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Poll

Is it exploitation of poor gamephysics to bunnyhop / barrelroll?

bunnyhopping is bugusing10%10% - 21
barrelrolling is bugusing1%1% - 3
both are bugusing10%10% - 20
none is. get used to poor hitboxes & adapt your aiming77%77% - 148
Total: 192
2007-01-10 10:35:27
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6925|pimelteror.de
I was argueing with friends about bunnyhopping and dolphindiving. My argument was, that the real BH and DD isn´t possible anymore, so to hop and go prone isn´t lame anymore, because you can´t do it the volx way (except of using macros). In my opinion, jumping and going prone is a defensive act and not some kind of lame behaviour. The oppositions argument was, that jumping and diving is a physics exploit, because of the bad hitreg, you can´t be shot that easy anymore, when you are jumping and diving - and that´s the reason why they still think, it is lame.

but what about doing barrel rolls with the chopper or even the jets? when you are barrelrolling, the choppers hitreg is way too slow, so you have to aim far behind the target, to hit it. when you are rolling, you try to avoid the enemy tv-missile - but you exploit the poor netcode this way, because it is harder, to hit the invisible hitbox, instead of the choppers model.

so what do you think:

if server-rules say: don´t bunnyhop! shouldn´t they also say:"don´t barrel roll!" ???
aren´t both things the same exploit?

i do jump and i do roll, but i am wondering, why it is ok to barrelroll and in the same sentence they flame about bunnyhopping?

discuss
2007-01-10 10:38:29
Simon
basically
+838|6930|UK
It's harder to hit a fast strafing chopper than it is to hit a rolling one and its not very hard to hit someone jumping, the hitboxes are only REALLY messed up on infantry when you strafe since the hitbox lags behind it.
2007-01-10 10:42:36
112505
Member
+5|6592
Proning in a close range fire fight is stupid. The first guy prones. The second guy starts firing and running circles around soon to be proned corpse while the prone person tries to get up  but there's a prone delay and if he tried to turn around his too slow still. Happens every time

Rolling at long range doesn't matter that much...You both have a good chance to take each other out.

Last edited by 112505 (2007-01-10 10:52:01)

2007-01-10 11:08:44
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6617|Twyford, UK
Bunnyhopping just looks dumb. Seriously, it doesen't work, it just confirms that yes, that dark lump IS a dude dressed as a bush over on that roof, and no, he hasn't spotted me yet. (burst burst burst dead reload rearm)
You're also too busy bouncing madly to shoot straight or escape, like the enemy commander I cornered in a bunker on Wake last night. Bouncing around like he had a spring up his arse, and actually prolonged his life by a second or two while his death caught up with him. (I emptied a DAO12 clip into him in the course of a couple of seconds, like you do. He continued bouncing, stopped, then dropped dead with an 'Urk!'.)

Barrelrolling... Ambivalent. Can actually be countered if you've got good enough aim. And really, if you're chopper duelling, you ain't doing yer damn job as a chopper-whore, which is to convert enemy armour into explosion.
That has overlaps with the jet-whore job, but they are primarily to stop other jet-whores from shrapnelling armour, stop chopper whores from raping everything that moves, knock flag-capping transport chopper squads out the sky, and taking out lone snipers/AT troops. In that order.
2007-01-10 11:10:45
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6902|Washington, DC

Bunny hopping is nowhere near what it was before 1.2. Players STILL bitching about it need to uninstall.
2007-01-10 11:24:46
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6617|Twyford, UK
I bitch because it looks dumb, it helps me kill you (Especially YOU, mister dressed-as-a-bush-in-the-middle-of-a-desert-town), and because it's purely defensive.
A well-timed snapshot to the head would be more effective.

Seriously, why aren't the snipers dressed as tumbleweed in the deserty maps?
2007-01-10 11:36:21
straz_mataz
Banned
+86|6807|Edmonton Alberta
i bunnyhop chuck medpacks and reload all at the same time.... is that exploiting? i dont think so


seriously if anybody complains about bunnyhopping in patch 1.41 go play 1.12 now theres a game with bunnyhopping in it

i think people that call bunnyhopping exploiting cant aim worth shit and5 are the same dumbass's that call flying solo in the chopper and shooting tv missles exploiting...
2007-01-10 11:44:47
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6893|London, England
I've just put it down to poor gamesmanship. Like diving in football/soccer. Sure it makes you win, but it's poor sportsmanship. I know most people don't care and just want to win, that's fine by them. I'll stick to PR where the community is less idiotic.







