Sparx
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EDIT: The first sentence is a Rhetoric which cannot be achieved, but which is also the only solution, this is by no means a hate rant. Read through this topic with an open mind. This argument does not promote violence.

Remove the state of Israel. All this terrorist business started when Britain and the US began supporting Israel. There was NO aggressiveness between the US and Islam before the state of Israel came into existence. Even if Israel is dissolved or conquered it might be too late to stop the hate the Iraqi and Palestinian kids have for you now. Suicide in any form is NOT allowed in Islam. Suicide bombers are people who either have really no other choice for vengeance (are incapable of achieving justice in any other form), or they are just the sadists of that community.

Islam does however condone violence, BUT only if you are attacked or invaded, which then grants you permission to hunt you down where ever you are so you DO NOT pose a threat again. People need to stop reading the Quraan with the intention of proving your suspicion and just listen to what it is telling you. If you are a Christian, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, you American idiots. Every community in the world has developed GOOD SOLUTIONS a.k.a. religious moralities, which suits and was meant to deal with their specific problems. IE: Religions were born out of need. The middle east might of been a dark place if it were not the moral STRICTNESS of Islam. It is ONLY in this century (20th for you younglings) that  misguided Muslims have attacked civilians without proper cause. And I have stated why the reason above why it has begun.

You may say that the Turks have tried to conquer Europe many times, but it has been the same intention of every civilization in Europe to do the same to the rest of the world, and with WORSE treatment that what the Turks have given you. All religions are meant for the good of society. I certainly see Christianity as only this century weeding out its flaws. For CENTURIES since the Holy Roman Empire was founded, has the Church oppressed the people, taken slaves under Jesus name, tortured rival Christians for personal satisfaction in the inquisition. God save Martin Luther! The Jews aren't devil's either, just scapegoats for hate mongers who are insecure and need to find their validity by trampling on the weak.

The Jews however have been steadily exploiting the Palestinian peoples inability to sustain themselves (since they have lost so much land), causing a slow exodus of Palestinians to leave their homes to take refuge in the neighboring Arab countries.

I am sure that those of you who have had a loved one murdered, robbed, raped or committed adultery (IE: Cheating on your spouse, for you idiots out there) would wish for the same punishments Islam makes provision for. Your American media once again doesn't inform you about the full story of the PROCEDURE of punishment (oh what is this, did I say procedure? YES PROCEDURE, not some rogue act by a group you nuts), and that it can only be pursued in a court. Must have witnesses, and the family of the victim must choose between blood money (which is the appropriate punishment for the crime) or forgiveness. There are rogue groups in Islam just as there are in Christianity (I'd say pretty much more so here), Judaism, that hindu-buddist religion as well.

Americans SHOULD BE VERY WARY of what you are told on your televisions. People from all over the world agree that you Americans are fed FEAR daily through your media, for no other purpose besides making a profit. People always want something to hate, something to place your inadequacies on. Most of the time people view a subject with an objective in mind. IE: If you read something, it doesn't matter what it says, you will somehow draw from that piece what you want it to be. The American Media uses the principle to draw the American masses. Just look at your history. Before Muslims were the Russians (Soviets), before the Soviets were the Nazi's, before the Nazi's were the Spanish, before the Spanish were the British and NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS, dare I mention the fear of BLACK PEOPLE and how you treated them? Throughout history, every civilization HAD SOMEONE TO HATE.

It is now becoming a global community and people should wake up. These old forms of Religion are the PAST, man needs to look into a new direction with Science as a guide to understanding the Universe, God, the beneifits morality. The FACT is, humanity has progressed more with Science and Human Consideration and Understanding than what mythic Religions have restricted us to. No DOUBT, the past few centuries of human advancement has progressed with a steady decline of Ritual Religious influence. That says something doesn't it. Don't get me wrong I am not denying God. There is no God but God. And we are probably not the only INTELLIGENT SPECIES in this Universe. So we are not UNIQUELY special, but in fact, we are all equal. I could go on and on with my random thoughts, but I just wanted to enlighten some of you here to THE TRUTH.

From a South African Muslim who has begun to see...
Sparx.

Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 10:29:08)

Cybargs
Moderated
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How must one remove an entire country...
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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7092

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

How must one remove an entire country...
a giant eraser.  maybe some white out?
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7110|USA

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

How must one remove an entire country...
A-tothe-bomb biatches!
daffytag
cheese-it!
+104|7023
Not every Iranian is a terrorist.
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7212|Dallas

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

How must one remove an entire country...
A-tothe-bomb biatches!
I know how to make me care.

It's called a grammar/paragraph bomb.  Until you learn how not to make a manifesto that looks like this....

