Oh dear God when do we get around to my dads bigger than your dad...
FFS, this debate is going nowhere fast.
FFS, this debate is going nowhere fast.
And your proof of this collusion is??? I think you'll find more innocent catholic citizens have been killed by "own goals" than the British ..IG-Calibre wrote:
tbh I'm more interested in how joker3327 thinks that the Collusion by the Government in the Murder of its innocent Catholic citizens is justifiable because of the actions of the Republican militants. To draw a contemporary parallel should the government go out and murder its Muslim citizens randomly because of Muslim extremists?
Aye right man, the dogs in the street's here know about it - I suggest you maybe have a wee read of "Into the Dark: 30 years in the RUC" by Johnson Brown or any of the other countless books starting to come out about Special Branch. Slowly but surely a picture is being developed on this collusion and it will all come out in the wash eventually.joker3327 wrote:
And your proof of this collusion is??? I think you'll find more innocent catholic citizens have been killed by "own goals" than the British ..IG-Calibre wrote:
tbh I'm more interested in how joker3327 thinks that the Collusion by the Government in the Murder of its innocent Catholic citizens is justifiable because of the actions of the Republican militants. To draw a contemporary parallel should the government go out and murder its Muslim citizens randomly because of Muslim extremists?
True true, outa Ireland, into Afghanistan and Iraqi.EricTViking wrote:
Hehe, but it's still bigger than the Irish one ;-p
Don't take our word on the collusion issue read The Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens. http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/collusion … ummary.htm
Or respected Documentary makers
PANORAMA
A Licence to Murder
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/collusion … 190602.htm
or
The Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, a group based in the United States of America
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/police/do … 130202.pdf
or
The UN
UN Report on RUC
Param Cumaraswamy, then United Nations (UN) Special Rapporteur, published a report that criticised Ronnie Flanagan, then Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), over the alleged harassment of defence solicitors. Cumaraswamy also called for an independent inquiry into the killing of Pat Finucane because there was evidence of collusion between members of the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. Flanagan rejected an accusation of indifference over the matter. Marjorie (Mo) Mowlam, then Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, said she would have talks with Cumaraswamy, about his report.
HERES A TIME LINE OF EVENTS:
Early 1987
The Force Research Unit (FRU) identified Brian Nelson, a former member of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA), as a potenital recruit. FRU persuaded Nelson to return to Northern Ireland and rejoin the UDA. The FRU initially paid him £200 a week to supply information. [The FRU was a special unit of Military (Army) Intelligence that was probably set up during 1979. FRU was a highly secret unit which sought to identify and recruit members of Republican and Loyalist paramilitary groups who could be persuaded to work as double agents on behalf of Military Intelligence.]
Autumn 1987
Brian Nelson, codenamed 6137, began supplying Army Intelligence with the Ulster Defence Association's (UDA) list of possible targets. Nelson also became the head of the UDA's intelligence gathering activities.
Sunday 12 February 1989
Finucane Killing
Patrick Finucane (38), a Catholic civilian, was shot dead by members of the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), a cover name (pseudonym) used by the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). Finucane was a Belfast solicitor who had represented a number of Republicans. He was killed at his home, Fortwilliam Drive, off Antrim Road, Belfast, in front of the members of his family. The shooting followed comments made (on 17 January 1989) by Douglas Hogg, then a British Home Office Minister, about a "number of solicitors in Northern Ireland who are unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA". [There were a number of accusations that there had been collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the security forces in the killing of Finucane. There were futher claims of collusion on 29 August 1989. On 17 April 1999 John Stevens, then deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, returned to Northern Ireland to launch a third Inquiry specifically into the killing of Finucane. He also began to investigate allegations raised by campaign group British-Irish Rights Watch and the United Nations. Stevens' third report was presented to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) on 17 April 2003. The report concluded that there had been collusion in the killing of Finucane between members of the security forces, especially the Force Research Unit (FRU), and Loyalists. See: Stevens summary report.]
Friday 25 August 1989
Loughlin Maginn was shot and killed by the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF). [Claims were made on 29 August 1989 that the UFF had received security force details on Loughlin Maginn.]
Tuesday 29 August 1989 (?)
Claims of Collusion between Loyalists and Security Forces
The Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) claimed that they had received security force files on Irish Republican Army (IRA) suspects. It was claimed that the death of Loughlin Maginn on 25 August 1989 was due to information supplied to the UFF by members of the security forces. [These claims revived accusations of security force collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries.]
