You have no right in criticizing his views without knowing his culture and background. Please define civilized society.JimG wrote:
Correct, I said that and i do believe that. ONLY BECAUSE HE SAID IT IN AN INSULTING MANNER WHICH DEMEANS HOMOSEXUALS AS A WHOLE. THOSE SORT OF INSULTS DO NOT BELONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY. He can believe what he wants, but has no right to insult them in that way...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Again, you cannot blatantly say they are wrong just because you don't accept them.JimG wrote:
There was nothing wrong with what i said, he was just defending the other guys points, which were wrong.
Nice thoughtmotherdear wrote:
i don't think you can think of having children as a right for homos, i just think that the children will suffer and lack some input from men if it's lesbians and the other way around. i don't have anything against homos and them marrying i just think that it's sad for their child.
Quote for effect, this is the major reason why it's not bad if you are talking about adoption. Actually it emproves everyone's life it take the strain off the state to take care of the extra kids, so we get to pay less taxes.Bertster7 wrote:
I think it should be possible (but slightly more difficult) for gays to adopt children. Better to be brought up by a loving gay family than in a foster home or orphanage. I don't approve of gay marriage, but think gay civil partnerships with equal rights to marriage are a good idea. I just don't like the idea of it being called marriage.
Because the foster/ophanage range is a horrible place for a child to grow up in. My aunt and Uncle has two foster children who where in and out of ophanages and they had a horrible life. So if two loving adults want to take care of a child, who cares if they get bullied at school at least they will have someone who loves them at home..
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A civilised society is one where stating that another member of the human race is mentally retarded and a sick bastard. And I think you'll find I do have the right to criticize his insults. I need not know his culture or background, I just feel, this is me talking, that this is not acceptable. He can say it but we should all know it is wrong...teddy..jimmy wrote:
You have no right in criticizing his views without knowing his culture and background. Please define civilized society.JimG wrote:
Correct, I said that and i do believe that. ONLY BECAUSE HE SAID IT IN AN INSULTING MANNER WHICH DEMEANS HOMOSEXUALS AS A WHOLE. THOSE SORT OF INSULTS DO NOT BELONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY. He can believe what he wants, but has no right to insult them in that way...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Again, you cannot blatantly say they are wrong just because you don't accept them.
Maybe you should stick to the matter at hand, especially since you posted the topic of debate.
This whole "hatred" of homosexuals and transexuals etc etc came from the base from which most people lay their problems to.
The Church.
You may not want to believe it, but it was, the Church has critisced "gays" for....well......since it was created.
I find it the most pathetic thing on this planet. People move on, the church doesn't. Which is why I stopped believing.
Of course they should be allowed. They have the same right ( or SHOULD have the same right ) as all other men and women.
Breast feeding might be a problem if 2 men were to get a child.
But I am sure nothing would bw wrong with it.
The Church.
You may not want to believe it, but it was, the Church has critisced "gays" for....well......since it was created.
I find it the most pathetic thing on this planet. People move on, the church doesn't. Which is why I stopped believing.
Of course they should be allowed. They have the same right ( or SHOULD have the same right ) as all other men and women.
Breast feeding might be a problem if 2 men were to get a child.
But I am sure nothing would bw wrong with it.
I agree completlyzimmer92 wrote:
This whole "hatred" of homosexuals and transexuals etc etc came from the base from which most people lay their problems to.
The Church.
You may not want to believe it, but it was, the Church has critisced "gays" for....well......since it was created.
I find it the most pathetic thing on this planet. People move on, the church doesn't. Which is why I stopped believing.
Of course they should be allowed. They have the same right ( or SHOULD have the same right ) as all other men and women.
Breast feeding might be a problem if 2 men were to get a child.
But I am sure nothing would bw wrong with it.
JimG wrote:
That's beside the point. Homosexuals should at the very least have the exact same rights as everyone else on this planet, yes? So why not the right to have children.. When you bring in the facts proving everything your saying happens in the entire world and not JUST the US, then maybe you can generalise as you are doing...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Segregation is a different topic. Sure, it would be nice for gays to have kids and live normally as any other heterosexual couple but I am not thinking about the parent's happiness. I am saying that the kid will be disadvantaged due to to the society that we live in.Bubbalo wrote:
I, for one, am glad that you weren't deciding policy during the days of segregation.................