Well actually it's just the fact that guns are really powerful and accurate, so people don't even get the chance.
2007-01-10 13:20:44
Snipa Fox
Member
+21|6670|Brisbane, Australia

Hurricane wrote:

Bunny hopping is nowhere near what it was before 1.2. Players STILL bitching about it need to uninstall.
QFT


I only started it post 1.3, cause it was a bit silly and did seem like exploting before that.
2007-01-10 13:23:17
ig
This topic seems to have no actual posts
+1,199|6794

Hurricane wrote:

Bunny hopping is nowhere near what it was before 1.2. Players STILL bitching about it need to uninstall.
or go play 2142 and cry in those forums.

Last edited by =]-[f= ig88 (2007-01-10 13:25:30)

2007-01-10 13:37:20
nonexistentusmc
Member
+26|6717|Queens, NYC
Well I think bunnyhopping and dolphindiving are valid because if we were really getting shot at, we'd be doing the same thing we do in the game. It's just how our mind works. Why complain about something that nature gave you? I know I'd do more than BHing and DDing in real life combat, I sure as hell don't want to get hit by any projectiles. Same in game. Basically my answer to the above is NO, it's none. ;D
2007-01-10 13:40:17
switchbladezz
Member
+48|6890

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Bunnyhopping just looks dumb. Seriously, it doesen't work, it just confirms that yes, that dark lump IS a dude dressed as a bush over on that roof, and no, he hasn't spotted me yet. (burst burst burst dead reload rearm)
You're also too busy bouncing madly to shoot straight or escape, like the enemy commander I cornered in a bunker on Wake last night. Bouncing around like he had a spring up his arse, and actually prolonged his life by a second or two while his death caught up with him. (I emptied a DAO12 clip into him in the course of a couple of seconds, like you do. He continued bouncing, stopped, then dropped dead with an 'Urk!'.)

Barrelrolling... Ambivalent. Can actually be countered if you've got good enough aim. And really, if you're chopper duelling, you ain't doing yer damn job as a chopper-whore, which is to convert enemy armour into explosion.
That has overlaps with the jet-whore job, but they are primarily to stop other jet-whores from shrapnelling armour, stop chopper whores from raping everything that moves, knock flag-capping transport chopper squads out the sky, and taking out lone snipers/AT troops. In that order.
says the corpral...

the bunnyhopping part has silight validity, but the rest is completetly idiotic. barrle rolls are easy to hit, and choppers DO kill choppers, idc what a nub like u says.
2007-01-10 13:40:56
Des.Kmal
Member
+917|6890|Atlanta, Georgia, USA

=]-[f= ig88 wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

Bunny hopping is nowhere near what it was before 1.2. Players STILL bitching about it need to uninstall.
or go play 2142 and cry in those forums.
yeah, says the guy who cant play night maps.

oh btw, my answer was: none is. get used to poor hitboxes & adapt your aiming
Add me on Origin for Battlefield 4 fun: DesKmal
2007-01-10 13:47:53
Goven
/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿
+125|6753|Purdue

switchbladezz wrote:

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Bunnyhopping just looks dumb. Seriously, it doesen't work, it just confirms that yes, that dark lump IS a dude dressed as a bush over on that roof, and no, he hasn't spotted me yet. (burst burst burst dead reload rearm)
You're also too busy bouncing madly to shoot straight or escape, like the enemy commander I cornered in a bunker on Wake last night. Bouncing around like he had a spring up his arse, and actually prolonged his life by a second or two while his death caught up with him. (I emptied a DAO12 clip into him in the course of a couple of seconds, like you do. He continued bouncing, stopped, then dropped dead with an 'Urk!'.)

Barrelrolling... Ambivalent. Can actually be countered if you've got good enough aim. And really, if you're chopper duelling, you ain't doing yer damn job as a chopper-whore, which is to convert enemy armour into explosion.
That has overlaps with the jet-whore job, but they are primarily to stop other jet-whores from shrapnelling armour, stop chopper whores from raping everything that moves, knock flag-capping transport chopper squads out the sky, and taking out lone snipers/AT troops. In that order.
says the corpral...

the bunnyhopping part has silight validity, but the rest is completetly idiotic. barrle rolls are easy to hit, and choppers DO kill choppers, idc what a nub like u says.
Says the guy who can't spell corporal
2007-01-10 13:49:24
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6617|Twyford, UK

switchbladezz wrote:

says the corpral...

the bunnyhopping part has silight validity, but the rest is completetly idiotic. barrle rolls are easy to hit, and choppers DO kill choppers, idc what a nub like u says.
Do not confuse my lack of hours with lack of experience. I have been playing FPS games for longer than some people on this forum have been alive. I have studied actual combat tactics, the equipment used, and how it interacts in combat.
I also am most likely a good deal smarter than you.