Wednesday 10 January 1990
Stevens Inquiry Fire
The room being used by the Stevens Inquiry, into allegations of collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the security forces, was destroyed by a fire. The room was in a Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) station in Belfast. [A later RUC investigation concluded that the fire was an accident. Many commentators felt it unlikely that the fire was simply a coincidence. On 17 April 2003 Stevens wrote in the summary report of his third inquiry: "This incident, in my opinion, has never been adequately investigated and I believe it was a deliberate act of arson." (paragraph: 3.4).]
Thursday 17 May 1990
Summary of Stevens Report Published
A summary of the report of the Stevens Inquiry was published (first inquiry). The main finding of the report was that there had been evidence of collusion between members of the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. However it was the view of the inquiry that any collusion was "restricted to a small number of members of the security forces and is neither widespread nor institutionalised".
Wednesday 22 January 1992
Nelson Pleaded Guilty
Brian Nelson, who had operated as a British Army agent and a Ulster Defence Association (UDA) intelligence officer, pleaded guilty to five charges of conspiracy to murder and 14 charges of possessing information useful to terrorists. [Nelson was sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment. His decision to plead guilty meant that the security services did not have to justify their actions in court.]
Monday 8 June 1992
A British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) programme made a number of claims about Brian Nelson, who had operated as a British Army (BA) agent and a Ulster Defence Association (UDA) intelligence officer. The programme claimed that Nelson had been involved in 10 murders, attempted murders, or conspiracies to murder, and that his BA controllers had know of the events. The programme further claimed that in some instances BA intelligence had failed to pass on information about planned attacks to the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC).
Wednesday 3 March 1993
Six Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) soldiers were awarded undisclosed damages against Hugh Annesley, then Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), as a result of their arrest on 8 October 1989. The men had been arrested on the orders of the Stevens inquiry into allegations of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitary groups.
Wednesday 9 February 1994
Amnesty International published a report which claimed that there was "mounting evidence" of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. The RUC said that the claims were "utter nonsense".
Sunday 8 May 1994
Rose Anne Mallon (76), a Catholic civilian, was shot dead by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) at her relatives home, Cullenramer Road, Greystone, near Dungannon, County Tyrone. [On 27 July 1994 a neighbour discovered in a nearby field two security force surveillance cameras pointing at the house where the shooting took place. There were subsequent claims of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries.]
Wednesday 18 February 1998
The Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) published a video entitled Policing the Police which highlighted a number of complaints against the RUC in relation to their policing of controversial parades in Nationalist areas. One clip showed Rosemary Nelson, then a solicitor based in Lurgan, County Armagh, who alleged she was physically and verbally abused by RUC officers when she tried to speak to them about their handling of a Nationalist demonstration against an Orange Order parade down the Garvaghy Road, Portadown. Nelson claimed that the RUC officers had called her a "Fenian fucker" and had told her to "fuck off" when she had asked for an officer's number. [Rosemary Nelson was killed by Loyalist paramilitaries on 15 March 1999 amid claims of security force collusion in her death.]
This shit is on our news regularly, it doesn't make it to british papers or TV channels so I understand that some ppl living outside Northern Ireland don't realize this shit happened. Special Branch was a sectioned terrorist bigoted organization, plane and simple. Most of them were loyalist sympathizers with a hate for the catholic ppl and they showed it.
Or respected Documentary makers
PANORAMA
A Licence to Murder
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/collusion … 190602.htm
or
The Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, a group based in the United States of America
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/police/do … 130202.pdf
or
The UN
UN Report on RUC
Param Cumaraswamy, then United Nations (UN) Special Rapporteur, published a report that criticised Ronnie Flanagan, then Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), over the alleged harassment of defence solicitors. Cumaraswamy also called for an independent inquiry into the killing of Pat Finucane because there was evidence of collusion between members of the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. Flanagan rejected an accusation of indifference over the matter. Marjorie (Mo) Mowlam, then Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, said she would have talks with Cumaraswamy, about his report.
HERES A TIME LINE OF EVENTS:
Early 1987
The Force Research Unit (FRU) identified Brian Nelson, a former member of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA), as a potenital recruit. FRU persuaded Nelson to return to Northern Ireland and rejoin the UDA. The FRU initially paid him £200 a week to supply information. [The FRU was a special unit of Military (Army) Intelligence that was probably set up during 1979. FRU was a highly secret unit which sought to identify and recruit members of Republican and Loyalist paramilitary groups who could be persuaded to work as double agents on behalf of Military Intelligence.]
Autumn 1987
Brian Nelson, codenamed 6137, began supplying Army Intelligence with the Ulster Defence Association's (UDA) list of possible targets. Nelson also became the head of the UDA's intelligence gathering activities.