I am for gay couples having children if society was different and gay marriages were more accepted but unfortunately, it is not.
Children of homosexual parents will suffer from lack of rights and protections, economic protection and social problems.
What a stinking pile of prejudiced bigoted shite, many single parents do a wonderful job of raising healthy normal well adjusted adult human beings, why should 2 people of the same Gender not do the same? away and have a word with yourself. don't kid yourself "Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people" no you don't, you can hardly disguise your disdain, you're just a disgusting bigot..IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
Good point. What ever gives the child the best he/she can have.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Quote for effect, this is the major reason why it's not bad if you are talking about adoption. Actually it emproves everyone's life it take the strain off the state to take care of the extra kids, so we get to pay less taxes.Bertster7 wrote:
I think it should be possible (but slightly more difficult) for gays to adopt children. Better to be brought up by a loving gay family than in a foster home or orphanage. I don't approve of gay marriage, but think gay civil partnerships with equal rights to marriage are a good idea. I just don't like the idea of it being called marriage.
Because the foster/ophanage range is a horrible place for a child to grow up in. My aunt and Uncle has two foster children who where in and out of ophanages and they had a horrible life. So if two loving adults want to take care of a child, who cares if they get bullied at school at least they will have someone who loves them at home..
On some cases I can agree that it's a good choise to let a gay couple to adopt a child, but many couples want to have their "own" child. Uterus* renting anyone?
*Anyone know a less medical word for it? Never used the word in english before
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I'm sorry the point of this was?..teddy..jimmy wrote:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/ … 1164129748JimG wrote:
That's beside the point. Homosexuals should at the very least have the exact same rights as everyone else on this planet, yes? So why not the right to have children.. When you bring in the facts proving everything your saying happens in the entire world and not JUST the US, then maybe you can generalise as you are doing...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Segregation is a different topic. Sure, it would be nice for gays to have kids and live normally as any other heterosexual couple but I am not thinking about the parent's happiness. I am saying that the kid will be disadvantaged due to to the society that we live in.
I am for gay couples having children if society was different and gay marriages were more accepted but unfortunately, it is not.
Children of homosexual parents will suffer from lack of rights and protections, economic protection and social problems.
How Is Having No Parents Worse Then Having Two Of The Same Gender Parents?
I am sticking to the matter at hand, that being his views on this topic.JimG wrote:
A civilised society is one where stating that another member of the human race is mentally retarded and a sick bastard. And I think you'll find I do have the right to criticize his insults. I need not know his culture or background, I just feel, this is me talking, that this is not acceptable. He can say it but we should all know it is wrong...teddy..jimmy wrote:
You have no right in criticizing his views without knowing his culture and background. Please define civilized society.JimG wrote:
Correct, I said that and i do believe that. ONLY BECAUSE HE SAID IT IN AN INSULTING MANNER WHICH DEMEANS HOMOSEXUALS AS A WHOLE. THOSE SORT OF INSULTS DO NOT BELONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY. He can believe what he wants, but has no right to insult them in that way.
Maybe you should stick to the matter at hand, especially since you posted the topic of debate.
No I think if you scroll up and look, your concentrating on MY views on his views on this topic...teddy..jimmy wrote:
I am sticking to the matter at hand, that being his views on this topic.JimG wrote:
A civilised society is one where stating that another member of the human race is mentally retarded and a sick bastard. And I think you'll find I do have the right to criticize his insults. I need not know his culture or background, I just feel, this is me talking, that this is not acceptable. He can say it but we should all know it is wrong...teddy..jimmy wrote:
You have no right in criticizing his views without knowing his culture and background. Please define civilized society.
Maybe you should stick to the matter at hand, especially since you posted the topic of debate.
cpt.fass1 wrote:
How Is Having No Parents Worse Then Having Two Of The Same Gender Parents?
..teddy..jimmy wrote:
Should homosexuals be allowed to have children through IVF even though the child will probably be bullied and stigmatized at school?
No, i am actually trying to defend his views. Is there anything wrong with that. Lets stick to the topic at hand please.JimG wrote:
No I think if you scroll up and look, your concentrating on MY views on his views on this topic...teddy..jimmy wrote:
I am sticking to the matter at hand, that being his views on this topic.JimG wrote:
A civilised society is one where stating that another member of the human race is mentally retarded and a sick bastard. And I think you'll find I do have the right to criticize his insults. I need not know his culture or background, I just feel, this is me talking, that this is not acceptable. He can say it but we should all know it is wrong.
