masterHouse
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dobbs wrote:

bs6749 wrote:

TehSeraphim wrote:

I'm gonna do to this thread what I did to the "there is no such thing as bunny hopping" thread.

Blah blah blah, needs more power, blah blah blah, not realistic.

If you want realism, play Americas Army - it's free to download and play.  The rifles are heavy and you can't run very fast with them, you run slower when you're wounded, you bleed to death if you don't get healed by a medic, and you don't come back to life.

Battlefield 2 is for fun, and although there are realistic aspects to the game, the overall feel is that of one that is unrealistic - shock paddles don't heal bullet riddled bodies.  If the m95 were realistic, if any of you shot someone in the game, realistically you would be put in prison for violating the geneva convention. 

This topic has now passed away.  Time of death, 2:25 PM EST.  Cause of death - beaten to death.  Thank you.
You obviously didn't read the earlier post where an actual member of the armed forces stated that it is not against the GC to shoot people with 50.cal ammo as he and his buddies do it all the time to prevent mortar attacks. If it were, he and his buddies would be prosecuted. Where did you come up with this idea that it is illegal? After all what are the .50 cals mounted on humvees for as he pointed out? To take out tanks? I don't think so. Trucks and such? Most likely. And what are the chances that a bullet from this gun will not hit a person inside when these trucks and such are shot at? Do you think the gunner is thinking "I can't aim for the driver of the truck because of the GC, so I had better take out the engine and hope that my scuad members outside the humvee are able to take out the three dudes in the back of the truck that are holding RPG's." BULLSHIT. Don't try to convince me and everyone else on hear that you know something about the GC. And as far as I am concerned this post is not dead, but waiting to respawn. 15...14...13...
Dobbs773:  Clear!

Dobbs773:  You'll live buddy, now get back in the fight!

Thanks BS6749....  I'm headin' to Iraq in January.  Gonna go break some more GC laws!
Deedubya
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+-2|7226|The Seventh Circle of Hell
I work with a guy that owns an M99. It's the single-load version of the M95. Anyway, he went deer hunting with that thing once a while back. While he was waiting in his tree-stand, he spotted a turkey about 700 meters away. Now, it wasn't turkey season, but he was going to England for 3 years, so he didn't care. He pulled out the M99, took aim, and let a round go. He didn't see the turkey anymore after he shot, so he figured he missed and scared it away. After awhile, he and his uncle went to go check on some other hunters in the area. As they were walking, his uncle came across the carcass of the turkey my co-worker shot! It was oh, about 50 feet from where he shot it, and its head was gone. Completely gone. So, he didn't miss at all AND scored a headshot to boot. Now think about it. A headshot to a turkey, which aren't small birds, and it flung it about 50 feet after taking its head off. To say, in real life, the M-family of Barrett guns are nothing to sneeze at, but if you're going to have it in a game, you have to balance it somehow. If you want BF2 to become more like Counter-strike with its Arctic Warfare, then I say quit now, and go play CS. Because if they change the M95 at all, it's going to be sniper-city. Everyone will be a sniper anymore because you'll get one shot kills regardless of where you hit a person. I say leave it. If anything, lower the damage of the M24, and raise the accuracy of the M95 equivelant to the M24. And of course keep the glass penetrating property of the M95. That's just my two cents.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7204|Great Brown North

ghostgr wrote:

#1 It is against international law (geneva convention) to shoot any human at all with a 50 rifle unless through armor or walls.

#2 I totally agree with you! needs more power! WAY too weak for a 50 cal I shot one before and they gots lots and lots and lots and lots and etc. power.
#1 snipers regularly shoot people with .50 rifles


#2 im somewhat satisfied with the m95, i would like to see it more accurate though
Chngster
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+0|7137
The deviation for the M95 for a prone position only should be reduced in the next patch.  Very frustrating to do test fire on a selected piece of an chopper cockpit from 100m away, and see the glass crack in random spots.

It is after all meant to be an unlockable special weapon, not something less than the M24. 