Sunday 12 February 1989
Finucane Killing
Patrick Finucane (38), a Catholic civilian, was shot dead by members of the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), a cover name (pseudonym) used by the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). Finucane was a Belfast solicitor who had represented a number of Republicans. He was killed at his home, Fortwilliam Drive, off Antrim Road, Belfast, in front of the members of his family. The shooting followed comments made (on 17 January 1989) by Douglas Hogg, then a British Home Office Minister, about a "number of solicitors in Northern Ireland who are unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA". [There were a number of accusations that there had been collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the security forces in the killing of Finucane. There were futher claims of collusion on 29 August 1989. On 17 April 1999 John Stevens, then deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, returned to Northern Ireland to launch a third Inquiry specifically into the killing of Finucane. He also began to investigate allegations raised by campaign group British-Irish Rights Watch and the United Nations. Stevens' third report was presented to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) on 17 April 2003. The report concluded that there had been collusion in the killing of Finucane between members of the security forces, especially the Force Research Unit (FRU), and Loyalists. See: Stevens summary report.]
Friday 25 August 1989
Loughlin Maginn was shot and killed by the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF). [Claims were made on 29 August 1989 that the UFF had received security force details on Loughlin Maginn.]
Tuesday 29 August 1989 (?)
Claims of Collusion between Loyalists and Security Forces
The Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) claimed that they had received security force files on Irish Republican Army (IRA) suspects. It was claimed that the death of Loughlin Maginn on 25 August 1989 was due to information supplied to the UFF by members of the security forces. [These claims revived accusations of security force collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries.]
Wednesday 10 January 1990
Stevens Inquiry Fire
The room being used by the Stevens Inquiry, into allegations of collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the security forces, was destroyed by a fire. The room was in a Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) station in Belfast. [A later RUC investigation concluded that the fire was an accident. Many commentators felt it unlikely that the fire was simply a coincidence. On 17 April 2003 Stevens wrote in the summary report of his third inquiry: "This incident, in my opinion, has never been adequately investigated and I believe it was a deliberate act of arson." (paragraph: 3.4).]
Thursday 17 May 1990
Summary of Stevens Report Published
A summary of the report of the Stevens Inquiry was published (first inquiry). The main finding of the report was that there had been evidence of collusion between members of the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. However it was the view of the inquiry that any collusion was "restricted to a small number of members of the security forces and is neither widespread nor institutionalised".
Wednesday 22 January 1992
Nelson Pleaded Guilty
Brian Nelson, who had operated as a British Army agent and a Ulster Defence Association (UDA) intelligence officer, pleaded guilty to five charges of conspiracy to murder and 14 charges of possessing information useful to terrorists. [Nelson was sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment. His decision to plead guilty meant that the security services did not have to justify their actions in court.]
Monday 8 June 1992
A British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) programme made a number of claims about Brian Nelson, who had operated as a British Army (BA) agent and a Ulster Defence Association (UDA) intelligence officer. The programme claimed that Nelson had been involved in 10 murders, attempted murders, or conspiracies to murder, and that his BA controllers had know of the events. The programme further claimed that in some instances BA intelligence had failed to pass on information about planned attacks to the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC).
Wednesday 3 March 1993
Six Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) soldiers were awarded undisclosed damages against Hugh Annesley, then Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), as a result of their arrest on 8 October 1989. The men had been arrested on the orders of the Stevens inquiry into allegations of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitary groups.
Wednesday 9 February 1994
Amnesty International published a report which claimed that there was "mounting evidence" of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. The RUC said that the claims were "utter nonsense".
Sunday 8 May 1994
Rose Anne Mallon (76), a Catholic civilian, was shot dead by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) at her relatives home, Cullenramer Road, Greystone, near Dungannon, County Tyrone. [On 27 July 1994 a neighbour discovered in a nearby field two security force surveillance cameras pointing at the house where the shooting took place. There were subsequent claims of collusion between the security forces and Loyalist paramilitaries.]
Wednesday 18 February 1998
The Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) published a video entitled Policing the Police which highlighted a number of complaints against the RUC in relation to their policing of controversial parades in Nationalist areas. One clip showed Rosemary Nelson, then a solicitor based in Lurgan, County Armagh, who alleged she was physically and verbally abused by RUC officers when she tried to speak to them about their handling of a Nationalist demonstration against an Orange Order parade down the Garvaghy Road, Portadown. Nelson claimed that the RUC officers had called her a "Fenian fucker" and had told her to "fuck off" when she had asked for an officer's number. [Rosemary Nelson was killed by Loyalist paramilitaries on 15 March 1999 amid claims of security force collusion in her death.]
