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2007-04-25 12:23:53
EVieira
Member
+105|6928|Lutenblaag, Molvania
Iraq has lost hundreds of thousands of civilians. That's right, hundreds of thousands.

Over 100,000 in 2004, mostly in air strikes, and 30,000+ just last year. How does that even compare to 9/11? The only bigger tragedy in recent history is the 2004 tsunami.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2007-04-25 12:26:15
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command
Do you believe everything you read?
2007-04-25 12:27:52
EVieira
Member
+105|6928|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ATG wrote:

Do you believe everything you read?
If you got sources that say otherwise, please pitch in...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2007-04-25 12:27:58
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7197|The United Center

ATG wrote:

Do you believe everything you read?
If it's on the internet, it must be true.
2007-04-25 12:28:03
l41e
Member
+677|7098

ATG wrote:

Do you believe everything you read?
How convenient that this would pop up here and now.
2007-04-25 12:31:19
EVieira
Member
+105|6928|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ThomasMorgan wrote:

ATG wrote:

Do you believe everything you read?
If it's on the internet, it must be true.
Wow, you guys are the best debater's I've ever seen. Completely destroyed my sources...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2007-04-25 12:31:57
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon
i love the press......not too terribly long ago "600,000 iraqis have died!!!!!!!".

what a great group of individuals.


/wrists
2007-04-25 12:38:09
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command
I was just asking...
2007-04-25 12:44:48
EVieira
Member
+105|6928|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ATG wrote:

I was just asking...
Sure... I'll pretend to believe that, and answer you: No I don't. But I do give the Guardian and CNN some credibility, don't you?

And can you name a recent disaster or war that has killed more civilians in the recent history?
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2007-04-25 12:49:14
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|7046|Michigan, USA
Well its not the war itself killing the civilians, not like troops are going door to door poping people like alot of people want to beleive.
2007-04-25 12:49:54
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7121|UK

Parker wrote:

i love the press......not too terribly long ago "600,000 iraqis have died!!!!!!!".

what a great group of individuals.


/wrists
Although i side with GunSlinger's on this particular topic i am still leaving my options open.  The people that have gone on record to lend credibility to the Lancet survey are not your average forum noob, in fact it was it was the UK Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser no less, and the UK Government was advised AGANIST publicly criticising this report.

So maybe cut back on one or two exclamation marks and save your wrists for another time....like BAN GUNS!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6495753.stm

Last edited by m3thod (2007-04-25 12:51:35)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-04-25 12:55:54
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon
"But the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust"."
taken out of your link.



"close to best practice" doesnt inspire confidence.....thats kind of like "we think iraq has WMDs" right?
ah well, all polls are correct.
i stand to be corr.......errrr wait.
2007-04-25 12:57:22
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6992|Texas - Bigger than France

EVieira wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

ATG wrote:

Do you believe everything you read?
If it's on the internet, it must be true.
Wow, you guys are the best debater's I've ever seen. Completely destroyed my sources...
Not Lancet again.  You wanted a counterpoint...

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/pr14.php

I would have put "Search" in here, but it seems the Lancet thread has been deleted.

Pretty much shows Lancet isn't a good source in my opinion.  But yeah, dead people are the result of a war if that was your point in the OP.
2007-04-25 12:58:58
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|7083|USA

EVieira wrote:

ATG wrote:

I was just asking...
Sure... I'll pretend to believe that, and answer you: No I don't. But I do give the Guardian and CNN some credibility, don't you?

And can you name a recent disaster or war that has killed more civilians in the recent history?
waht do you mean recent history? 20 million in WW2 on the soviet side alone.
2007-04-25 13:01:24
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6740|Éire
The fact is even if you take the bottom end estimates for deaths caused by the war it's still been a horrendous tragedy and much, much worse than 9/11.
2007-04-25 13:11:27
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6992|Texas - Bigger than France
People get killed in war.  War is a waste.  War is terrible.

What are we debating about?
2007-04-25 13:15:42
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7112|USA
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/ … index.html

Saw this a second ago. I think it could belong in this topic.
2007-04-25 13:17:15
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7121|UK

Parker wrote:

"But the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust"."
taken out of your link.



"close to best practice" doesnt inspire confidence.....thats kind of like "we think iraq has WMDs" right?
ah well, all polls are correct.
i stand to be corr.......errrr wait.
Robust is confidence injecting though isn't it?  Ministry of Defence is confidence inspiring isn't it? Chief scientific advisor perpetuates confidence doesn't it?

Let me put it this way, you swallowed the whole WMD wank like your nearest jizz deprived whore, i stated I'am leaving my options open....a chasm of difference.

Nevertheless, as B-man has posted 100,000 or 600,000....a lot of people blood spilled on the basis of the shit YOU fell for hook, line and sinker.

Time to contemplate, no?

ps

You didn't say you THINK Iraq had WMD, you went on to the UN security council to say he HAS WMD's.  At least get facts right little man.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-04-25 13:18:03)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-04-25 13:19:20
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7121|UK

Pug wrote:

People get killed in war.  War is a waste.  War is terrible.

What are we debating about?
Statistics.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-04-25 13:26:27
KnowMeByTrailOfDead
Jackass of all Trades
+62|7131|Dayton, Ohio
hold on, who is killing these people?  Insurgents with bombs...fair bet that if they were not using Iraq as a stage they would be using Afganistan and if not there then some where else.  This is not Iraqi's resisting occupation, this is not war, this is Terrorism from raticals.  If you think they would be sitting at home playing cards if the US was not in Iraq, you are sadly mistaken.
2007-04-25 13:28:52
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon

m3thod wrote:

Parker wrote:

"But the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust"."
taken out of your link.



