Irony. QFT.Bertster7 wrote:
From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
I was just about to say. Irony is a word more people need to look up the meaning of.lowing wrote:
ya might wanna look up the word "irony". His sig goes right along with his posts since I have been reading him.Bertster7 wrote:
That's why it's funny. It's ironic.lowing wrote:
Of course he is allowed to joke, however, I guess there must be a difference of opinion as to whether or not his sig is meant as a joke. I am using a year and a half of his past posts to suggest he isn't. How 'bout you??
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.CameronPoe wrote:
Irony. QFT.Bertster7 wrote:
From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
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It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.CameronPoe wrote:
Irony. QFT.Bertster7 wrote:
From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
No. Because then it would be a literal expression of his views.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.CameronPoe wrote:
Irony. QFT.Bertster7 wrote:
From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's ironic for exactly the reasons I just outlined. I think you need to get a better grasp of what irony is, it might benefit your sense of humour.
(either that or you don't see the sig as showing Bush's slaughter of Arabs in a positive light, which it is obviously intended to do)
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You really must grab a dictionary and look up irony, while you are at it, see sarcasm.Bertster7 wrote:
No. Because then it would be a literal expression of his views.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.CameronPoe wrote:
Irony. QFT.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's ironic for exactly the reasons I just outlined. I think you need to get a better grasp of what irony is, it might benefit your sense of humour.
(either that or you don't see the sig as showing Bush's slaughter of Arabs in a positive light, which it is obviously intended to do)
I wish we could swap Scotland for one of the US atates you americans don't want. That woud be interesting. I think the Scots would go down a lot better in the US than in the UK and a nice little sunny state for us English to go to would be sweet
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.CameronPoe wrote:
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.CameronPoe wrote:
Irony. QFT.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
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The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.CameronPoe wrote:
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:
Which is exactly what is happening in this case.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??Bertster7 wrote:
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.CameronPoe wrote:
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:Which is exactly what is happening in this case.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
If yes.........you missed the message completely
If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.
This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.
It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.CameronPoe wrote:
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.
and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
When people say 'Love him or hate him...' it is followed by 'at least he did x, y or z', where x, y and z are positive acts.
The thing we have here is like a joke within a joke.
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....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.CameronPoe wrote:
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
Now now children...PM perhaps?lowing wrote:
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig. He's the equivalent of Bin Laden (well marginally better) as far as I can see.lowing wrote:
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
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I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.lowing wrote:
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??Bertster7 wrote:
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:Which is exactly what is happening in this case.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
If yes.........you missed the message completely
If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.
This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.
It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
That is why it is Ironic.
Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:
the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
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Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my orginal comment about the sig.CameronPoe wrote:
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.lowing wrote:
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!
It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admitance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my orginal question about it, we coulda moved on.
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.Bertster7 wrote:
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.lowing wrote:
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??Bertster7 wrote:
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.lowing wrote:
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:
Which is exactly what is happening in this case.
If yes.........you missed the message completely
If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.
This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.
It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
That is why it is Ironic.
Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.lowing wrote:
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my orginal comment about the sig.CameronPoe wrote:
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.lowing wrote:
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admitance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my orginal question about it, we coulda moved on.
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.lowing wrote:
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.Bertster7 wrote:
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.lowing wrote:
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??
If yes.........you missed the message completely
If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.
This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.
It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
That is why it is Ironic.
Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing lessCameronPoe wrote:
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.lowing wrote:
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my original comment about the sig.CameronPoe wrote:
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.
It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admittance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my original question about it, we coulda moved on.
I said that?? you are gunna have to show me that post.Bertster7 wrote:
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.lowing wrote:
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.Bertster7 wrote:
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.
That is why it is Ironic.
Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:
I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
lol, yeah, Cam and I agree on the message in the sig and what his intent of it was, but yeah, I missed it.
You only know what I mean by it because you have prior knowledge of my views. Nobody who condemns Bush would ever in their right mind wear a t-shirt like that. It would more than likely be worn by brazen anti-arab bigoted right wingers.lowing wrote:
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing lessCameronPoe wrote:
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.lowing wrote:
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my original comment about the sig.
It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admittance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my original question about it, we coulda moved on.
You did indeed.lowing wrote:
I said that?? you are gunna have to show me that post.Bertster7 wrote:
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.lowing wrote:
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.
I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
lol, yeah, Cam and I agree on the message in the sig and what his intent of it was, but yeah, I missed it.
Bit of misunderstanding all round though - as is probably the case now as well.
Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Scottish independence?lowing wrote:
Nope, it can't, two different meanings, sorry. lolBertster7 wrote:
Could be both.lowing wrote:
besides, if that were true, that would make me a hypocrite, NOT a bigot. I think you better ask Santa Claus for a dictionary this Christmas
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well Cam I do know you, and that is why I asked my orginal question about the sig. Instead of an answer I get 2 pages of whether or not it was a joke or not.CameronPoe wrote:
You only know what I mean by it because you have prior knowledge of my views. Nobody who condemns Bush would ever in their right mind wear a t-shirt like that. It would more than likely be worn by brazen anti-arab bigoted right wingers.lowing wrote:
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing lessCameronPoe wrote:
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.
