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Everyone using support?Dex Luther wrote:
Why do people complain? Because there's a problem with it.theDude5B wrote:
All the weapons in this game are all capable of killing, so dont go complaining that one weapon is over powered. This happened with BF2, everyone complains that the GL was too good, so EA/DICE messed about with it and then it was pretty crap after, people complained about the C4 throwing so then EA/DICE fucked about with this also and stopped you from blowing tanks up from behind a small fence/wall.
So dont go complaining about weapons being over powered. If someone is causing you damage with one weapon, then hide from them! do what ever you can so that you are not getting hit! or choose a different weapon and pwn their ass.
p.s. then engineers rockets are effective if you hit the vehicles in the correct place.I think with 2142 this is much more important than in BF2. in BF2 you could take out a tank with two rockets no matter where you hit the tank, but in 2142 you can actually see the damage the armour takes when you hit them in different places.
I'll complain about the support guns all I want because they ARE over powered and EA SHOULD nerf them.
You'd be agreeing with me if you ever actually shot a support gun. Come back to me when you've held and shot an M60 or other such gun. While your at it let me see a video of you holding that gun's trigger down and not completely losing control of it and hitting a target the size of a human 100-200m away with almost pin point accuracy. Then you can tell me the gun is fine. Until then I'll be complaining that the support kit should be nerfed.
The fact that they have machine guns with pin point accuracy is bad enough, but they've got that sentry gun that unbalances the kit to the extreme.
The GL in BF2 was nerfed because people complained it was too powerful. Combine with the fact that people abuse power, and you've got people running at you and shooting a grenade at your feet. They nerfed it to stop this from happening.
Same thing with C4 throwing. People abused it, other complained, so it was nerfed. It it hadn't been abuse, no one would complain, and there'd be no nerf.
Same thing with all the nerfs like bunny hopping and dolphin diving. If people didn't abuse them, they wouldn't have been a problem, and probably wouldn't have been fixed/nerfed.
The support kit is beginning to become a problem. You call for a medic and there's none to be found, you call for repairs and there's none to be found, but you call for ammo and you get 20 people throwing ammo boxes at you. Why? Because people have realized how much more powerful the support kit is with it's awesome gun and sentry canon that acts as a player's early warning system (when it starts shooting through a wall, you know someone's coming) and doubles as the players 3rd arm. Allowing him to do the work of TWO people.
When people start picking one kit predominately over the other kits, I say there's a balance issue there.
BTW the issue isn't whether or not the weapons are capable of killing. The issue is that one kit does it 100 times more "efficiently" with less effort than the other kits.
1. What servers do you play on?
2. Can I play there?
Agreed. I prefer to not use those guns for that reason. They are fucking cheesy and lame. As a sniper when a support gun can outkill me at long range then something is wrong. I say nerf the support guns, stop demo pack tossing, toss the fucking sentry gun. You notice the flechette launcher in the game won't detonate at close range to do damage? They thought ahead. Just not all the way. And I scream for ammo all the time but the asshole support gunners are too busy putting up sentry guns or shooting to give you ammo. Fucking dicks. Support players are the biggest dicks I've met on Battlefield. Battlefield 2 was the same way, they would never hand out ammo when you needed it. The nicest people I have met, were Engineers and Medics. Or at least when Im a medic, I always sacrifice myself to revive other players, not because of points, but because its the right thing to do. Engineers always get run down, but still keep repairing vehicles and shotguns are mighty handy. Im a big support kit person on BF2, but my other kits that are big are medics and snipers. I only played support when I was with my clan to drop ammo and support fire. And anyone can tell you this, that when you stand straight up with a support gun, you couldn't hit shit with it. But when a guy can stand with a Bianchi or a Ganz and hit me accurately at a distance thats fucked up.
I never have much of a problem with them. When playing infantry maps, I almost always play assault, and the PK-74 rocket launcher works brilliantly against supports. It has quite a slow movement speed, so the prone supports are easy to hit. Then you can finish them off with a Baur bullet or rifle burst.
And at close range, support is shit. If you go prone your crosshairs practically escape your monitor; and while you're waiting for the good accuracy the assault or engineer you're facing has murdered you.
And at close range, support is shit. If you go prone your crosshairs practically escape your monitor; and while you're waiting for the good accuracy the assault or engineer you're facing has murdered you.
