How many posts on this are there gonna be?, and how many times do i keep having to say "dont be a jew and just buy it!"
I think that was a missed mistake by the programmers. Notice the flashbang is the only SF item in regular games. That's because flash bangs practically overwrite the smoke grenades for SF people.philbymaris wrote:
G day peoples...
I personally think that people with the expansion have an unfair advantage to those people like me who cant afford to go out and buy new shit the day it comes out.... meaning SF expansion in this case... i was playing and killing like usual then all of a sudden everything went white i couldnt see fuck all (flashed).. of course i was running around like a blind man on valium and i got killed... i personally think that people with SF shouldnt mix with us povety stricken bastards and they should have individual servers for SF and BF2 (if you own SF you cant access the new weapons on BF2 servers) let SF players play against their own and leave us alone.....
philbymaris
Wow...that's damn racist...(EUS)Gen.BadSnipaDay wrote:
How many posts on this are there gonna be?, and how many times do i keep having to say "dont be a jew and just buy it!"
I had my best offensive round this am without my unlocks, just a plain old AK-101. Don't know why...I've had more kills on longer maps, but never a full server in Karkhole as a SpecOps and Assault. I had almost a 3:1 K/D ratio (40 kills, 14 deaths), which I KNOW others will scoff at. I've had a better K/D, but never combined with 40 kills (my best K/D was 25:1 on Karkhole as a sniper).
What I'm trying to illustrate is that I was keeping up with the Jones's just fine with my little ole AK-101. About the only weapon that's "unfair" might be the medic upgrade as the G36E is an outstanding weapon...
I haven't been getting my ass handed to me any more than I usually would against soldiers with the SF unlocks. As far as I have seen they are nothing special. I haven't been able to us them against other people yet since I haven't bought the expansion. Although I did find the medic unlock once I failed to notice a grenade on the ground behind me and the experience was very shortlived.
Weapon Stats. Ask and yee shall receive.
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Enjoy
Let me add I wish I could unlock the MP-7 WITHOUT unlocking the MK3A1 (Jackhammer).
Either go to this post: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=5955
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Enjoy
Let me add I wish I could unlock the MP-7 WITHOUT unlocking the MK3A1 (Jackhammer).
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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
well i had a look at a few stats comparing the SF with Bf2 weaponry, and yes there are some differences in the power and accuracy of the weaponry, i still think with the expection of the AK range that generally the SF weapons are better...
So points have been spoken, and most think that there is no unfair advantage what so ever, and others think there are, so what is the unanimous train of thought.
philbymaris
So points have been spoken, and most think that there is no unfair advantage what so ever, and others think there are, so what is the unanimous train of thought.
philbymaris
Judaism isn't a race, it's a religion. There are Jews of every race I can think of.Wow...that's damn racist...
I haven't bought SF yet, but I hope to get it for Christmas. When SF first came out, I was a bit worried about the
game becoming imbalanced by the people who have SF. In my case, this hasn't happened. I don't feel that I have been killed by people with SF unlocks any more than people without. The only SF unlock I've tried is the F2000; I picked it up off a guy I wasted. I could tell it is more powerful but less accurate then the standard assault guns. I did like the scope, though.
I have only been flashed once. That sux. I must say that the flashbang is something they should have left out of vanilla BF2. As for the actual gun unlocks, I can't wait until I get SF so I can really try them out!
game becoming imbalanced by the people who have SF. In my case, this hasn't happened. I don't feel that I have been killed by people with SF unlocks any more than people without. The only SF unlock I've tried is the F2000; I picked it up off a guy I wasted. I could tell it is more powerful but less accurate then the standard assault guns. I did like the scope, though.
I have only been flashed once. That sux. I must say that the flashbang is something they should have left out of vanilla BF2. As for the actual gun unlocks, I can't wait until I get SF so I can really try them out!
I used to think it was unfair, but as my time playing has progressed (and I bought the bf2sf upgrade) i really don't think theres a difference. With the exception of flashbangs, the guns are just guns, and if theyre more powerful so be it. The power can be reduced by a player having crap accuracy, in which case the gun is pointless to him. If me and my SCAR-L are spraying bullets and you, and you have your L85A1 on single shot, you can probably waste me much faster if my accuracy is bad.
My solution? Suck it up and practice. The guns don't make the player - if a player is good, his shots will be well placed, and if he has a powerful weapon it doesn't make that much of a difference - he just saves bullets wasting your ass.
My solution? Suck it up and practice. The guns don't make the player - if a player is good, his shots will be well placed, and if he has a powerful weapon it doesn't make that much of a difference - he just saves bullets wasting your ass.
Your solution is neither valid nor logical. Two players of equal skill, one with a better weapon, the one with the better weapon will win, excluding anything like luck in the equation. There is no refuting this. Both assault rifles and the SCAR-L are direct upgrades. This is not refutable now either, now that ubar is reporting their stats.My solution? Suck it up and practice. The guns don't make the player - if a player is good, his shots will be well placed, and if he has a powerful weapon it doesn't make that much of a difference - he just saves bullets wasting your ass.
Less bullets is what this game is all about. With the M16, I had to hit 4 triples to kill an assault. It's now down to 3 with the G36E (or C or whatever it's called). That extra triple can mean the difference between him being able to react to let loose that noob tube of his, or him having the nanosecond needed to get a luck headshot. Gun efficiency is a HUGE deal in BF2, and trying to deny it is just wrong.