At the same time I think the (?)sec "settling time" should be increased (vis a vis the M24) to compensate for greater accuracy.
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7209|Perth, Western Australia
More powerful m95 would make it like ut2004s instagib mode
StikeZero
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+0|7136
I don't think the rifle should be more powerful, i mean going through "Bulletproof" glass, I think that is enough
Zimmer
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+1,688|7180|Scotland

i dont need more power in the sniper rifles.
first of all because i hate the m95. accuracy sucks and when are you going to shoot through glass???
and second i use the m24 i dont need any better sniper as most of the shots i take go straight to the head.

perfect. headshot kills so i dont need to worry about snipers being more powerfull.
Rizen_Ji
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+41|7160|200m out and smiling at you.
actually i find it quite useful to shoot through glass... I mean before I used the 95 i played PLA and MEC almost exclusively so I'm quite used to the accuracy of the SVD and Type 88 so the extra power to the 95 was quite welcomed. Anyways I find it quite helpful to be able to shoot out drivers that are trying to run me over or a stupid group of people thinking they're safe and then i shoot out the driver they wonder where he went and realize he's dead only to switch seats and die themselves.
Diddy_Bongo
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+0|7143
If more damage was added to the M95 then we might as well just go and play Novalogics Joint Operations as thats just a sniper fest anyway.
Zimmer
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+1,688|7180|Scotland

Diddy_Bongo wrote:

If more damage was added to the M95 then we might as well just go and play Novalogics Joint Operations as thats just a sniper fest anyway.
more damge and a better reticule..... half the time youre trying to aim at a guy far away and you cant because the black line is too thick so you miss. also the accuracy improve that as well.... so many changes you want to take place why not just make a new sniper rifle. thats why i always choose the m24 and the guys that play sniper and have skill as being a sniper will tell you the m24 is just better overall. what are you going to be taking out vehicles or infantry. answer that question and youll know what sniper rifle you need.

p.s dont make the comment... "what about infantry in vehicles?????" ohh yeah since when are you concentrating on taking out a guy in a vehicle except for when hes trying to run you over.
gunnaboy
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+26|7142
Practice makes perfect!!!! Does need a better scope though!! lol
bs6749
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+3|7168
What half of the people that have replied to this thread are seemingly forgetting is the long reload time of the M24 compared to the MEC/PLA semi-auto sniper rifles. You can fire off 2-5 shots or so on a target each with 45 damage. Say all of the shots hit...225 damage. I am assuming that you realize that 100 damage kills. So this means that 2.25 people (or at least one person to say safely) can be killed with a MEC/PLA sniper rifle before a second shot is even fired by an M24. You might argue that not all of the shots will hit the intended target, which I will agree with, but at least 2 shots of these 5 should (90 damage). If you can't hit 2-3 times at least out of 5 then you have no business IMHO of attempting to be a sniper and therefore no right to complain about the kit weapons.
With this stated it should now be PERFECTLY CLEAR to all of you morons that want to "weaken" the M24 to compensate for the "lack of power" in the M95 that this wuld be the wrong thing to do as it would not only favor the M95, but the MEC/PLA sniper rifles as well. And remember, an unlock is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE a "better weapon." It is merely an alternate choice for a player to have. One final thought is that snipers should be able to kill with one hit...a headshot. If you don't have this skill I suggest that you practice instead of complaining about the current inventory of weaponry provided by EA/DICE or whoever.
Zimmer
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+1,688|7180|Scotland

bs6749 wrote:

What half of the people that have replied to this thread are seemingly forgetting is the long reload time of the M24 compared to the MEC/PLA semi-auto sniper rifles. You can fire off 2-5 shots or so on a target each with 45 damage. Say all of the shots hit...225 damage. I am assuming that you realize that 100 damage kills. So this means that 2.25 people (or at least one person to say safely) can be killed with a MEC/PLA sniper rifle before a second shot is even fired by an M24. You might argue that not all of the shots will hit the intended target, which I will agree with, but at least 2 shots of these 5 should (90 damage). If you can't hit 2-3 times at least out of 5 then you have no business IMHO of attempting to be a sniper and therefore no right to complain about the kit weapons.
With this stated it should now be PERFECTLY CLEAR to all of you morons that want to "weaken" the M24 to compensate for the "lack of power" in the M95 that this wuld be the wrong thing to do as it would not only favor the M95, but the MEC/PLA sniper rifles as well. And remember, an unlock is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE a "better weapon." It is merely an alternate choice for a player to have. One final thought is that snipers should be able to kill with one hit...a headshot. If you don't have this skill I suggest that you practice instead of complaining about the current inventory of weaponry provided by EA/DICE or whoever.
you are wrong because the further away you are shooting with the MEC/PLA sniper rifles. the less damage it gives. ive used them quite a lot. they are very good if the enemy is not far away from you as you can quickly fill him with lead in the torso killing im without a problem. but the m24 is another story. headshots kill right??? yes they do and as for the m24, the accuracy makes up for the slow reload and single shot system. if you are picking off targets at a distance. and youre a GOOD sniper!!!! then you will choose the m24. yes the other sniper rifles still allow you to pick off targets from far away you will see theyre not so effective. a sniper should always be far away from their enemies so the m24 is the best choice.

here is a quote from wiki "They are very accurate weapons, but not as accurate or damaging as the M24, especially at longer ranges, though long range shots are still quite possible. Rapid-firing an SVD/Type 88 incurs very harsh accuracy and recoil penalties, (making them less accurate than an AK-47 after the second shot!) so it is best to pause a moment between each shot whenever possible. "

you see you need to wait for a steady arm before you can shoot as for the m24 shot after shot youre accuracy will not fail.
bs6749
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+3|7168

zimmer92 wrote:

bs6749 wrote:

What half of the people that have replied to this thread are seemingly forgetting is the long reload time of the M24 compared to the MEC/PLA semi-auto sniper rifles. You can fire off 2-5 shots or so on a target each with 45 damage. Say all of the shots hit...225 damage. I am assuming that you realize that 100 damage kills. So this means that 2.25 people (or at least one person to say safely) can be killed with a MEC/PLA sniper rifle before a second shot is even fired by an M24. You might argue that not all of the shots will hit the intended target, which I will agree with, but at least 2 shots of these 5 should (90 damage). If you can't hit 2-3 times at least out of 5 then you have no business IMHO of attempting to be a sniper and therefore no right to complain about the kit weapons.
With this stated it should now be PERFECTLY CLEAR to all of you morons that want to "weaken" the M24 to compensate for the "lack of power" in the M95 that this wuld be the wrong thing to do as it would not only favor the M95, but the MEC/PLA sniper rifles as well. And remember, an unlock is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE a "better weapon." It is merely an alternate choice for a player to have. One final thought is that snipers should be able to kill with one hit...a headshot. If you don't have this skill I suggest that you practice instead of complaining about the current inventory of weaponry provided by EA/DICE or whoever.
you are wrong because the further away you are shooting with the MEC/PLA sniper rifles. the less damage it gives. ive used them quite a lot. they are very good if the enemy is not far away from you as you can quickly fill him with lead in the torso killing im without a problem. but the m24 is another story. headshots kill right??? yes they do and as for the m24, the accuracy makes up for the slow reload and single shot system. if you are picking off targets at a distance. and youre a GOOD sniper!!!! then you will choose the m24. yes the other sniper rifles still allow you to pick off targets from far away you will see theyre not so effective. a sniper should always be far away from their enemies so the m24 is the best choice.

here is a quote from wiki "They are very accurate weapons, but not as accurate or damaging as the M24, especially at longer ranges, though long range shots are still quite possible. Rapid-firing an SVD/Type 88 incurs very harsh accuracy and recoil penalties, (making them less accurate than an AK-47 after the second shot!) so it is best to pause a moment between each shot whenever possible. "

you see you need to wait for a steady arm before you can shoot as for the m24 shot after shot youre accuracy will not fail.
They may be less accurate than the M24 but I don't believe that there is a single gun in the game where it's bullet does less damage at a longer range than a short range. If this were true I would expect the extra 2 bars of health to come off of someone if they were hit by an M24 or M95 within 10 meters in the torso. We all know that this does not happen so it can't be true. The bullet from the SVD/Type88 is simply hitting torso, legs or arms instead of the head, which gives an instant kill when achieved.
arnica
Member
+18|7104|Sydney

philbymaris wrote:

Has anyone ever seen the destruction a 50 cal sniper rifle does to the head of an enemy.....i have so that now leads me to this topic, they want realism in this game and i personally think the 50 cal needs more power... hell it should take their heads clean off, it did in the photo i seen....not bring em down to 2 bars...

MORE POWER NEEDED....

Philbymaris

PS the site i seen the photo if ya interested is link removed (tsk tsk, naughty site ), and have a look in the war archives
You've just got to learn to aim for the head mate .... no use complaining that it aint powerful enough.
Emetchar
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+0|7136
Snipers are one of the more balanced things in this game, please keep them the way they are.

You need to keep in mind that the goal wasn't realism, it was to make a fun game. If you want realistic I hear the pentagon is itching for new recruits. :p
P3R3K
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+0|7104

zimmer92 wrote:

Diddy_Bongo wrote:

If more damage was added to the M95 then we might as well just go and play Novalogics Joint Operations as thats just a sniper fest anyway.
more damge and a better reticule..... half the time youre trying to aim at a guy far away and you cant because the black line is too thick so you miss. also the accuracy improve that as well.... so many changes you want to take place why not just make a new sniper rifle. thats why i always choose the m24 and the guys that play sniper and have skill as being a sniper will tell you the m24 is just better overall. what are you going to be taking out vehicles or infantry. answer that question and youll know what sniper rifle you need.

p.s dont make the comment... "what about infantry in vehicles?????" ohh yeah since when are you concentrating on taking out a guy in a vehicle except for when hes trying to run you over.
I almost exclusivly use the M95 even when I am on USMC, for multiple reasons. I can say in the 2 days I have had the M95 unlocked I had taken out 5 helis that were flying, and scared the shit out of about 3-4 more pilots who i missed my headshot on. Theres nothing like an unexpected M95 shot to strike fear in a pilot. Also a well placed sniper in Gulf of Oman can completely shut down air operations. Plus I like to know for a fact that when I hit my target, NO MATTER WHAT they only have one bar left and all i need is 1 single shot from my pistol to take them out.
rebelhonor
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+-1|7123|Alabama
sites for some of you to read in case you wondering what the gun really is and does (info only no after images)

1)"m95" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn03-e.htm
2)"m24" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn11-e.htm .... should be "m40" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn11-e.htm
3)"SVD" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn18-e.htm
4)"QBU-88" (type 88) http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn68-e.htm

now in my experience the most accurate cartridge out of all the sniper rifles is the 7.62x51 (.308) it shoots flat and is more aerodynamically stable than the others. The accuracy of .50caliber round is horrible even in real life. 671 Grains = 43.4808 Grams = .11pounds moving at 3000 f/s thats a massive amount of weight to push though the air. the round is about as big as your thumb with more weight.  so the 1km-2km confirmed kills are extremely rare and it takes a trained professional to make that kinda shot the average police sniper shoots 2,000 rds per month to keep his skill level.  as for my background in guns i have shot almost every type of gun legal and some not and as far as sniper rifles i own 3 remington 700 .308 ,"SVD", and remington 710 .30-06. and the two remingtons ar far more accruate at distance than the SVD. sorry got off topic. the M95 is a devistating weapon that is used for anti-personel, anit-light armor. i have seen videos of this weapon in action on soft targets and let me tell you its a mess delevering 1100 pounds of force per inch on a human body is like a hot knife through butter. i think the only thing that needs to happen to the m95 is to add a dman better scope cuz that little 5x or whatever thing is on it just doesnt cut it, it needs a 10x min. the m24 does need to be weakend and the svd and type 88 need more power,  becasue the rounds are .001-.002 laeger than the .308 (really doesnt matter). just figured i would throw those sites out there for ppl if they wanted the real low down on the weapons of BF2

P.S. the jackhammer is a real gun.... sweet huh!

