Erkut.hv
Member
+124|7153|California
I have a few ideas about Officer ranks.

For 2nd Lieutenant up through Major: I think you should have a huge amount of squad leader time. The point of the officer ranks, I believe, is leading your soldiers. not being a tank whoring, helo whoring, etc....

For Lt. Col & Col: Time as commander. Lt. Col's are often field commanders, not directly involved in the action.

maybe even give Warrant Officer ranks for helo pilots.

I know these are US Army ranks, so a translation to USMC would be appreciated. I am not familiar with the Devil Dog ranks, except for having like 17 diferent types or sargeants. Semper Fi you maniacs!

Anyhow, just a thought to make the game a little more interesting.
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7135|Riva, MD
Yeah, more ranks would be pretty cool.
Ryan_Mercury
"It's Recharging!"
+19|7238
Yeah? You and everyone else buddy! Try searching next time, there's plenty of threads covering this area. And this should be in the BF2 - Improvements section.

While the Marines have Warrant Officers, their more respected in a sense than Warrant Officers in the Army. Generally speaking, there's alot less of them in the Marines than other Departments, and the time in service requirement is also higher, so their more experienced before going that route. I don't know all of it, but there's a history behind them as well, and they are called Cheif Warra.nt Officers instead of Warrant Officers

There's the same 5 ranks also, which slightly vary from those of the Army and Airforce.

And as far as '17' go, it's all about the Pay Grade and duty positions which seperate them, although they are the same in terms of 'rank' sense. Here's a side by side comarison of the Army and Marines:

Code:

Pay Grade ---- Army -------------------------- Marines-----------

E1               Private (No Insignia)              Private (No Insignia)
E2               Private                                  Private First Class
E3               Private First Class                  Lance Corporal
E4               Specialist/Corporal                Corporal
E5               Sergeant                              Sergeant
E6               Staff Sergeant                      Staff Sergeant
E7               Sergeant First Class              Gunnery Sergeant
E8           Master Sergeant/First Sergeant   Master Sergeant/First Sergeant
E9           Sgt Major/Cmd Sgt Major/SMA    Sgt. Major/Master Gunnery Segeant/Sgt. Maj. of the Corps
So again, their all equal essentially, just different names and duty positions for the different Pay Grade ranks.

Though Warrant Officers here would be something I would save for much later after the fact of normal Officers.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7238
the bf2 rank curve is so fucked. 1-50k, then 200k.... what the hell kind of progression is that? would you play an RPG that made you gring XP for a whole year to gain one level?

we don't need more ranks, we need better distributed ranks.
Ryan_Mercury
"It's Recharging!"
+19|7238

Krappyappy wrote:

the bf2 rank curve is so fucked. 1-50k, then 200k.... what the hell kind of progression is that? would you play an RPG that made you gring XP for a whole year to gain one level?

we don't need more ranks, we need better distributed ranks.
Well as of now, 2nd Lt is the last achivable rank. There are other Officer icons in the game files, but due to time constraints they didn't finish it, and they took out 2nd Lt and added it, thinking no one would reach that high in so short of time..

https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1889/unfinished6fb.th.jpg

Heres a shot of them, as you can see they dont have a 'larger' display view, just the in-game ones next to the name. Though its funny they left out 2nd Lt, Captains, Majors and Lt. Colonels.

Last edited by Ryan_Mercury (2005-12-16 11:47:47)

BlackLegion42
Damn Command and Conquer Generals...
+62|7148|Rochester, NY
They are missing a Major, Capt. and 1st Lt badges.
Ryan_Mercury
"It's Recharging!"
+19|7238

BlackLegion42 wrote:

They are missing a Major, Capt. and 1st Lt badges.
If you read the post above yours I already mentioned it.. and .. its 2nd Lt, Capt. Maj, LtC and they're RANKS not badges.
dobbs
Pawtucket Patriot
+0|7169|Cohog, RI