Ok, you just contradicted yourself. First off, you can't exclude luck at all. Period. There are times when even my uber 1337 computer decides to stutter a little bit when I'm playing and boom, I'm dead. Also, when you're firing on full auto, most of your shots don't hit the target. Most people playing this game have an accuracy of around 20%. Taking away something as accurate as the pistol, I'm willing to say that when you have a fully automatic weapon or a three shot burst weapon, if you're firing like crazy most of yours shots are NOT going to hit the enemy. Except for the, oh, "luck headshot" you speak of.Sud wrote:
Your solution is neither valid nor logical. Two players of equal skill, one with a better weapon, the one with the better weapon will win, excluding anything like luck in the equation. There is no refuting this. Both assault rifles and the SCAR-L are direct upgrades. This is not refutable now either, now that ubar is reporting their stats.My solution? Suck it up and practice. The guns don't make the player - if a player is good, his shots will be well placed, and if he has a powerful weapon it doesn't make that much of a difference - he just saves bullets wasting your ass.
Less bullets is what this game is all about. With the M16, I had to hit 4 triples to kill an assault. It's now down to 3 with the G36E (or C or whatever it's called). That extra triple can mean the difference between him being able to react to let loose that noob tube of his, or him having the nanosecond needed to get a luck headshot. Gun efficiency is a HUGE deal in BF2, and trying to deny it is just wrong.
Now if you use the analogy that everyone is running around with single shot on, then yes the weapons may be unfair, but thats only if two people of exact equal skill are fighting and they both have the exact accuracy, where the only difference is the rifle itself. Besides, how often do two people with the exact same skill, accuracy, circumstances, WEAPONS CLASS, and weapons class UPGRADE come into battle per game? I know I don't hunt down the exact same guy every minute of every round. There are people that I am better than, and people who are better than me, 'nuff said. I'm not refuting that the weapons are a direct upgrade or that they are more powerful, all I'm saying is that there are ways to combat this, and the guns aren't so overpowered that they're unbearable.
Furthermore, if you want to say the guns themselves are unfair because it's an update, than the entire unlock system is unfair. Whats the difference between a 16 year old guy with no job sitting at home playing an average of 6 hours a day and racking up points getting all the unlocks, and a 30 year old guy with a job and 2 kids who maybe plays 1-2 hours a week buying the update? There isn't one. Even inter-kits are different. Before BF2SF came out, the L85A1 was better than the AK101, M16. More powerful. The G3 is MUCH more powerful AND accurate than the M16, albeit with a smaller clip. If you don't have the time to whore the game and get points, then not having these kits is going to be unfair to you. But hey, if you DO kill him you can pick up his kit...
Don't take this as a personal attack man - I'm just tryin to introduce what my logic is
And that is why in the end... Knife = teh win.
Alpha as fuck.
i think the new weapons are to laugh with....i,m a BF2 player i didnt buy BF2SF cause i dont like it.
about the advantages some peeps are whining about lets see....
Flashbang : since i played BF2 1.12 i noticed i got flashed the first time its not killing ya, some dumb fucks throw'em like nades they expect it flashes people to death i just hit cover and wait untill i see something...and when i,m flashed when the dumb ass flasbang thrower stand in front of me we were blind at te same time...well he had a F2000 .....and i had a PKM well.....i just start spraying and killed him when i was blinded..so about flashbangers well most people uses them on the wrong way so i,m not afraid of it.
G36E = well i had that gun for a couple of times...well 1 burst good aimed kills the enemy....well i with a AK101 can kill a person in a single shot. and the M16A2 being slower in a 3 burst mode....who cares i still kill G36E medics most of the time.
F2000 = well i dont like the gun.....i prefer an AK101 or M16A2(not because its tubed) even the G3 better then the F2000
Scar-L = well thats the nice gun , good scope and good damage. but i have the M4 and still can beat the crap outta people
MG36 = also very nice. but i have the BF2 PKM and i mostly lie down on a good spot and shoot down 5 people at the time and then i wait for the suicide medics to come in...so i prefer the PKM above the MG36
so i dont understand people are whining about them unlocks or advantages...because i like the AK101, M16a2 and the M4. and my PKM (Personal Killing Machine )
about the advantages some peeps are whining about lets see....
Flashbang : since i played BF2 1.12 i noticed i got flashed the first time its not killing ya, some dumb fucks throw'em like nades they expect it flashes people to death i just hit cover and wait untill i see something...and when i,m flashed when the dumb ass flasbang thrower stand in front of me we were blind at te same time...well he had a F2000 .....and i had a PKM well.....i just start spraying and killed him when i was blinded..so about flashbangers well most people uses them on the wrong way so i,m not afraid of it.
G36E = well i had that gun for a couple of times...well 1 burst good aimed kills the enemy....well i with a AK101 can kill a person in a single shot. and the M16A2 being slower in a 3 burst mode....who cares i still kill G36E medics most of the time.
F2000 = well i dont like the gun.....i prefer an AK101 or M16A2(not because its tubed) even the G3 better then the F2000
Scar-L = well thats the nice gun , good scope and good damage. but i have the M4 and still can beat the crap outta people
MG36 = also very nice. but i have the BF2 PKM and i mostly lie down on a good spot and shoot down 5 people at the time and then i wait for the suicide medics to come in...so i prefer the PKM above the MG36
so i dont understand people are whining about them unlocks or advantages...because i like the AK101, M16a2 and the M4. and my PKM (Personal Killing Machine )