Maybe you should stick to the matter at hand, especially since you posted the topic of debate.
This is not off topic. I think you'll find that comparisons need to be made...teddy..jimmy wrote:
cpt.fass1 wrote:
How Is Having No Parents Worse Then Having Two Of The Same Gender Parents?..teddy..jimmy wrote:
Should homosexuals be allowed to have children through IVF even though the child will probably be bullied and stigmatized at school?
Now you see, I dont tolerate that.IG-Calibre wrote:
What a stinking pile of prejudiced bigoted shite, many single parents do a wonderful job of raising healthy normal well adjusted adult human beings, why should 2 people of the same Gender not do the same? away and have a word with yourself. don't kid yourself "Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people" no you don't, you can hardly disguise your disdain, you're just a disgusting bigot..IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
Really, how dare you?
He expressed his opinion in a polite and respectful way.
And yet YOU come back and start launching abuse at him.
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION - Respect everyones opinion
Let him express himslef without you judging him for what he believes in.
That is why this world does not turn smoothly, because people cannot accept that not everyone thinks the same way as they do.
Single heterosexual individuals can have children. It's a similar situation to single parent families and I rarely see anyone arguing that single parents shouldn't be allowed to have children.motherdear wrote:
i don't think you can think of having children as a right for homos, i just think that the children will suffer and lack some input from men if it's lesbians and the other way around. i don't have anything against homos and them marrying i just think that it's sad for their child.
1. Marriage is not just about having children. There are many couples who cannot, and many who choose not to have children. So these people lack respect for the commandment to go forth and be like rabbits?IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
2. Many children currently grow up in single parent households. Even when the divorce is amicable, the children are often shuffled around between the parents. This isn't always the best thing for the child. When the divorce isn't amicable, things are even worse.
3. Your moral decisions about what you teach your children is just that, your moral decisions. To think that children of gay/lesbian parents would get lesser morals, or different morals, shows a rather self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
4. You're right that children should be raised by loving parents. However, not every child will have both parents, even in hetero relationships, so the love of the parent(s) is the important thing. To say that a child would get less love from a gay/lesbian couple again shows a pretty self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
So, are you going to stop lesbian women from getting pregnant? Are you going to stop gay men from getting a women pregnant? Are you going to stop single women who are not married, and don't want to get married from getting pregnant to have a child? Without some major rights violations the answer is quite simply, no. There are a lot of kids if foster care and could use a loving family, regardless of their sexual orientation.
As far as children being picked on for their parents sexuality, I don't see the problem. Children of hetero parents are being picked on. All of these school shootings that happened, were they children of gay couples, or were they children of hetero couples that got picked on for one reason or another?
Saying that children would be picked on is BS. Kids of hetero families are already picked on, so what's the point? Children are already sexually, physically, and mentally abused by hetero parents. Is this any better than being raised by caring gay/lesbian parents? Moral values vary, and just because they may vary from some one else's doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them different.
Excellent point! I completly agreeAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
1. Marriage is not just about having children. There are many couples who cannot, and many who choose not to have children. So these people lack respect for the commandment to go forth and be like rabbits?IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
2. Many children currently grow up in single parent households. Even when the divorce is amicable, the children are often shuffled around between the parents. This isn't always the best thing for the child. When the divorce isn't amicable, things are even worse.
3. Your moral decisions about what you teach your children is just that, your moral decisions. To think that children of gay/lesbian parents would get lesser morals, or different morals, shows a rather self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
4. You're right that children should be raised by loving parents. However, not every child will have both parents, even in hetero relationships, so the love of the parent(s) is the important thing. To say that a child would get less love from a gay/lesbian couple again shows a pretty self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
So, are you going to stop lesbian women from getting pregnant? Are you going to stop gay men from getting a women pregnant? Are you going to stop single women who are not married, and don't want to get married from getting pregnant to have a child? Without some major rights violations the answer is quite simply, no. There are a lot of kids if foster care and could use a loving family, regardless of their sexual orientation.
As far as children being picked on for their parents sexuality, I don't see the problem. Children of hetero parents are being picked on. All of these school shootings that happened, were they children of gay couples, or were they children of hetero couples that got picked on for one reason or another?
