EDIT: The first sentence is a Rhetoric which cannot be achieved, but which is also the only solution, this is by no means a hate rant. Read through this topic with an open mind. This argument does not promote violence.
Remove the state of Israel. All this terrorist business started when Britain and the US began supporting Israel. There was NO aggressiveness between the US and Islam before the state of Israel came into existence. Even if Israel is dissolved or conquered it might be too late to stop the hate the Iraqi and Palestinian kids have for you now. Suicide in any form is NOT allowed in Islam. Suicide bombers are people who either have really no other choice for vengeance (are incapable of achieving justice in any other form), or they are just the sadists of that community.
Islam does however condone violence, BUT only if you are attacked or invaded, which then grants you permission to hunt you down where ever you are so you DO NOT pose a threat again. People need to stop reading the Quraan with the intention of proving your suspicion and just listen to what it is telling you. If you are a Christian, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, you American idiots. Every community in the world has developed GOOD SOLUTIONS a.k.a. religious moralities, which suits and was meant to deal with their specific problems. IE: Religions were born out of need. The middle east might of been a dark place if it were not the moral STRICTNESS of Islam. It is ONLY in this century (20th for you younglings) that misguided Muslims have attacked civilians without proper cause. And I have stated why the reason above why it has begun.
You may say that the Turks have tried to conquer Europe many times, but it has been the same intention of every civilization in Europe to do the same to the rest of the world, and with WORSE treatment that what the Turks have given you. All religions are meant for the good of society. I certainly see Christianity as only this century weeding out its flaws. For CENTURIES since the Holy Roman Empire was founded, has the Church oppressed the people, taken slaves under Jesus name, tortured rival Christians for personal satisfaction in the inquisition. God save Martin Luther! The Jews aren't devil's either, just scapegoats for hate mongers who are insecure and need to find their validity by trampling on the weak.
The Jews however have been steadily exploiting the Palestinian peoples inability to sustain themselves (since they have lost so much land), causing a slow exodus of Palestinians to leave their homes to take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries.
I am sure that those of you who have had a loved one murdered, robbed, raped or committed adultery (IE: Cheating on your spouse, for you idiots out there) would wish for the same punishments Islam makes provision for. Your American media once again doesn't inform you about the full story of the PROCEDURE of punishment (oh what is this, did I say procedure? YES PROCEDURE, not some rogue act by a group you nuts), and that it can only be pursued in a court. Must have witnesses, and the family of the victim must choose between blood money (which is the appropriate punishment for the crime) or forgiveness. There are rogue groups in Islam just as there are in Christianity (I'd say pretty much more so here), Judaism, that hindu-buddist religion as well.
Americans SHOULD BE VERY WARY of what you are told on your televisions. People from all over the world agree that you Americans are fed FEAR daily through your media, for no other purpose besides making a profit. People always want something to hate, something to place your inadequacies on. Most of the time people view a subject with an objective in mind. IE: If you read something, it doesn't matter what it says, you will somehow draw from that piece what you want it to be. The American Media uses the principle to draw the American masses. Just look at your history. Before Muslims were the Russians (Soviets), before the Soviets were the Nazi's, before the Nazi's were the Spanish, before the Spanish were the British and NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS, dare I mention the fear of BLACK PEOPLE and how you treated them? Throughout history, every civilization HAD SOMEONE TO HATE.
It is now becoming a global community and people should wake up. These old forms of Religion are the PAST, man needs to look into a new direction with Science as a guide to understanding the Universe, God, the beneifits morality. The FACT is, humanity has progressed more with Science and Human Consideration and Understanding than what mythic Religions have restricted us to. No DOUBT, the past few centuries of human advancement has progressed with a steady decline of Ritual Religious influence. That says something doesn't it. Don't get me wrong I am not denying God. There is no God but God. And we are probably not the only INTELLIGENT SPECIES in this Universe. So we are not UNIQUELY special, but in fact, we are all equal. I could go on and on with my random thoughts, but I just wanted to enlighten some of you here to THE TRUTH.