Do not automatically discount my opinions because I have only owned the game for a few weeks.
2007-01-10 14:05:10
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6925
let me explain to you what a decent FPS game needs.

First off, Counter-Strike. As retarded as its player base is, much like that of BF2, you can't argue that there is plenty of skill to be had all the way up to the godlike status of some of the best players.
Now, in CS, you do not need to stand still to shoot. In fact, on many guns, your first shot is completely accurate. You can run around, be moving, and still be getting headshots. In other words, players can move around while shooting, and if they want to run nothing is stopping them, other than a well aimed shot from the opposition.

In Quake, you can run (read: bounce) around, all the while firing your ultra accurate railgun/rocket/blaster/etc. the fact that you are just as accurate while bouncing around as you are standing still makes for a very fun game: it is incredibly fast paced, and it takes a LOT of skill. Extreme accuracy from the guns in the game does not make it 'noobish', but far better, as the only factor is the players skill, and not luck.

In any populair FPS game the same principle goes: you can MOVE, at any time, and have proper accuracy too.

In Battlefield 2, you have to go prone to get high accuracy fast. However, in the older versions of BF2, going prone and getting back up again was instantaneous. And you could do all kinds of movements to stay in motion while still being prone. Thus, BF2 circumvented the principle of needing to stand to fire and still retain speed, by having these so-called "exploits".

Now, imagine if in Counter-Strike, you had to stand still for a full second before being able to fire accurately. And after you've fired, you have to wait another second before being able to move again. Thus, all shoot-outs become players simply standing still hoping their gun gets luckier first.

Enter 1.4



I hope you finally realise it now.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2007-01-10 14:12:08
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7081|Marathon, Florida Keys
lol everyone votes the 4th choice, most of them are the same crybaby morons who complained about going prone in midair a year ago, which got this game nerfed to hell.
https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g117/patton1337/stats.jpg
2007-01-10 14:24:44
switchbladezz
Member
+48|6890

Skorpy-chan wrote:

switchbladezz wrote:

says the corpral...

the bunnyhopping part has silight validity, but the rest is completetly idiotic. barrle rolls are easy to hit, and choppers DO kill choppers, idc what a nub like u says.
Do not confuse my lack of hours with lack of experience. I have been playing FPS games for longer than some people on this forum have been alive. I have studied actual combat tactics, the equipment used, and how it interacts in combat.
I also am most likely a good deal smarter than you.

Do not automatically discount my opinions because I have only owned the game for a few weeks.
now would be a good time for a good ol' /fail or \uninstall, but im not supposed to to be mean on these forums anymore. your kdr is .4 which is barley topped by your spm of 1. by far your falling point is your sniper(0-3) and assault rifle kdr(.3).

im usually not the one to judge by stats, but some on, how do you get stats that bad without being terrible at the game?

Apparently your experienced has nothing to do with your skill at the game, so go back to Black hawk down, or whatever pussy game you played before bf2. Also being a soldier in real life has not help you at all in video games, because on average when you meet and opponent you are killed before you can kill them.

and no, you arent smarter than me, not at video games, not at tactics, not at life.
2007-01-10 14:29:57
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6925
read my green post up there, and for lucifers sake have an arguement and not an insult slinging fest.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2007-01-10 14:32:34
switchbladezz
Member
+48|6890

SargeV1.4 wrote:

read my green post up there, and for lucifers sake have an arguement and not an insult slinging fest.
that would be to easy...
2007-01-10 14:37:47
|=-sL-=|.Cujucuyo.
Member
+26|6655|California

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

I was argueing with friends about bunnyhopping and dolphindiving. My argument was, that the real BH and DD isn´t possible anymore, so to hop and go prone isn´t lame anymore, because you can´t do it the volx way (except of using macros). In my opinion, jumping and going prone is a defensive act and not some kind of lame behaviour. The oppositions argument was, that jumping and diving is a physics exploit, because of the bad hitreg, you can´t be shot that easy anymore, when you are jumping and diving - and that´s the reason why they still think, it is lame.

but what about doing barrel rolls with the chopper or even the jets? when you are barrelrolling, the choppers hitreg is way too slow, so you have to aim far behind the target, to hit it. when you are rolling, you try to avoid the enemy tv-missile - but you exploit the poor netcode this way, because it is harder, to hit the invisible hitbox, instead of the choppers model.