This shit is on our news regularly, it doesn't make it to british papers or TV channels so I understand that some ppl living outside Northern Ireland don't realize this shit happened. Special Branch was a sectioned terrorist bigoted organization, plane and simple. Most of them were loyalist sympathizers with a hate for the catholic ppl and they showed it.
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So joker3327 i'm interested in understanding which is your position, is it either:
A - the Collusion by the Government in the Murder of its innocent Catholic citizens is justifiable because of the actions of the Republican militants against those subjugated to the Crown?
B - there was no state sponsored murder (read tyranny)?
A - the Collusion by the Government in the Murder of its innocent Catholic citizens is justifiable because of the actions of the Republican militants against those subjugated to the Crown?
B - there was no state sponsored murder (read tyranny)?
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Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.EricTViking wrote:
Hehe, but it's still bigger than the Irish one ;-pCameronPoe wrote:
LOL. The British Empire is dead Viking, get over it.EricTViking wrote:
Who says we want to say sorry? Now here's a dime, go have a rat gnaw that thing off your face.
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.EricTViking wrote:
Hehe, but it's still bigger than the Irish one ;-pCameronPoe wrote:
LOL. The British Empire is dead Viking, get over it.
True.Vilham wrote:
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.EricTViking wrote:
Hehe, but it's still bigger than the Irish one ;-p
thats all these stupid retarded irish losers can think of, making money.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
Historically (since Jesus was a wee lad) the only people the Irish are interested in fighting are themselves, or, those who invade - read Vikings/British - you don't know the Irish too well..Vilham wrote:
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.EricTViking wrote:
Hehe, but it's still bigger than the Irish one ;-p
Tis true, maybe more like Vikings/Danes/British though?IG-Calibre wrote:
Historically (since Jesus was a wee lad) the only people the Irish are interested in fighting are themselves, or, those who invade - read Vikings/British - you don't know the Irish too well..Vilham wrote:
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.
of course the Danes!! sorry my bad I was kinda lumping them all together from that region under a general banner of vikingness..
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Of topic.EricTViking wrote:
Tis true, maybe more like Vikings/Danes/British though?
I have a Swedish friend, he spells his name 'Erik', the Viking/Swedish way.
I'm disappointed that joker3327 hasn't responded, because i've never really had a conversation with a British soldier before that didn't involve my being at the end of a gun being told to put my hands above my head. not really a conducive setting for a bit of a chat i'm sure you would agree, i'm genuinely interested to hear what you made of the whole thing in general terms we never really hear the soldiers side of the whole conflict..
What the hell would an Irish Hitler do? Bomb the world with moss? I'm as proud of my heritage as the next caucasian, but come on.CameronPoe wrote:
True.Vilham wrote:
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.
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Try reading the whole thread before making stupid ignorant comments.d4rkst4r wrote:
thats all these stupid retarded irish losers can think of, making money.
This is Debate And Serious Talk love.
Assuming this is true, that makes both sides even. The IRA did some pretty hellacious things in its own right.IG-Calibre wrote:
there was state sponsored collusion in the Murder of numerous innocent Catholics in this country right up until 1996 (if not later), Bloody Sunday was not the be all and end all of British tyranny here.
Well, to be honest, the U.K. would be better off financially if they did that. It's only out of stubbornness and the conflicting views of the people living there that keeps that from happening.TeamZephyr wrote:
You can't make a problem go away by simply throwing money at it.Turquoise wrote:
Uh... Accepting the cash is a good thing. It's the best offer they're gonna get or should get for that matter.TeamZephyr wrote:
I hope you Irish have moral character enough to not allow yourselves to be bought out by money from the country that flies the butcher's apron.
Thinking that they can buy the Irish's favour is a spit in the face for any Irishman that fought and died for the Republic to exist.
If the British really want to say sorry they can give the 6 counties to the Irish Republic, where they belong.
Still, I think the rest of Ireland should be happy that they don't have to care for the poor of Northern Ireland. It would seriously negatively affect their economy right now.
Your very nieve and dont know human nature too well..IG-Calibre wrote:
Historically (since Jesus was a wee lad) the only people the Irish are interested in fighting are themselves, or, those who invade - read Vikings/British - you don't know the Irish too well..Vilham wrote:
Dont try and predict the future, your next prime minister/president may be the next Hitler. Any thing can happen.CameronPoe wrote:
Hehe something I'm proud of. The Irish are not imperialists, never were and never will be.