O God... Stop whining, its fine, every thing is fine. The support Gun as is advantages and disadvantages... And can be taken out easily... If your a good sniper you should of killed him before he got that accurate, Also they cant move without completely screwing over there accuracy, So if they are immobile they should get a good weapon when you are not moving... I reckon this Game is perfectly balanced.
It's advantages completely outweigh the disadvantages. Why would he need to move? He's got two guns firing at an enemy. The enemy is as good as dead.Tas3674 wrote:
O God... Stop whining, its fine, every thing is fine. The support Gun as is advantages and disadvantages... And can be taken out easily... If your a good sniper you should of killed him before he got that accurate, Also they cant move without completely screwing over there accuracy, So if they are immobile they should get a good weapon when you are not moving... I reckon this Game is perfectly balanced.
its official you just need a video game tutor.Dex Luther wrote:
It's advantages completely outweigh the disadvantages. Why would he need to move? He's got two guns firing at an enemy. The enemy is as good as dead.Tas3674 wrote:
O God... Stop whining, its fine, every thing is fine. The support Gun as is advantages and disadvantages... And can be taken out easily... If your a good sniper you should of killed him before he got that accurate, Also they cant move without completely screwing over there accuracy, So if they are immobile they should get a good weapon when you are not moving... I reckon this Game is perfectly balanced.
Heh, I think the accuracy on that gun needs to be nerfed. Thats all, I don't give two shits what you think. My oppinion matters to me. And Im completely sure that you hit the support gunner every time he goes prone to shoot you. You are such the leet gamer. Support LMG's, The APC, APM's, and Frags are my leading causes of death, in that order. Frags I can see, APM's, I can see, Armor whores are armor whores none the less, and I've even seen some demo pack tosser remnants from BF2, which to combat that I just don't go on servers where FF is off. I try to get around the problems to make the game more enjoyable for me, but you can't get around the LMG's suprisingly high accuracy. It should be toned down a bit. Not a lot, but a little bit. I can see the LMG user taking single or burst shots, but not full on spraying and hitting someone, or standing straight up and spraying and getting kills in a row. Thats just complete bullshit. You can stand straight up and spray with the Baur and not hit anything, but you can stand straight up with an LMG at the same range, spray and get kills!? I don't fucking think so.
stop whinging and suck your toe.
You need to fire an m60 and tell me if it gets more accurate if you hold down the trigger.HellGuard99 wrote:
its official you just need a video game tutor.Dex Luther wrote:
It's advantages completely outweigh the disadvantages. Why would he need to move? He's got two guns firing at an enemy. The enemy is as good as dead.Tas3674 wrote:
O God... Stop whining, its fine, every thing is fine. The support Gun as is advantages and disadvantages... And can be taken out easily... If your a good sniper you should of killed him before he got that accurate, Also they cant move without completely screwing over there accuracy, So if they are immobile they should get a good weapon when you are not moving... I reckon this Game is perfectly balanced.
You must be primarily a support player which is why you don't see anything wrong with it, or you do you just won't admit it because you don't want it getting nerfed.
If the support kit didn't have the sentry guns, then the ridiculous accuracy would be a little more tolerable. The sentry guns combined with their ridiculous accuracy gives the support kit a huge advantage over every other kit in terms of fire power. They have double the fire power than any other kit.
What's their disadvantage? Their main gun over heats. Whooptie doo! While your waiting for your gun to cool you've got you're little buddy the sentry gun laying down almost continuous fire mowing down anyone that tries to attack you.
Either the support guns need nerfing or the sentry does.
The Baur is primarily a single shot rifle, not designed for spraying. The Voss is a large SMG, and is.Emerye wrote:
Heh, I think the accuracy on that gun needs to be nerfed. Thats all, I don't give two shits what you think. My oppinion matters to me. And Im completely sure that you hit the support gunner every time he goes prone to shoot you. You are such the leet gamer. Support LMG's, The APC, APM's, and Frags are my leading causes of death, in that order. Frags I can see, APM's, I can see, Armor whores are armor whores none the less, and I've even seen some demo pack tosser remnants from BF2, which to combat that I just don't go on servers where FF is off. I try to get around the problems to make the game more enjoyable for me, but you can't get around the LMG's suprisingly high accuracy. It should be toned down a bit. Not a lot, but a little bit. I can see the LMG user taking single or burst shots, but not full on spraying and hitting someone, or standing straight up and spraying and getting kills in a row. Thats just complete bullshit. You can stand straight up and spray with the Baur and not hit anything, but you can stand straight up with an LMG at the same range, spray and get kills!? I don't fucking think so.