Ryan_Mercury wrote:

BlackLegion42 wrote:

They are missing a Major, Capt. and 1st Lt badges.
If you read the post above yours I already mentioned it.. and .. its 2nd Lt, Capt. Maj, LtC and they're RANKS not badges.
No he was right, they are missing 1LT, Capt, Maj, and LTCol

it goes

2LT
1LT
Capt
Maj
LtCol
Col
BGen
MGen
LGen
Gen

And there is no 5 star gen in the USMC so whats up with that????
BlackLegion42
Damn Command and Conquer Generals...
+62|7148|Rochester, NY
Sorry RANKS!!! Geez...
Crypto_420
Member
+25|7261|Portland
There is a 5 star rank in the navy,  know as fleet admrial of the navy.   A marine has never held this postion before,  but there is no where saying it couldnt be done,  considering the marine corps is a department of the navy.  Just like there are 2 marine corps Blue Angle pilots.  Considering there has only been   (i dont know the exacte amount but I do know is fewer than 5 people ever to hold a 5 star rank.  The only time there can be a 5 star rank is under war time,  And the last time the us has delcared war was in WWII

Last edited by Crypto_420 (2005-12-16 14:04:32)

-I4nI- Jaiden
Member
+0|7153|Las Vegas
I belive that the 5 star general rank is the president... i think. dont quote me on it. I agree with this completly, the gap between gunnery seargent and master/first is pretty big compared to the gaps inbetween the other lower ranks. And in my eyes, the gap between master/first and mastergun/sgmajor is practically unsermountable. I've been playing since august and i have about 25k points, some of you may say that i'm just a n00b or something, but i have a life outside bf2 and cant play all day. I think they should incorperate officer ranks and lower the point requirements for first seargent, seargent major, and 2nd lt. i also think that on the side there should be more than just point requirements, there should be some sort of ratio or set point minimum for combat/teamwork points. I dont think it's fair that Blazin.uk just goes around reviving people all the time and killing a couple people here and there (i've played with him) and he's the top ranking soldier. the fact that all he does is play medic on practically the same 2-3 maps all day every day is just pathetic, i think you should be able to obtain the higher ranks by using most or all aspects of the game instead of just one kit all the time.
irenicus999
Member
+0|7161

-I4nI- Jaiden wrote:

I belive that the 5 star general rank is the president... i think. dont quote me on it. I agree with this completly, the gap between gunnery seargent and master/first is pretty big compared to the gaps inbetween the other lower ranks. And in my eyes, the gap between master/first and mastergun/sgmajor is practically unsermountable. I've been playing since august and i have about 25k points, some of you may say that i'm just a n00b or something, but i have a life outside bf2 and cant play all day. I think they should incorperate officer ranks and lower the point requirements for first seargent, seargent major, and 2nd lt. i also think that on the side there should be more than just point requirements, there should be some sort of ratio or set point minimum for combat/teamwork points. I dont think it's fair that Blazin.uk just goes around reviving people all the time and killing a couple people here and there (i've played with him) and he's the top ranking soldier. the fact that all he does is play medic on practically the same 2-3 maps all day every day is just pathetic, i think you should be able to obtain the higher ranks by using most or all aspects of the game instead of just one kit all the time.
The president is the commander-in-chief, not a 5 star general.  I disagree about Blazin.uk.  I don't it is pathetic.  He plays for points while other people play for fun.  I'm sure to him it is the same thing.  You have the same opportunity to go around reviving people all the time and killing a couple people here and there.  He does have a high score per minute and helps his team by keeping people in the fight.  He deserves to be the top ranking soldier.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7238

Ryan_Mercury wrote:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1889 … 6fb.th.jpg

Heres a shot of them, as you can see they dont have a 'larger' display view, just the in-game ones next to the name.
what are the last two, which are higherthan the 5 star general?
-I4nI- Jaiden
Member
+0|7153|Las Vegas
Ok thanks, wasnt sure. Well you have a good point, but just in my opinion I just dont think he deserves it, not that it'll be changed anyway, i was just using him as an example.
ScreamingJay
Member
+1|7163