OK - so by your reckoning it's fine for the government to kill random British Muslim citizens for any soldier that is killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? both sides would be even then? it would be just? Do you think every British citizen would be happy with that arrangement they wouldn't have a problem with it? or to make it relevant your government should just start killing random Muslim American citizens for every body bag that comes back to the states no one would have a problem with that..Turquoise wrote:
Assuming this is true, that makes both sides even. The IRA did some pretty hellacious things in its own right.IG-Calibre wrote:
there was state sponsored collusion in the Murder of numerous innocent Catholics in this country right up until 1996 (if not later), Bloody Sunday was not the be all and end all of British tyranny here.
Mothers & fathers gunned down in front of their children, Lawers representing those in Gitmo should be killed because they are obviously terrorist supports?
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Well, I'll say this. Both IRA members and government personnel that are involved in any sort of murder should be brought to justice, but I don't personally sympathize with either side. I only sympathize with the families of victims.IG-Calibre wrote:
OK - so by your reckoning it's fine for the government to kill random British Muslim citizens for any soldier that is killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? both sides would be even then? it would be just? Do you think every British citizen would be happy with that arrangement they wouldn't have a problem with it? or to make it relevant your government should just start killing random Muslim American citizens for every body bag that comes back to the states no one would have a problem with that..Turquoise wrote:
Assuming this is true, that makes both sides even. The IRA did some pretty hellacious things in its own right.IG-Calibre wrote:
there was state sponsored collusion in the Murder of numerous innocent Catholics in this country right up until 1996 (if not later), Bloody Sunday was not the be all and end all of British tyranny here.
Mothers & fathers gunned down in front of their children, Lawers representing those in Gitmo should be killed because they are obviously terrorist supports?
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'll say this. Both IRA members and government personnel that are involved in any sort of murder should be brought to justice, but I don't personally sympathize with either side. I only sympathize with the families of victims.IG-Calibre wrote:
OK - so by your reckoning it's fine for the government to kill random British Muslim citizens for any soldier that is killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? both sides would be even then? it would be just? Do you think every British citizen would be happy with that arrangement they wouldn't have a problem with it? or to make it relevant your government should just start killing random Muslim American citizens for every body bag that comes back to the states no one would have a problem with that..Turquoise wrote:
Assuming this is true, that makes both sides even. The IRA did some pretty hellacious things in its own right.
Mothers & fathers gunned down in front of their children, Lawers representing those in Gitmo should be killed because they are obviously terrorist supports?
Wrong Again Vilham but i'll get back to you in a minute. To Turquoise - that's a good response at least you can see the injustice, that's what most people need to do in the world is see where the injustice liesVilham wrote:
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'll say this. Both IRA members and government personnel that are involved in any sort of murder should be brought to justice, but I don't personally sympathize with either side. I only sympathize with the families of victims.IG-Calibre wrote:
OK - so by your reckoning it's fine for the government to kill random British Muslim citizens for any soldier that is killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? both sides would be even then? it would be just? Do you think every British citizen would be happy with that arrangement they wouldn't have a problem with it? or to make it relevant your government should just start killing random Muslim American citizens for every body bag that comes back to the states no one would have a problem with that..
Mothers & fathers gunned down in front of their children, Lawers representing those in Gitmo should be killed because they are obviously terrorist supports?
Viliam I find your posts ludicrous you think you know everything which is a dangerous way to be walking through the world- i'd imagine that you think every Muslim is a supporter of al qaeda? Let me explain something to you son, not every Catholic supported the IRA in Northern Ireland, that is not to say that we don't understand why the IRA existed. I'll reiterate again for your benefit - not everyone from the Catholic side of the community is a Republican (for the benifit of American readers those who believed in the bullet) infact many of us were committed democrats (those who believed in the ballot box) who always believed in a political solution & viewed the armed struggle for what it was; murder. Not everyone is a bigot - I was raised not to be a bigot, I have now, and, will always have good protestant friends in my life who are loyalist, I have many friends from both communities who are now married or plan on getting married. I am a Nationalist and have no shame declaring that to the world I am an Irish man and make no apology about it. I've buried friends killed by the IRA and I've buried Friends killed by British Soldiers - who were not IRA either but simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am aware of people who may or may not have been in loyalist paramilitaries and the same for the republican movement. If you have nothing of worth to add to the conversation, please keep your clearly unfounded pathetic declarations of what you think people are or are not to yourself -cause all it is doing is making you look stupider and stupider with each post. thank you..
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I have never, NOT ONCE, endorsed acts committed by the IRA that killed innocent civilians or that amounted to criminality (drugs running, etc.).Vilham wrote:
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.
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