Also, if you take a look at the LMG damage, at anything over 15m (which is the majority of LMG users) it does 15 damage.
Minus a third, as everyone wears body armour (which reduces damage by a third).
It does 10 damage a shot, so 10 shots to kill. Pretty crap, eh?
Now, at anything below 40m, the Baur does 34 damage. Minus a third is 22. Thats only 5 shots to kill. 34 is also enough for a single headshot (headshot is x3 damage).
you guys never seen metal storm guns? those things are accurate and rapid firing beastsDex Luther wrote:
You need to fire an m60 and tell me if it gets more accurate if you hold down the trigger.HellGuard99 wrote:
its official you just need a video game tutor.Dex Luther wrote:
It's advantages completely outweigh the disadvantages. Why would he need to move? He's got two guns firing at an enemy. The enemy is as good as dead.
You must be primarily a support player which is why you don't see anything wrong with it, or you do you just won't admit it because you don't want it getting nerfed.
If the support kit didn't have the sentry guns, then the ridiculous accuracy would be a little more tolerable. The sentry guns combined with their ridiculous accuracy gives the support kit a huge advantage over every other kit in terms of fire power. They have double the fire power than any other kit.
What's their disadvantage? Their main gun over heats. Whooptie doo! While your waiting for your gun to cool you've got you're little buddy the sentry gun laying down almost continuous fire mowing down anyone that tries to attack you.
Either the support guns need nerfing or the sentry does.
support are easy to take care of....adapt or your going to die
everything in this game is balanced so suck it up or fuck off and play some other game...
2142 doesnt need a bunch of whiny complaining little bitches that are going to screw up a perfectly good game... nothing needs to be nerfed nothing needs to be changed ....... like i said adapt or die
everything in this game is balanced so suck it up or fuck off and play some other game...
2142 doesnt need a bunch of whiny complaining little bitches that are going to screw up a perfectly good game... nothing needs to be nerfed nothing needs to be changed ....... like i said adapt or die
Last edited by straz_mataz (2006-11-05 21:40:48)
straz very well said +1
Balanced? Support's the only kit I know of that has the use of two guns at once (3 if you count the SL unlock too). not to mention an unlimited supply of grenades. How is that balanced?straz_mataz wrote:
support are easy to take care of....adapt or your going to die
everything in this game is balanced so suck it up or fuck off and play some other game...
2142 doesnt need a bunch of whiny complaining little bitches that are going to screw up a perfectly good game... nothing needs to be nerfed nothing needs to be changed ....... like i said adapt or die
They can out shoot a sniper (I'm sorry but a support gun shouldn't have anywhere near the same range as a sniper).
I could see how you could say it was balanced if the sentry gun didn't exist, or wasn't as powerful as it it.
I'm not complaining because I can't take them out. I can. It's just the fact the support kits rack up tons of kills with 0 effort at all.
Place a sentry gun, put out an ammo pack, hold trigger down, enemy is confronted with a shower of bullets, even if your gun over heats it doesn't matter the sentry gun fires continuously (with pretty good accuracy too).
If a sniper tries to take you out just spray bullets at him, you have pretty much the same range as he does. If he pokes his head out to try to shoot you, he's dead.
When things start to heat up, pull out your grenades. Keep lobbing them you'll gets lots of kills, and your sentry gun will take care of finishing off anyone you only damage.
Being support class takes as much effort as playing Halo 2. None at all, but you still manage to rack up tons of kills. Which is why it's unbalanced and thus overplayed.
Last edited by Dex Luther (2006-11-06 14:56:11)
the sentry gun isnt that powerful.....all you have to do is run straight at it or hide behind something and take a few shots at it and they are easily taken care of
the only thing i could agree that its overpowered is how support can fire accuratly while standing..this is the only thing that should be changed IMO
now you may think im biased because you think that i play support well i dont.... support is actually my least played kit engineer is my most played followed by assault..... so if anything i should be making threads called OMG the engineer's smg blows i cant hit shit if hes over 30m away...well guns have their pros and cons you see
adapt or your going to die
the only thing i could agree that its overpowered is how support can fire accuratly while standing..this is the only thing that should be changed IMO
now you may think im biased because you think that i play support well i dont.... support is actually my least played kit engineer is my most played followed by assault..... so if anything i should be making threads called OMG the engineer's smg blows i cant hit shit if hes over 30m away...well guns have their pros and cons you see
adapt or your going to die
Last edited by straz_mataz (2006-11-06 17:53:17)
well, Ive just created an account here to reply to this...Dex Luther wrote:
Balanced? Supports the only kit I know of that has the use of two guns at once (3 if you count the SL unlock too). not to mention an unlimited supply of grenades. How is that balanced?straz_mataz wrote:
support are easy to take care of....adapt or your going to die
everything in this game is balanced so suck it up or fuck off and play some other game...