Saying that children would be picked on is BS. Kids of hetero families are already picked on, so what's the point? Children are already sexually, physically, and mentally abused by hetero parents. Is this any better than being raised by caring gay/lesbian parents? Moral values vary, and just because they may vary from some one else's doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them different.
Well, I am a parent of 3 children, and because I'm a man and my wife is a woman, there's already differences between gay parents that they cannot replicate. Further, when i show affection for my wife, I'm teaching my son how a man should treat a woman. Two women cannot replicate that. A mother and a father bring a balance to children of both nurturing and discipline in ways only the two sexes can do. This doesn't say that two lesbians can split up roles and one be the "man" type character. But it's simply not a natural thing for the woman to have the callousness that a man can have when lovingly disciplining a child. This is not an easy thing to articulate in word, so I apologize for not explaining it better. It's better witnessed than written.JimG wrote:
There's no reason to believe that just because their parents are homosexual that they will be brought up so much different then your future children. Gays want to be normal, and will probably bring up their children with liberal and accepting views. Just because they are brought up without a father (in this case) it doesnt mean they will have no male influence in their life. Just because the girls parents are gay won't mean the children will be gay.IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
In short, it's the examples of gay parents that will be learned from children, not the things they teach by word or command. A pair of lesbians can, in completely good will and in all fairness tell their children to chose for themselves a heterosexual life or a homosexual life (or bi for that matter), but like the hetero parents who do the same thing and are obviously biased in their example towards the hetero choice, so too are the homosexual ones who are challenged in this world, and rightly so, who will teach their children by example (stronger than words or command) that homosexuality is best.
Glad to see so much respect towards my honest and fair opinion! lol My responses are bolded and italicized above.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
1. Marriage is not just about having children. There are many couples who cannot, and many who choose not to have children. So these people lack respect for the commandment to go forth and be like rabbits?
Wonderful, thanks for pointing that out. However, I'm talking about the topic at hand and gave my opinion towards gay people having kids. If you wish to debate my opinions off that topic, please PM me.
2. Many children currently grow up in single parent households. Even when the divorce is amicable, the children are often shuffled around between the parents. This isn't always the best thing for the child. When the divorce isn't amicable, things are even worse.
Again, this is not topic of single parent households..it's about gays having kids. But to humor you and all the others who are reasoning away my valid opinion, I'll simply say that if there's a choice for a child, I believe the child would choose a man and a woman vs. two of the same sex. I would choose that for a child as well, and that is my opinion.
3. Your moral decisions about what you teach your children is just that, your moral decisions. To think that children of gay/lesbian parents would get lesser morals, or different morals, shows a rather self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
Well guess what, I guess I'm self-righteous and morally superior then, huh... Sorry you feel that way, but you're dead wrong. I do not elevate myself above others, but you obviously do if you are quick to judge me thus. This is why I've characterized myself correctly by suggesting that there's nothing wrong with my lesbian co-workers, even though I do not like their decisions. I know it's hard for a lot of you yahoos, but you can actually love people and hate their sins. If you understood christianity, you'd understand that that can actually happen. If you don't understand it, then you're arguing in vain.
4. You're right that children should be raised by loving parents. However, not every child will have both parents, even in hetero relationships, so the love of the parent(s) is the important thing. To say that a child would get less love from a gay/lesbian couple again shows a pretty self righteous and moral superiority on your part.
Again, not on topic, and you're putting words in my mouth because you didn't understand what i said.
So, are you going to stop lesbian women from getting pregnant? Are you going to stop gay men from getting a women pregnant? Are you going to stop single women who are not married, and don't want to get married from getting pregnant to have a child? Without some major rights violations the answer is quite simply, no. There are a lot of kids if foster care and could use a loving family, regardless of their sexual orientation.
Who said i wanted to stop it from happening. I believe I displayed sadness at their decision. I'd like to protect those children from being raised by gay parents, but it's not my choice or ability to do so.
As far as children being picked on for their parents sexuality, I don't see the problem. Children of hetero parents are being picked on. All of these school shootings that happened, were they children of gay couples, or were they children of hetero couples that got picked on for one reason or another?
....Did i suggest any of these things? No.