"close to best practice" doesnt inspire confidence.....thats kind of like "we think iraq has WMDs" right?
ah well, all polls are correct.
i stand to be corr.......errrr wait.
Robust is confidence injecting though isn't it?  Ministry of Defence is confidence inspiring isn't it? Chief scientific advisor perpetuates confidence doesn't it?

Let me put it this way, you swallowed the whole WMD wank like your nearest jizz deprived whore, i stated I'am leaving my options open....a chasm of difference.

Nevertheless, as B-man has posted 100,000 or 600,000....a lot of people blood spilled on the basis of the shit YOU fell for hook, line and sinker.

Time to contemplate, no?

ps

You didn't say you THINK Iraq had WMD, you went on to the UN security council to say he HAS WMD's.  At least get facts right little man.
the fact is that the whole "WMD" BS was used because the majority of the planet likes to pussyfoot around and would be extremely butt hurt if they knew we went to take the fight to their backyard instead of ours.


i didnt swallow anything, i knew why we needed to go there.
you still hang up on WMDs being the reason we are there..........i love the news and people like you that are inspired by words such as "robust" and "ministry of defence" and polls. LOL
ya buddy, you stick with that confidence they posses you with.....at some point it might prove to be worthwhile.
2007-04-25 13:40:28
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6740|Éire

Parker wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Parker wrote:

"But the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the survey's methods were "close to best practice" and the study design was "robust"."
taken out of your link.



"close to best practice" doesnt inspire confidence.....thats kind of like "we think iraq has WMDs" right?
ah well, all polls are correct.
i stand to be corr.......errrr wait.
Robust is confidence injecting though isn't it?  Ministry of Defence is confidence inspiring isn't it? Chief scientific advisor perpetuates confidence doesn't it?

Let me put it this way, you swallowed the whole WMD wank like your nearest jizz deprived whore, i stated I'am leaving my options open....a chasm of difference.

Nevertheless, as B-man has posted 100,000 or 600,000....a lot of people blood spilled on the basis of the shit YOU fell for hook, line and sinker.

Time to contemplate, no?

ps

You didn't say you THINK Iraq had WMD, you went on to the UN security council to say he HAS WMD's.  At least get facts right little man.
the fact is that the whole "WMD" BS was used because the majority of the planet likes to pussyfoot around and would be extremely butt hurt if they knew we went to take the fight to their backyard instead of ours.


i didnt swallow anything, i knew why we needed to go there.
you still hang up on WMDs being the reason we are there..........i love the news and people like you that are inspired by words such as "robust" and "ministry of defence" and polls. LOL
ya buddy, you stick with that confidence they posses you with.....at some point it might prove to be worthwhile.
If only the people in the Bush administration were as open and honest as you about the real motives for the war in Iraq...

...if they were we'd be able to put them on trial for war crimes.
2007-04-25 13:42:48
EVieira
Member
+105|6928|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Pug wrote:

People get killed in war.  War is a waste.  War is terrible.

What are we debating about?
That the invasion promoted by the coalition and the instability caused by the inepcy in keeping control after topling the goverment has caused a number of death's comparable only, in recent events, to the 2004 tsunami.

And also, that as much as 9/11 was a terrible act, the Iraqi people have suffered much more than any american.

And to make your post any use to the topic, also that it is very easy to just say "war is bad" or "collateral damage" when the war is far from your home.

Last edited by EVieira (2007-04-25 13:43:26)

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2007-04-25 13:43:39
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6740|Éire

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

hold on, who is killing these people?  Insurgents with bombs...fair bet that if they were not using Iraq as a stage they would be using Afganistan and if not there then some where else.  This is not Iraqi's resisting occupation, this is not war, this is Terrorism from raticals.  If you think they would be sitting at home playing cards if the US was not in Iraq, you are sadly mistaken.
Well they must have been sitting at home playing cards because before the US showed up Saddam, love him or hate him, was able to keep them under control. The US have given the extremists the opportunity to run riot by reducing the country to a state of uncontrollable chaos.
2007-04-25 13:43:46
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon

Braddock wrote:

Parker wrote:

m3thod wrote:


Robust is confidence injecting though isn't it?  Ministry of Defence is confidence inspiring isn't it? Chief scientific advisor perpetuates confidence doesn't it?

Let me put it this way, you swallowed the whole WMD wank like your nearest jizz deprived whore, i stated I'am leaving my options open....a chasm of difference.

Nevertheless, as B-man has posted 100,000 or 600,000....a lot of people blood spilled on the basis of the shit YOU fell for hook, line and sinker.

Time to contemplate, no?

ps

You didn't say you THINK Iraq had WMD, you went on to the UN security council to say he HAS WMD's.  At least get facts right little man.
the fact is that the whole "WMD" BS was used because the majority of the planet likes to pussyfoot around and would be extremely butt hurt if they knew we went to take the fight to their backyard instead of ours.


i didnt swallow anything, i knew why we needed to go there.
you still hang up on WMDs being the reason we are there..........i love the news and people like you that are inspired by words such as "robust" and "ministry of defence" and polls. LOL
ya buddy, you stick with that confidence they posses you with.....at some point it might prove to be worthwhile.
If only the people in the Bush administration were as open and honest as you about the real motives for the war in Iraq...

...if they were we'd be able to put them on trial for war crimes.
see what i mean, the world is too civilized now.
i used to wish for a harry truman to come into office, now i realize he would be crucified anyway so whats the point?

 

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