=FuB= REBEL_HONOR
Sh4rkb1t3
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+6|7109
I disagree.  The last thing BF2 needs is an AWP rifle.
Esker
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+1|7151
None of the weapons or vehicles behave like their real life counterparts. The fact is BF2 is a game and certain changes were made to keep the game more balanced. The M95 should be taken out and replaced with a different rifle in a bid to end these "The M95 isn't as powerful as it should be etc" kind of arguments.
bs6749
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+3|7168

rebelhonor wrote:

sites for some of you to read in case you wondering what the gun really is and does (info only no after images)

1)"m95" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn03-e.htm
2)"m24" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn11-e.htm .... should be "m40" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn11-e.htm
3)"SVD" http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn18-e.htm
4)"QBU-88" (type 88) http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn68-e.htm

now in my experience the most accurate cartridge out of all the sniper rifles is the 7.62x51 (.308) it shoots flat and is more aerodynamically stable than the others. The accuracy of .50caliber round is horrible even in real life. 671 Grains = 43.4808 Grams = .11pounds moving at 3000 f/s thats a massive amount of weight to push though the air. the round is about as big as your thumb with more weight.  so the 1km-2km confirmed kills are extremely rare and it takes a trained professional to make that kinda shot the average police sniper shoots 2,000 rds per month to keep his skill level.  as for my background in guns i have shot almost every type of gun legal and some not and as far as sniper rifles i own 3 remington 700 .308 ,"SVD", and remington 710 .30-06. and the two remingtons ar far more accruate at distance than the SVD. sorry got off topic. the M95 is a devistating weapon that is used for anti-personel, anit-light armor. i have seen videos of this weapon in action on soft targets and let me tell you its a mess delevering 1100 pounds of force per inch on a human body is like a hot knife through butter. i think the only thing that needs to happen to the m95 is to add a dman better scope cuz that little 5x or whatever thing is on it just doesnt cut it, it needs a 10x min. the m24 does need to be weakend and the svd and type 88 need more power,  becasue the rounds are .001-.002 laeger than the .308 (really doesnt matter). just figured i would throw those sites out there for ppl if they wanted the real low down on the weapons of BF2

P.S. the jackhammer is a real gun.... sweet huh!

=FuB= REBEL_HONOR
Sorry, I had to laugh when you said that the .50 cal round is horribly inaccurate in real life. But then I remembered reading something that could prove you wrong in your statement. Here is the link. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn54-e.htm Look familiar? It is from the EXACT SAME website that you gave for all of your links. And what do they say? Read the first paragraph. It basically says that the M99 (single shot version of the M95) was used by an expert marksman to set a WORLD RECORD in 2001. What kind of record you ask? Well he had the WORLD'S SMALLEST GROUPING (ever recorded). He put 5 shots in a 4" group at 1000 meters. Now I am not certain exactly how big in inches the diameter of a .50 cal truly is, but I can say that these rounds are huge compared to a .308 WIN. And just because the rounds are larger (SVD compared to M24) doesn't mean that they pack as much force, which in turn means more damage,  because they might have less powder or a less explosive powder behind it. You must also consider factors such as barrel length, which may slow the speed of the bullet through friction. There are many factors that determine how well a shot is placed and the ammo is only a portion of the whole. I would say that the main factor is the weapon itself. It is even stated in the SVD link that you gave that the weapon was not intended to be a "pure" sniping weapon. This ~.308 cal weapon was designed to extend the range of the "common infantry". Once again to disprove your statement take my M99 example of 5 shots in a 4" group and compare it to your ~.308 cal SVD. I highly doubt that the same marksman that shot the smallest group with a .50 cal could pick up the SVD and accomplish the same thing at 700 meters. Your .308 cal bullet is not as accurate as the .50 cal in this case. Is it his fault? Of course not. It is the design of the weapon. With this said consider this next thought.
     Why does the M24 need to be weakened while the MEC/PLA rifles need to be strengthened? One headshot of any of these rifles is an instant kill and if this can't be achieved then sniping is not for you. As I must state again because idiots can't seem to understand: THE LONG RELOAD TIME OF THE M24/M95 IS MADE UP FOR BY THE HIGH DAMAGE DONE. THE MEC/PLA RIFLES DO LESS DAMAGE BECAUSE DOING AS MORE DAMAGE OR AS MUCH DAMAGE AS THE M24/M95 WOULD RESULT IN EVERYONE BEING A SNIPER AND SHOOTING LOADS OF AMMO AT THE ENEMY. That is NOT what sniping is about. Stop and think for a minute what would happen to the game if there was a medium range semi-auto sniper rifle introduced that had a 2 shot kill (no matter where the bullets hit). Everyone walking around killing each other with the new n00b tube as it would become because it would take little skill if any to kill someone. I think you get my point that the weapons were made the way the were in the game for a very good reason. Please use some common sense before posting next time. We don't want people on here to believe things that aren't true.
bs6749
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+3|7168