Crypto_420 wrote:

There is a 5 star rank in the navy,  know as fleet admrial of the navy.   A marine has never held this postion before,  but there is no where saying it couldnt be done,  considering the marine corps is a department of the navy.
Is this true? The Marine Corps is a seperate branch of the Armed Services, isn't it? General Peter Pace of the USMC is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. How can the chair of the JCS be from USMC when it is a dept. of the Navy?
-I4nI- Jaiden
Member
+0|7153|Las Vegas
Yea i belive that the marines are a seperate branch just like the army, air force, and such. there are 5 sides to the pentagon for that reason, army, navy, air force, marines, executive.
ScreamingJay
Member
+1|7163
Just found this on Wikipedia:

"There has never been any O-11 "five-star" General rank thus far in the Marine Corps, though such a rank could theoretically be created at any time by act of Congress (the first time Congress were to promote a Marine Officer to such a rank). Historically, O-11 ranks, such as "General of the Army" or "General of the Air Force" (five star General) or "Fleet Admiral" were established during WWII to allow US General- or Flag-grade officers to command foreign officers under the allied command structure who, otherwise, would have technically outranked them (an example would be a British "Field Marshal", a rank which does not exist in the US military but would be equivalent to a five-star General). Currently, no officer in any branch of the U.S. military holds a grade of O-11."
Ryan_Mercury
"It's Recharging!"
+19|7238
Oops, sorry about that, I thought you said 2nd Lt was missing.
Mike<Eagle23>
BF2sEU old school admin - I don't care who you are
+359|7146|Germany

|60|Cobalt
Terror in the Skies
+30|7170|Leipzig/Germany

Erkut.hv wrote:

I have a few ideas about Officer ranks.

For 2nd Lieutenant up through Major: I think you should have a huge amount of squad leader time. The point of the officer ranks, I believe, is leading your soldiers. not being a tank whoring, helo whoring, etc....
you also can be squad leader and tank whore - i often do this so i can speak to the commander (uav etc)

btw: i think only people with the WCR should get the higher officer ranks ;-)
Ryan_Mercury
"It's Recharging!"
+19|7238

Krappyappy wrote:

Ryan_Mercury wrote:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1889 … 6fb.th.jpg

Heres a shot of them, as you can see they dont have a 'larger' display view, just the in-game ones next to the name.
what are the last two, which are higherthan the 5 star general?
Dice Logo and EA Games logo, they probably have them appended onto their names for the developers, or 'were going too' but scratched that too.

Maybe someone who joined the server after the Xfire chat with Dice SF devs could indulge us on that info.

Last edited by Ryan_Mercury (2005-12-16 17:20:48)

Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7238
oh... duh. i guess i was too intent thinking 'those don't look like military ranks' to realise that they weren't at all.
-I4nI- Jaiden
Member
+0|7153|Las Vegas
bump
Crypto_420
Member
+25|7261|Portland

ScreamingJay wrote:

Crypto_420 wrote:

There is a 5 star rank in the navy,  know as fleet admrial of the navy.   A marine has never held this postion before,  but there is no where saying it couldnt be done,  considering the marine corps is a department of the navy.
Is this true? The Marine Corps is a seperate branch of the Armed Services, isn't it? General Peter Pace of the USMC is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. How can the chair of the JCS be from USMC when it is a dept. of the Navy?
Yes Im a 100% sure the Marine is a Dept. of the Navy.   this is one of the reasons a 5 star rank isnt apart of the rank structure for the marines. 

You can look at any marine patch and you with see   Dept of the Navy on it....

Just like in WWII,  there was no air force.   It was the army air corps,  which was a dept of the army.