From a South African Muslim who has begun to see...
Sparx.
Remove the state of Israel. All this terrorist business started when Britain and the US began supporting Israel. There was NO aggressiveness between the US and Islam before the state of Israel came into existence. Even if Israel is dissolved or conquered it might be too late to stop the hate the Iraqi and Palestinian kids have for you now. Suicide in any form is NOT allowed in Islam. Suicide bombers are people who either have really no other choice for vengeance (are incapable of achieving justice in any other form), or they are just the sadists of that community.
Islam does however condone violence, BUT only if you are attacked or invaded, which then grants you permission to hunt you down where ever you are so you DO NOT pose a threat again. People need to stop reading the Quraan with the intention of proving your suspicion and just listen to what it is telling you. If you are a Christian, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, you American idiots. Every community in the world has developed GOOD SOLUTIONS a.k.a. religious moralities, which suits and was meant to deal with their specific problems. IE: Religions were born out of need. The middle east might of been a dark place if it were not the moral STRICTNESS of Islam. It is ONLY in this century (20th for you younglings) that misguided Muslims have attacked civilians without proper cause. And I have stated why the reason above why it has begun.
You may say that the Turks have tried to conquer Europe many times, but it has been the same intention of every civilization in Europe to do the same to the rest of the world, and with WORSE treatment that what the Turks have given you. All religions are meant for the good of society. I certainly see Christianity as only this century weeding out its flaws. For CENTURIES since the Holy Roman Empire was founded, has the Church oppressed the people, taken slaves under Jesus name, tortured rival Christians for personal satisfaction in the inquisition. God save Martin Luther! The Jews aren't devil's either, just scapegoats for hate mongers who are insecure and need to find their validity by trampling on the weak.
The Jews however have been steadily exploiting the Palestinian peoples inability to sustain themselves (since they have lost so much land), causing a slow exodus of Palestinians to leave their homes to take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries.
I am sure that those of you who have had a loved one murdered, robbed, raped or committed adultery (IE: Cheating on your spouse, for you idiots out there) would wish for the same punishments Islam makes provision for. Your American media once again doesn't inform you about the full story of the PROCEDURE of punishment (oh what is this, did I say procedure? YES PROCEDURE, not some rogue act by a group you nuts), and that it can only be pursued in a court. Must have witnesses, and the family of the victim must choose between blood money (which is the appropriate punishment for the crime) or forgiveness. There are rogue groups in Islam just as there are in Christianity (I'd say pretty much more so here), Judaism, that hindu-buddist religion as well.
Americans SHOULD BE VERY WARY of what you are told on your televisions. People from all over the world agree that you Americans are fed FEAR daily through your media, for no other purpose besides making a profit. People always want something to hate, something to place your inadequacies on. Most of the time people view a subject with an objective in mind. IE: If you read something, it doesn't matter what it says, you will somehow draw from that piece what you want it to be. The American Media uses the principle to draw the American masses. Just look at your history. Before Muslims were the Russians (Soviets), before the Soviets were the Nazi's, before the Nazi's were the Spanish, before the Spanish were the British and NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS, dare I mention the fear of BLACK PEOPLE and how you treated them? Throughout history, every civilization HAD SOMEONE TO HATE.
It is now becoming a global community and people should wake up. These old forms of Religion are the PAST, man needs to look into a new direction with Science as a guide to understanding the Universe, God, the beneifits morality. The FACT is, humanity has progressed more with Science and Human Consideration and Understanding than what mythic Religions have restricted us to. No DOUBT, the past few centuries of human advancement has progressed with a steady decline of Ritual Religious influence. That says something doesn't it. Don't get me wrong I am not denying God. There is no God but God. And we are probably not the only INTELLIGENT SPECIES in this Universe. So we are not UNIQUELY special, but in fact, we are all equal. I could go on and on with my random thoughts, but I just wanted to enlighten some of you here to THE TRUTH.
From a South African Muslim who has begun to see...
Sparx.
Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 10:29:08)