Esker wrote:

None of the weapons or vehicles behave like their real life counterparts. The fact is BF2 is a game and certain changes were made to keep the game more balanced. The M95 should be taken out and replaced with a different rifle in a bid to end these "The M95 isn't as powerful as it should be etc" kind of arguments.
Well said about it being a game but I disagree with taking it out of the game. Okay a few people don't like the M95. That is fine. I don't like it either. My advice...don't use it. That is not the solution to just get rid of something that a few people don't like. Then the M203 would be gone because of all of the so called n00b tubers. Then such and such would be taken out because it isn't as powerful as this gun or maybe the M16A2 should be taken out because it doesn't have full aut like the AK-47. How about the DAO-12. Should it be taken out because it is easy to kill with at close distances? There would be no weapons left in the game if everyone wanted something different taken out. Then we would all be left to play candyland as someone said earlier. In short: each weapon has its pros and cons. If you don't like a weapon then don't use it. Unlocks are NOT UPGRADES, they are merely alternate choices to your current inventory.

P.S. - I got dibbs on the blue piece.
*ToRRo*cT|
Spanish Sniper-Wh0re
+199|7168|Malaga, EspaƱa
''Has anyone ever seen the destruction a 50 cal sniper rifle does to the head of an enemy''

Dude, that's why i aim for the head to make sure they drop death, and they do ! always look if u aim at his Body or arm/leg parts..yeah dont expect him to drop death unless he has low health.

i,m pretty good with the M95, like this situation ''Upper Town @ Karkland , i spawn there and i hear a humvee coming , i see him coming straight at me...3 persons in it (u know the Gatehouse Rushers) , i aim for the driver first...i shoot...Death he is, aim for the gunner 1 shot and he's death..the passenger is stupid enought to pick the drivers position and i kill him straight away...al where headshots + 2 through armor glass...so i think the M95 is fairly powerfull to me, i make enough kills with it...the M24 i only use in Big maps (fushe, Dragon, Zatar, etc) because i shoot from long distances and i need the best accuracy there is.

M95 = Good For Citymaps (power, Transport vehicules)
M24 = Good For Open Maps (Accuracy)
Charmin
Member
+1|7117
after shooting all those guns i still preffer the chinese standard sniper whatever its called. Thin crosshairs, fairly accurate, and nicely semi auto.
If they were to give the .50 more power as to a one-shot-one-kill like the AWM in CS, they should replace the M95 not for the m82a1 like they use in that mod you could donwload, but the barrett model 99.
It would be most accurate due to the 32'' barrel, and a single shot would take up to 6 seconds to reload, to prevent all 64 players to run around with it.
MDW
Member
+43|7101|Dortmund, Germany
It would be nice if the M95 could cause damage against light vehicles or disable them when you hit the engine.
Such a powerful gun could normally take out a motor-block, I guess.

And to make it also LOOK powerful, enemies who are killed by the M95 could be thrown back for about 2-3 meters. Not instant-kill, but just to make it LOOK better...

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