For those of you that still think the Marine corps is its own branch think again,  its a department of the navy


DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD
WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060
Reestablishment of the Marine Corps
This act of 11 July 1798 reestablished the United States Marine Corps under the Constitution.



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An Act for the establishing and organizing a Marine Corps.

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in addition to the present military establishment, there shall be raised and organized a corps of marines, which shall consist of one major, four captains, sixteen first lieutenants, twelve second lieutenants, forty-eight sergeants, forty-eight corporals, thirty-two drums and fifes, and seven hundred and twenty privates, including the marines who have been enlisted, or are authorized to be raised for the naval armament; and the said corps may be formed into as many companies or detachments, as the President of the United States shall direct, with a proper distribution of the commissioned and non-commissioned officers and musicians to each company or detachment.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That the pay and subsisteuce of the said officers, privates and musicians, shall be as follows, to wit: To a major, fifty dollars per month, and four rations per day; to a captain, forty dollars per mouth, aud three rations per day; to a first lieutenant, thirty dollars per mouth, and three rations per day; to a second lieutenant, twenty-five dollars per month, and two rations per day; and to the nom-commissioned officers, privates and musicians, conformably to the act, intituled "An act providing a naval armament," as shall be fixed by the President of the United States: And the President of the United States shall be, and is hereby authorized to continue the enlistment of marines, until the said corps shall be complete; and of himself, to Appoint the commissioned officers, whenever, in the recess of the Senate, an appointment shall be necessary. And the enlistments, which shall be made by virtue hereof, may be for the term of three years, subject to be discharged by the President of the United States, or by the ceasing or repeal of the laws providing for the naval armament. And if the marine corps, or any part of it, shall be ordered by the President to do duty on shore, aud it shall become necessary to appoint an adjutant, paymaster, quartermaster, sergeant-major, quartermaster-sergeant, and drum and fife-major, or any of them, the major or commandant of the corps, is hereby authorized to appoint such staff officer or officers, from the line of subalterns, sergeants and music, respectively, who shall be entitled, during the time they shall dosuch duty, to the same extra pay and emoluments, which are allowed by law, to officers acting in the same capacities in the infantry.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That the detachments of the corps of marines hereby authorized, shall be made in lieu of the respective quotas of marines, which have been established or authorized for the frigates, and other armed vessels and gallies, which shall be employed in the service of the United States: And the President of the United States may detach and appoint such of the officers of this marine corps, to act on board the frigates, and any of the armed vessels of the United States, respectively, as he shall, from time to time, judge necessary; any thing in the act "providing a naval armament" to the contrary hereof notwithstanding.


Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the officers, non-commissioned officers, privates and musicians aforesaid, shall take the same oath, and shall be governed by the same rules and articles of war, as are prescribed for the military establishment of the United States, and by the rules for the regulation of the navy, heretofore, or which shall be established by law, according to the nature of the service in which they shall be employed, and shall be entitled to the same allowance, in case of wounds or disabilities, according to their respective ranks, as are granted by the act "to ascertain and fix the military establishment of the United States."


Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That the non-commissioned officers, musicians, seamen and marines, who are or shall be enlisted into the service of the United States; and the non-commissioned officers and musicians, who are or shall be enlisted into the army of the United States, shall be, and they are hereby exempted, during their term of service, from all personal
arrests for any debt or contract.

Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That the marine corps, established by this act, shall, at any time, be liable to do duty in the forts and garrisons of the United States, on the sea-coast, or any other duty on shore, as the President, at his discretion, shall direct.


Approved, July 11, 1798.



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Source: The Public Statues at Large of the United States of America. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1861.

15 October 1998
LockerFish
Member
+47|7124
You all may think I'm stupid for this...but I was first taught that there were 4 parts of our armed forces or whatever you wish to call them. the Navy,  army, air force, and the coast guard is it's own sepearate entity. the coast guard's job is just that, to guard our homeland while the other forces were formed to go and fight wars. Look it up and give me your source before you denounce me as wrong.

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