BF2S Forums Is one Tank Better

yes tbh it seems that way sometimes,thats why i go spec ops in tank and load the front with c4 and get dead close when fighting mec tank...then at least if i die...so does he

i do sometimes get called a c4 noob,wnker etc,but if im dieing...so is that mec c.nt and it helps me explosives tally

Kinda seems to me like the M1A (USMC) is a piece of junk.  You go over a six inch bump and lose a hit point.  If you have to travell some distance across uneven terrain, by the time you have to engage a MEC tank, you're already down like 4 or 5 hit points.  I prefer the MEC tank cuz I don't have to go 1 MPH to keep it from getting damaged before the fight.

I do realize that some parts of the Tank are weaker, like the sides, the back, the bottom, yea,yea,yea, I try but the MEC tank is always one stp Ahead it seems.

[Point_Blank]|= wrote:

PFCStenzel, how is your most used kit Special Forces but your most used gun is a sniper rifle

Because he has nearly 6 hours with C4.

Any one know how to delete a thread that i previously posted, please post it or send me a message, i new at this

If you read this websites info or anothers about the tank's, you'll find that if you use the MEC tank and fire at the Abram's (fatter tank) like...um...how should i explain...the wheels or the whatever they are, it will drain quicker.

Lets put some stats down.

US M1A2-SEP Abrams Main Battle Tank

M1 ABRAMS ARMAMENT

The main armament is the 120mm M256 smoothbore gun, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany. The 120mm gun fires the following ammunition: the M865 TPCSDS-T and M831 TP-T training rounds, the M8300 HEAT-MP-T and the M829 APFSDS-T which includes a depleted uranium penetrator. Textron Systems provides the Cadillac Gage gun turret drive stabilisation system.

The commander has a 12.7mm Browning M2 machine gun and the loader has a 7.62mm M240 machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially on the right hand side of the main armament.
DEPLETED URANIUM ARMOUR

The M1A1 tank incorporates steel encased depleted uranium armour. Armour bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.

One L8A1 six-barrelled smoke grenade discharger is fitted on each side of the turret. A smoke screen can also be laid by an engine operated system.

Russian T Series T-90S

ARMAMENT

The T-90S armament includes one 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes.

The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100m to 4,000m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.

Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.

SELF-PROTECTION

The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA).

The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system.

It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.

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The T-90 has some stronger points, if DICE/EA made the tanks with real statistics.
There is a mod called 'Reality' in which all tanks have the option to switch between SABOT (Arnament container with allows smaller caliber ammo to be fired from a larger caliber gn) and HEAT (High Explosive, Anti-Tank), that is something EA has to integrate. I would love to blast tanks with HEAT, than switch to SABOT and finish of some infantry.

The most annoying thing is that the tanks damage when riding over rough terrain.
In BF2, a stunt like the following would surely destroy your tank.

Last edited by Bernadictus (2006-01-17 17:34:54)

armin wrote:

hitthe t90 twice on trh tracks and he's out, the m1a2 needs 3 hits

On BF2:SF Warlord I always steal the T-90 as SAS. The T90 is smaller but better than the M1A2. Or it means im just a good tank player. My best effort has been taking on 2 M1A2's  & a LAV-25 and whooping one after the other.

If I could paint all killed M1A2's on my T-90 I would have to get another because it is already full.

Bernadictus wrote:

The T-90 has some stronger points, if DICE/EA made the tanks with real statistics.
There is a mod called 'Reality' in which all tanks have the option to switch between SABOT (Arnament container with allows smaller caliber ammo to be fired from a larger caliber gn) and HEAT (High Explosive, Anti-Tank), that is something EA has to integrate. I would love to blast tanks with HEAT, than switch to SABOT and finish of some infantry.

The most annoying thing is that the tanks damage when riding over rough terrain.
In BF2, a stunt like the following would surely destroy your tank.

You do realize, that SABOT is not intended to be used against infantry and will even do less to them then HEAT ammunition?

Actually, Tanks employ the following ammunitions today:

HE/HEP (High Explosive/High Explosive Plastic) which is commonly used to blast wholes into walls (somewhat a tank-fired Demo-Charge)

HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank, the successor of HEAP, High Explosive Armor Piercing), which is used primarily against lighter armored vehicles as APC's. Basically, it is a high explosive shapecharge.

APFSDS-T (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot - Tracer) This is what you called SABOT. This is the main ammunition in combat between Main Battle Tanks. It is also called "penetrator ammunition" since it does not detonate on impact. Basically, it is a big arrow (thus fin-stabilized) made out of either tungsten (very hard) and/or depleted uranium (very heavy).

