CameronPoe
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Bertster7 wrote:

From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
Irony. QFT.
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Of course he is allowed to joke, however, I guess there must be a difference of opinion as to whether or not his sig is meant as a joke. I am using a year and a half of his past posts to suggest he isn't. How 'bout you??
That's why it's funny. It's ironic.
ya might wanna look up the word "irony". His sig goes right along with his posts since I have been reading him.
I was just about to say. Irony is a word more people need to look up the meaning of.
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
Irony. QFT.
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-29 07:48:09)

CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
Irony. QFT.
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

From a literal perspective it seems to be commending Bush's slaughter of Arabs. Which is obviously quite contrary to Cameron's views on the topic.
Irony. QFT.
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
No. Because then it would be a literal expression of his views.

It's ironic for exactly the reasons I just outlined. I think you need to get a better grasp of what irony is, it might benefit your sense of humour.

(either that or you don't see the sig as showing Bush's slaughter of Arabs in a positive light, which it is obviously intended to do)

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-04-29 07:51:55)

lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Irony. QFT.
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
No. Because then it would be a literal expression of his views.

It's ironic for exactly the reasons I just outlined. I think you need to get a better grasp of what irony is, it might benefit your sense of humour.

(either that or you don't see the sig as showing Bush's slaughter of Arabs in a positive light, which it is obviously intended to do)
You really must grab a dictionary and look up irony, while you are at it, see sarcasm.
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I wish we could swap Scotland for one of the US atates you americans don't want. That woud be interesting. I think the Scots would go down a lot better in the US than in the UK and a nice little sunny state for us English to go to would be sweet
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Irony. QFT.
Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-29 07:59:23)

Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.

Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
Which is exactly what is happening in this case.
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.

Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
Which is exactly what is happening in this case.
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??

If yes.........you missed the message completely

If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.

This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.

It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ahhhh no............The irony and sarcasm would be if Cam thought Bush WASN'T a mass murderer, which of course he does.

and no I don't take it personally, I simply observe and comment on what I read and see. Nothing more nothing less.
It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!

When people say 'Love him or hate him...' it is followed by 'at least he did x, y or z', where x, y and z are positive acts.

The thing we have here is like a joke within a joke.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-29 08:13:01)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


It's about whether I think him being a mass murderer is a good or a bad thing. I think it's bad, the sig insinuates good.
The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
RicardoBlanco
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
Now now children...PM perhaps?
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there, thus, no joke either. It is how you feel.
Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig. He's the equivalent of Bin Laden (well marginally better) as far as I can see.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-29 08:21:25)

Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.

Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning
Which is exactly what is happening in this case.
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??

If yes.........you missed the message completely

If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.

This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.

It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.

That is why it is Ironic.

Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:

the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-04-29 08:18:48)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Yeah but it's suggesting that that's A GOOD THING!
....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my orginal comment about the sig.

It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admitance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my orginal question about it, we coulda moved on.
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

The sig, through sarcasm, suggests Bush is really a mass murderer and you agree with that. No irony there.
The sig presents it as positive. While there are obvious sarcastic undertones to that, it is the literal meaning of the words combined with the context of appearing in Cam's sig that makes it ironic.

Here's a nice little dictionary definition of irony for you:

Which is exactly what is happening in this case.
Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??

If yes.........you missed the message completely

If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.

This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.

It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.

That is why it is Ironic.

Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:

the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


....and do we not call that sarcasm?? Which turns it into a negative Cam, stop with this bullshit, I know as well as you what message you are trying to send out with that sig. Playing dumb really does not become you, at least stand up for it and what you mean by it.
Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my orginal comment about the sig.

It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admitance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my orginal question about it, we coulda moved on.
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Ok bottom line............DO you really take that sig as positive attitude toward Bush??

If yes.........you missed the message completely

If no..........then it is a negative attitude toward Bush which is the same message as Cam's which means no irony and no joke.

This is a message of sarcasm, saying Bush is bad by suggesting the absurd and making him out to be good.

It is what it is, Cam feels how he feels, why the defense?? You, Cam, and I all know what this sig is meant to suggest. So get over the weak defense of this issue. It doesn't work.
I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.

That is why it is Ironic.

Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:

the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.

I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Of course I believe Bush is a mass murdering son of a bitch. No-one ever thought otherwise and I never claimed otherwise. I just wanna know what you've got against the sig.
Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my original comment about the sig.

It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admittance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my original question about it, we coulda moved on.
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing less
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


I do really take the literal meaning of that sig as a positive attitude towards Bush. Absolutely.

That is why it is Ironic.

Since you seem to be having difficulty differentiating between what sarcasm and irony are, here's a little example from a dictionary:
If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.

I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
I said that?? you are gunna have to show me that post.

lol, yeah, Cam and I agree on the message in the sig and what his intent of it was, but yeah, I missed it.
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


Nothing, it just now comes full circle to my original comment about the sig.

It isn't a joke, this is how you feel. Your admittance of this is all I am looking for. If you and Bertster7 wouldn't have tried to tap dance around the meaning of the sig and answered my original question about it, we coulda moved on.
The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing less
You only know what I mean by it because you have prior knowledge of my views. Nobody who condemns Bush would ever in their right mind wear a t-shirt like that. It would more than likely be worn by brazen anti-arab bigoted right wingers.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

If you take that as a positive attitude toward Bush then you need to PM Cam and have him tell you what HE meant by the sig. Cuz, this is one boat you missed completely.
Nope. You clearly just don't understand it. Either that or you have no concept of how to express your thoughts on the matter with the right words. You've shown that you don't understand the concepts of sarcasm and irony and seem to have no concept of how to use the literal meaning of words to express other sentiments.

I've been through all this dictionary nonsense with you about different words before. It always ends the same same way. Remember how you said it was impossible to be a hypocrite and a bigot?
I said that?? you are gunna have to show me that post.

lol, yeah, Cam and I agree on the message in the sig and what his intent of it was, but yeah, I missed it.
You did indeed.
Bit of misunderstanding all round though - as is probably the case now as well.

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

besides, if that were true, that would make me a hypocrite, NOT a bigot. I think you better ask Santa Claus for a dictionary this Christmas
Could be both.
Nope, it can't, two different meanings, sorry. lol
Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Scottish independence?

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-04-29 08:40:27)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


The sig IS a joke though. It is a joking way of alluding to my view. The sig condones Bush's killing of Arabs, which I am against therefore it is ironic that I carry the sig as someone who doesn't know me might take me for a rabid right-wing sectarian bigot.
I know what the sig's message is Cam, and that makes my original question about the sig relevant. Nothing more nothing less
You only know what I mean by it because you have prior knowledge of my views. Nobody who condemns Bush would ever in their right mind wear a t-shirt like that. It would more than likely be worn by brazen anti-arab bigoted right wingers.
well Cam I do know you, and that is why I asked my orginal question about the sig. Instead of an answer I get 2 pages of whether or not it was a joke or not.
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