so what do you think:

if server-rules say: don´t bunnyhop! shouldn´t they also say:"don´t barrel roll!" ???
aren´t both things the same exploit?

i do jump and i do roll, but i am wondering, why it is ok to barrelroll and in the same sentence they flame about bunnyhopping?

discuss
Bunny hopping is stupid, annoying and frankly makes you look retarded, on the other hand, barrel rolling is not so far fetched as bunny hopping is, so I don't see a problem with it, I rarely barrel roll because I forget to .
2007-01-10 14:46:33
Vub
The Power of Two
+188|6766|Sydney, Australia
How do you barrelroll? Honest question.

I've always thought that if the player presses "z" (ie go prone) whilst strafing left or right, it would look like they're barrelrolling to the opposition. But from the player's point of view it doesn't seem like this maneouvre gives them the same evasive advantage that is discussed here. So I'm thinking my version of barrelrolling might be different to yours.

So, again, how do you barrelroll?
2007-01-10 14:51:04
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6617|Twyford, UK

switchbladezz wrote:

Skorpy-chan wrote:

switchbladezz wrote:

says the corpral...

the bunnyhopping part has silight validity, but the rest is completetly idiotic. barrle rolls are easy to hit, and choppers DO kill choppers, idc what a nub like u says.
Do not confuse my lack of hours with lack of experience. I have been playing FPS games for longer than some people on this forum have been alive. I have studied actual combat tactics, the equipment used, and how it interacts in combat.
I also am most likely a good deal smarter than you.

Do not automatically discount my opinions because I have only owned the game for a few weeks.
now would be a good time for a good ol' /fail or \uninstall, but im not supposed to to be mean on these forums anymore. your kdr is .4 which is barley topped by your spm of 1. by far your falling point is your sniper(0-3) and assault rifle kdr(.3).

im usually not the one to judge by stats, but some on, how do you get stats that bad without being terrible at the game?

Apparently your experienced has nothing to do with your skill at the game, so go back to Black hawk down, or whatever pussy game you played before bf2. Also being a soldier in real life has not help you at all in video games, because on average when you meet and opponent you are killed before you can kill them.

and no, you arent smarter than me, not at video games, not at tactics, not at life.
Yes, my sniper and assault rifle stats suck. That's because when I first got into the game, I played medic and ran around healing because I couldn't hit worth crap. Assault is boring, and I vastly prefer AT or Support.
I never have liked or had any proficiency at sniping. Not in UT, both Halo games, multiple variants of half-life, or, in fact, anything. I prefer to see my enemy and kill him personally.

And I am not a soldier. I am not dumb enough to walk into a warzone because someone is paying me to. I study the stuff, I don't fucking USE it.

Also note the amount of hours on my account. If you looked up my death stats, you would find that a fair chunk of them are from artillery, bombings, falling off high places, and other assorted things I am still dealing with.
It's also because when I was still getting used to the game, my mouse used to crap out and cause me to spin around uselessly in combat situations due to it being cheap and useless. Having replaced it, I am improving rapidly. I also was not used to realistic combat, being more confident running around blowing people to shreds with a rocket launcher.

I play the game casually and for fun, not as a way to pad my stats as an obsessive penis-size compensation. I have other concerns, namely a social life and excercize.

YOUR stats, on the other hand, do not appear to register on BF2S. Got banned, did we? Less than 100 global points, have we?


Intelligence-wise, I most likely am smarter than you. I was an estimated 138 IQ aged 8. You probably don't even come close now.
2007-01-10 14:57:40
التعريفات
Squiggles
+102|6640|Cali
Bunyhopping dosen't work anymore, stop complaing about it.
2007-01-10 14:59:20
FrankieSpankie3388
Hockey Nut
+243|6802|Boston, MA
I don't like people who complain about jumping around and stuff. Hell, if it was real life and you were in a firefight, would you run and jump and shit to avoid their fire? I got to the point where if somebody says something like "It's not leap frog you fag" in the in-game chat I just laugh and don't even respond. The thing I just really hate is that people call it bunny hop. It's NOT bunny hopping. Bunny hopping was the original term used in Counter-Strike (before 1.4, you have to admit, it was a pretty good game at first, then 1.4 came and fucked it all up) and Quake for the idea of jumping in a certain way that allows you to move faster. You cannot technically bunny hop in this game since you don't move faster when you jump, you just slow down.

 

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