As a matter of fact, the armor of modern MBT's reduce the effectiveness of HEAT ammunition drastically (Reactive Armor on the newer T-72, T-80 and T90 or composite armor (like Chobham Armor) on Tanks like the Challenger II or the M1 series or perforated armor (steel with ceramic filled cubic holes in the center) on the Leopard 2).
Since most composite armor relies on ceramics to a certain degree, this armor type is more brittle than steel armor and therefore kinectic penetrators are more effective here. To counter that, layers of rubber and, in some cases, depleted Uranium have been added there.

What you are looking for to kill infantry is shrapnel ammunition (sometime referred to as flechette ammunition or submunition cartridges)

Well... let me put it that way... the M1A2 is an armored high tech monster, that is almost impossible to maintain in the field anyway: here a comparison between the tanks currently in the game and announced for Euro Force Booster:

M1 Abrams
used by Marines, SEALS, SAS in BF2

General characteristics
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Length 7.92 m (26 ft)
Width 3.64 m (12 ft)
Height 2.43 m (8 ft)
Weight 69.5 tons (63.0 tonnes)

Armour and armament
Armour [classified]
Main armament M1: 105 mm uranium projectil gun
M1A1 and M1A2:
120 mm smoothbore gun
Secondary armament one M2 .50 BMG (12.7 mm) MG
and two M240 7.62 mm MG
1 pintle, 1 co-axial

Mobility
Power plant AGT-1500 turbine engine , Renk HSWL 354 transmission
1500 hp (1119 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 72 km/h (45 mph)
Power/weight hp/tonne
Range M1: 498 km (310 mi)
M1A1: 465 km (288 mi)
M1A2: 391 km (243 mi)


T-90S
used by MEC, MEC SF, Insurgents, Rebels in BF2

General characteristics
Crew 3
Length 9.53 m
Width 3.78 m
Height 2.22 m
Weight 46.5 tonnes

Armour and armament
Armour 830 mm RHAe vs. APFSDS, 1,350 vs. HEAT
Main armament 125mm smoothbore gun with ATGM capability
Secondary armament 7.62mm coaxial machine gun, 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun

Mobility
Power plant 12-cyl. diesel
1,000 hp (750 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 65 km/h
Power/weight 22 hp/tonne
Range 375 km, 550 km with external tanks


Type 98
used by PLA in BF2

General characteristics
Crew 3
Length 11.0 m
Width 3.4 m
Height 2.0 m
Weight 52 tonnes

Armour and armament
Armour 500 mm RHAe, 1,000 mm with ERA [citation needed]
Main armament 125mm smoothbore tank gun
Secondary armament 12.7mm commander's machine gun, 7.62mm coaxial machine gun

Mobility
Power plant liquid-cooled diesel
1,500 hp (1,100 kW)
Suspension torsion bar
Road speed 65 km/h
Power/weight 29 hp/tonne
Range 450 km, 600 km with external fuel


Challenger 2

General characteristics
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Length 8.3 m
Width 3.5 m
Height 2.5 m
Weight 62.5 tonnes, with added armour 70

Armour and armament
Armour Chobham (unspecified)
Main armament 120 mm L30A1 rifled gun
Secondary armament coaxial 7.62 mm L94A1 (chain gun)
7.62 mm L37A2 machine gun on roof (AA)

Mobility
Power plant Perkins CV-12 Diesel
1200 hp (895 kW)
Suspension hydropneumatic
Road speed 56 km/h (37 mph)
Power/weight hp/tonne
Range 450 km


Leopard 2A6EX

General characteristics
Length 7.72 m
Width 3.7 m
Height 3 m
Weight 62 t
Suspension torsion bar
Speed 70 km/h road
50 km/h off-road
Range 550 km

Primary armament 120 mm L55 smoothbore
Secondary armament 2 x 7.62 mm MG 3i
Armour [classified] mm
Power plant MTU MB 873 engine, Renk HSWL 354 transmission
1500 hp (1100 kW)
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)

Although the M1 is not the biggest tank, it is the heaviest one. Also it is the only one which uses a turbine engine which is heavier and more difficult and expensive to maintain than the conventional diesel. Also it tends to fail more in not ideal conditions.

Just a question, what do those real world tank stats being posted have to do with tank balance in the game?

I think they are decently balanced, against both tanks 2 shots to the treads will take them down. I think your just getting unlucky and the other tank is shooting you in more vulnerable spots.

http://www.secretsofbattlefield.com/tankvstank.html is a good image. The armor on all the tanks is the same in the same locations in the game. The only thing I could think of is the top of the turret is larger on a M1 so maybe its eaiser for the enemy to hit that when you fight head on?

The T-90 almost always has a supply box from a point hungry commander behind/beside it, anyway.