Saying that children would be picked on is BS. Kids of hetero families are already picked on, so what's the point? Children are already sexually, physically, and mentally abused by hetero parents. Is this any better than being raised by caring gay/lesbian parents? Moral values vary, and just because they may vary from some one else's doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them different.
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Since the vast majority of homosexuals come from heterosexual households does that mean that hetero parents have somehow "failed"?IRONCHEF wrote:
Well, I am a parent of 3 children, and because I'm a man and my wife is a woman, there's already differences between gay parents that they cannot replicate. Further, when i show affection for my wife, I'm teaching my son how a man should treat a woman. Two women cannot replicate that. A mother and a father bring a balance to children of both nurturing and discipline in ways only the two sexes can do. This doesn't say that two lesbians can split up roles and one be the "man" type character. But it's simply not a natural thing for the woman to have the callousness that a man can have when lovingly disciplining a child. This is not an easy thing to articulate in word, so I apologize for not explaining it better. It's better witnessed than written.
In short, it's the examples of gay parents that will be learned from children, not the things they teach by word or command. A pair of lesbians can, in completely good will and in all fairness tell their children to chose for themselves a heterosexual life or a homosexual life (or bi for that matter), but like the hetero parents who do the same thing and are obviously biased in their example towards the hetero choice, so too are the homosexual ones who are challenged in this world, and rightly so, who will teach their children by example (stronger than words or command) that homosexuality is best.
I would very much prefer that the child grow up interacting with a mother and father. That is nature’s way as proven by how humans reproduce. It’s a simple fact that two males or two females cannot naturally have children. I do not deny that gay couples can be just as loving as straight couples. However, the child will be deprived of interaction with a parent of the other sex and that aspect of their development will be lacking. So for IVF, no. However, in our society that aborts so many “unwanted” children, if gay couples want to adopt children, that is obviously better than abortion so I would support the adoption.
Everyone gets bullied and stigmatized in one way or another at school so that is not a primary concern in this issue. The children should be the consideration here, not the “rights” of the parents. The best thing for a child is a Mom and Dad. Not two Dads, not two Moms. The “rights” of the parents should not even be a factor.
All parents need to protect their children by taking the proper legal measures. At the very least, a will states who will take guardianship of the children and who inherits the money and assets of the estate. I don’t buy the bs line that the children of deprived of economic protection. Gay couples are not unique in the fact they need to take legal steps to ensure the future of their children.
Everyone gets bullied and stigmatized in one way or another at school so that is not a primary concern in this issue. The children should be the consideration here, not the “rights” of the parents. The best thing for a child is a Mom and Dad. Not two Dads, not two Moms. The “rights” of the parents should not even be a factor.
All parents need to protect their children by taking the proper legal measures. At the very least, a will states who will take guardianship of the children and who inherits the money and assets of the estate. I don’t buy the bs line that the children of deprived of economic protection. Gay couples are not unique in the fact they need to take legal steps to ensure the future of their children.
Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?IRONCHEF wrote:
Well, I am a parent of 3 children, and because I'm a man and my wife is a woman, there's already differences between gay parents that they cannot replicate. Further, when i show affection for my wife, I'm teaching my son how a man should treat a woman. Two women cannot replicate that. A mother and a father bring a balance to children of both nurturing and discipline in ways only the two sexes can do. This doesn't say that two lesbians can split up roles and one be the "man" type character. But it's simply not a natural thing for the woman to have the callousness that a man can have when lovingly disciplining a child. This is not an easy thing to articulate in word, so I apologize for not explaining it better. It's better witnessed than written.JimG wrote:
There's no reason to believe that just because their parents are homosexual that they will be brought up so much different then your future children. Gays want to be normal, and will probably bring up their children with liberal and accepting views. Just because they are brought up without a father (in this case) it doesnt mean they will have no male influence in their life. Just because the girls parents are gay won't mean the children will be gay.IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents. I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly. I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child. Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.
I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls. Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively. But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
In short, it's the examples of gay parents that will be learned from children, not the things they teach by word or command. A pair of lesbians can, in completely good will and in all fairness tell their children to chose for themselves a heterosexual life or a homosexual life (or bi for that matter), but like the hetero parents who do the same thing and are obviously biased in their example towards the hetero choice, so too are the homosexual ones who are challenged in this world, and rightly so, who will teach their children by example (stronger than words or command) that homosexuality is best.
There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?