GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7212

Ok I need a bit of help with a network related issue. I'm not very savvy with this sort of stuff. So I moved to Monterrey, Mexico recently and got cable internet for starters with the main service provider. I purchased their 512kbps plan and it's fine for most of my use, but lets be honest here, I could use some more speed.

My question is related to two things, gaming and general internet use. So first things first, what differences could I see by upgrading to a faster connection with my ISP in regards to gaming? My usual ping in servers is about 60ms, from which I can notice some (but not that much) difference compared to my 9ms back in Dallas. From what I understand, the ping really has to do with how fast information travels from me to game server and back. So am I right in thinking that even if I got a 10Mbit connection, there would be no noticable difference in latency? What differences can I expect going from 512Kbit to 1.5Kbit?

Now for general use. I download lots of data every day and I'm feeling a bit limited with my connection right now. iTunes TV shows are now between 400 and 900MB and they take me around 8 hrs each. If I opt for the 1.5Mbit connection, could I expect a good jump in speed? Or does the fact that I'm so far away from the main servers mean that there might be some bottleneck in the way that would limit my overall speed in the end? I'm guessing that I should be able to get good speeds by upgrading, but I'm curious what someone that knows about this sort of stuff would have to say about this.
EricTViking
Yes, I am Queeg
+48|7001|UK
Your ping wouldn't improve if you upped your bandwidth.

A 1.5 MBit connection would theoretically allow you to download 3x faster than 512k.
Trigger_Happy_92
Uses the TV missle too much
+394|7099
it overall depends on the distance and type of server your downloading from. i have 12mbit internet, but rarely download that fast. my usual download speed is around 800-1mbps. i sometimes get around 2mbps, but most servers wont let you download at 12mbps
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|7070|Mhz

Its connection type rather than connection speed that affects your ping, as long as your on that same piece of wire going through the same hardware then your ping will basically be the same, be it 0.5Mb cable or 10Mb cable Internet.
claor
Member
+39|6864|Australia
the ping WOULDENT improve with a faster connection
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7286
@ 512Kbit/sec, increasing your bandwidth will only help you download your music and movies faster but won't really help your "game latency".

If you want to test you real speed you use this:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?more=1


As for latency it's more related to the number of "hop" you need to reach the server you want to play on, the distance and the bandwidth available for that server.

Last edited by Buzerk1 (2006-10-11 17:30:09)

GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7212

Ok so that's what I figured... I'm stuck with 60 pings and 512 is enough to handle BF2.

Now just gotta try 1.5 and see if I can download stuff about 3x faster.
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7286

GotMex? wrote:

Ok so that's what I figured... I'm stuck with 60 pings and 512 is enough to handle BF2.

Now just gotta try 1.5 and see if I can download stuff about 3x faster.
You will have 3x faster only if the servers/torrent at the other end can do it. But overall if you have multiple download/torrent going you should easily get 2x faster. 3x faster would only be in "ideal" condition
Mad Ad
Member
+178|6960|England, UK
ping wont change with more bandwidh, nor will high ping (within reason) affect your download speed
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7031|SE London

There are many cases where more bandwidth will lead to better ping times, certainly on servers that are relatively nearby. It all depends on the connection. It is not simply a case of saying "as long as your on that same piece of wire going through the same hardware then your ping will basically be the same", because that simply isn't true, a lot of it is down to modulation techniques.

Bandwidth can affect ping, but won't necessarily. I recently changed from an 8Mbps connection to a 24Mbps connection. My ping times have improved considerably. Probably because it is a switch from ADSL to ADSL 2+, which doubles the speed to over 2MHz. This use of different technology to squeeze more out of lines is kind of different to just increasing the bandwidth.
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|6973|Little blue planet, milky way
As many people say "its the connection that determines bandwidth", and they are correct, but seeing as how you posted this in a TECH forum, you probably want to know why and how you cna change this.

Well, when you work on a traditional CABLE connection (as opposed to T1 or xDSL), you will find that the data transfer trough the lines are not only dependant on load from the other users in the same area as you, it may also depend on the quality of cable, AND the ISPs hardware and backbone. IMO getting a 60 ms ping on a CABLE connection isn't that bad (ofcourse I'm assuming it gets worse if you try for a server in Moscow as opposed to one in Tijuana). OTOH it isn't that GOOD either. Now upping your speed usually wont do you any good on a CABLE connection, because all you're getting is more bandwidth, this does not change the configuration or hardware facts. So what can you do ? Well, for one thing you can play around with your MTU settings. You see, a "ping" is a very small package, and having a huge package size means that your package will be bundled with "other stuff" when the compression alogrithms start. What algorithms you may ask. Well, your ISPs algorithms, you never see this. It's all hardware. So why will changing the MTU help you ? Because now you're REQUESTING smaller packages from the net, so you will be subject to less "overhead" when reciving a package. Ocourse SENDING one will only help you if you use your connection for OTHER stuff while gaming (like downloads, or a second PC, or using TS or something like that). Also you may want to fiddle around with your transmission windows. The default settings in verious windows versions are not impressive. Default settings for number of open network connections will also benefit from some fiddling, particularly in BF2, as for some reason the selector screen want sto ping every server you ever played on every time you log into your BF2 account (!)
If you dont know what a transmission window or an MTU setting is, then search on the net, you'll find lots of nice, and FREE little tools that will help you change these options, there's no need to go poking around in the registry.

Upgrading to a faster connection you say... Well, upgrading WOULD help if you upgraded to a different TYPE of connection. Obviously a dedicated digital line would be ideal (as opposed to cable which is not natively meant for the internet protocol transmission), however, when you say upgrade to 1.5 Mbit, I dont think you meant getting a T1 connection.

However, if you can get an xDSL connection, this can be good for you, particularly if you fiddle with the settings. Just be aware of a few things about xDSL. VDSL and ADSL2/2+ is VERY fast, but only by virtue of using several transmission frequencies and compressions at the same time. Thus a faster connection is usually not indicative of a better ping. HOWEVER, as cable techonology is somewhat OLDER than xDSL, you may find that your ISP has some newer hardware on his end serving the xDSL costumers, so you should actually get better ping in many cases. The same can be said of ADSL or VDSL over ADSL2/2+, the tech is newer, so usually you have better hardware on the other end.

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