2142 doesn't need a bunch of whiny complaining little bitches that are going to screw up a perfectly good game... nothing needs to be nerfed nothing needs to be changed ....... like i said adapt or die
They can out shoot a sniper (I'm sorry but a support gun shouldn't have anywhere near the same range as a sniper).
I could see how you could say it was balanced if the sentry gun didn't exist, or wasn't as powerful as it it.
I'm not complaining because I can't take them out. I can. It's just the fact the support kits rack up tons of kills with 0 effort at all.
Place a sentry gun, put out an ammo pack, hold trigger down, enemy is confronted with a shower of bullets, even if your gun over heats it doesn't matter the sentry gun fires continuously (with pretty good accuracy too).
If a sniper tries to take you out just spray bullets at him, you have pretty much the same range as he does. If he pokes his head out to try to shoot you, he's dead.
When things start to heat up, pull out your grenades. Keep lobbing them you'll gets lots of kills, and your sentry gun will take care of finishing off anyone you only damage.
Being support class takes as much effort as playing Halo 2. None at all, but you still manage to rack up tons of kills. Which is why it's unbalanced and thus overplayed.
1. u need to practice more as sniper mate, support *never* wins against me when I'm sniping.
I (and other snipers no doubt) get killed by support an med/close range, usually when I'm changing location etc. *not* in a long range engagement. If your getting out ranged by a support guy then u need some serious practice.
2. he has a sentry? what do you have? a frikkin water pistol!?!? USE YOUR RIFLE! 2 shots.boom.gone.
or chuck a nade from cover! call support...etc, etc...
*cough* stop whining *cough*
3. Yes, i can agree with the fact that they still have decent accuracy whilst standing, maybe that should change. but if not, and it annoys you that much then go play BF2. everyone is still getting used to 2142, so as straz_mataz said; Adapt or die.
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You don't have enough time to make two shots man. And statz, now you say the accuracy while standing needs to be nerfed when you ranted about it being fine? Make up your fuckin mind man. Thats what I was talking about in the first place. The accuracy of the guns needs to be nerfed altogether. Someone standing and spraying should not be able to hit me sniping. I play Assault when with my clan, and and Snipe when pubbing alone. I do agree on the Baur, I keep it on single shot mostly and do sharpshooting with it. I was on Fall of Berlin the other day and got on the mono rail via my squad beacon, and was sharpshooting at the Road Block. No one saw me and it took me around 3 shots to take out someone, unless I hit them in the head and it was too. I ran dry needless to say, and was using pistol ammo and Flechette Rockets. The Baur is an excellant gun, definately G3. The Support kits accuracy needs to be nerfed, and I also think, if the support gunner dies, his sentry shouldn't be active anymore. This one guy however, was sitting there watching a fight, which I didn't care, I called for ammo 13 times!!!! He did nothing so I shot him in the foot with my pistol, and he complained about it. I dropped a med kit and healed him, called for ammo. He still didn't give me any. Since the support guy was being an ass, I took it forcefully. I was at least nice enough to revive him when I was done. All those who say its fine must be experts at this game, like I see them being CAL I players or CPL players or something.
i can deal with support players they dont bother me... and i never said anything about nerfing the lmg i said it should be tweaked just a little bit so they are not so accurate while standing thats all.... its whiny little bitches like you that made bf2 the way it is today so please dont ruin 2142 its very balanced nothing needs to be drasticly changed if you cant take out a support guy while sniping at max range well you must suck then because even i can kill support guys while sniping and im not that great at it at all
Oh noes! Sentry gun! 9 damage per round!
...To an unarmored target!
...Below 20m!
...To an unarmored target!
...Below 20m!
QFEk30dxedle wrote:
Oh noes! Sentry gun! 9 damage per round!
...To an unarmored target!
...Below 20m!
If you lack the ability to run at a sentry gun, try running around it. They have a shitty angle of fire.
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