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Teebaggs1
X-LG Member
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Cliff notes plz
ATG
Banned
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Did you register here just to call for the destruction of Israel?

GTFO
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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Teebaggs1 wrote:

Cliff notes plz
pretty much saying Hitler was right and the jews are evil.


or was it the jews were right and hitler was evil?


or hitler was an evil jew?

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-05-07 09:24:15)

Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7212|Dallas

ATG wrote:

Did you register here just to call for the destruction of Israel?

GTFO
LOL, who registers on a BF2 stats website to call for the destruction of Israel?

We can't even control LOLCATS, much less terrorism here.  lol
keghog
Member
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Or for every american or European killed by terrorists we can nuke an entire muslim populated city of our choice. That would be a win-win situation.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7069|London, England
We just got two new people joining us. One calling for the Destruction of Israel and the other (the dude that posted above me, keghog) calling for the nuking of muslim citys for every American or European killed.

Sophisticated spam attacks
Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6681|Albion
"Suicide bombers are people who either have really no other choice for vengeance (are incapable of achieving justice in any other form)"

the whole thing is way too long but this particular phrase caught my eye.

part of the solution to terrorism will come when people of all distinctions realise that vengeance and justice are wholly incompatible.
ATG
Banned
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Vernedead wrote:

"Suicide bombers are people who either have really no other choice for vengeance (are incapable of achieving justice in any other form)"

the whole thing is way too long but this particular phrase caught my eye.

part of the solution to terrorism will come when people of all distinctions realise that vengeance and justice are wholly incompatible.
Sometimes vengeance is justified.
Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6681|Albion
if that is your philosophy, of course then their vengeance for your vengeance is justified isn't it?

Last edited by Vernedead (2007-05-07 09:54:01)

Sparx
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WOW, you people must understand that things need to be EXPLAINED. You CANT EXPECT an instant RESOLUTION WHEN DEALING WITH RELIGION. Because it doesn't make sense in this world. Most of the people who have posted already have not understood my argument. You read the first line and your conclusion is drawn.

DOWN with religion and everyone can live in peace I say! People can live successful lives without the insensible restraint which Religion is.

Oh and you noob jews who get a fit when I called for Israel to be removed... it's a rhetoric. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. That is the only solution, and that is the solution that cannot be achieved. I'm not calling on killing people. Terrorism will not cease because Israel exists, and Islam dictates that people must keep fighting to regain their land, and fight them wherever you can until they no longer pose a threat.

The POINT IS, terrorism will not be won because religion does not allow it (Israel occupied muslim land, Islam states that u must keep fighting to retake the land), and Americans are drawn into this because you sell arms to Israel.

I AM just stating THE OBVIOUS silent truth. No-one wants to say this, but it is true.

Therefore the only solution is to wake up from this COMA religion has put us into. Religion had it's benefits, but we need no longer to cling to it.

Please, intelligent discussion.

Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 09:59:24)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina
Ok, when you start a post with "Remove the state of Israel", that is not serious, therefore I didn't bother to read the rest of it.
Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6681|Albion

Sparx wrote:

WOW, you people must understand that things need to be EXPLAINED. You CANT EXPECT an instant RESOLUTION WHEN DEALING WITH RELIGION. Because it doesn't make sense in this world. Most of the people who have posted already have not understood my argument. You read the first line and your conclusion is drawn. DOWN with religion and everyone can live in peace!

Oh and you noob jews who get a fit when I called for Israel to be removed... it's a rhetoric. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. That is the only solution, and that is the solution that cannot be achieved. I'm not calling on killing people. Terrorism will not cease because Israel exists, and Islam dictates that people must keep fighting to regain their land, and fight them wherever you can until they no longer pose a threat.

The POINT IS, terrorism will not be won because religion does not allow it (Israel occupied muslim land, Islam states that u must keep fighting to retake the land), and Americans are drawn into this because you sell arms to Israel.

I AM just stating THE OBVIOUS silent truth. No-one wants to say this, but it is true.

Therefore the only solution is to wake up from this COMA religion has put us into. Religion had it's benefits, but we need no longer to cling to it.

Please, intelligent discussion.
ok you've viciously over-simplifed the whole thing so it revolves around a single issue (religion) and then stated that you are a genius for coming up with the solution that you admit is unworkable to a problem that you've only loosely based on reality.

kudos
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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Sparx wrote:

WOW, you people must understand that things need to be EXPLAINED. You CANT EXPECT an instant RESOLUTION WHEN DEALING WITH RELIGION. Because it doesn't make sense in this world. Most of the people who have posted already have not understood my argument. You read the first line and your conclusion is drawn.

DOWN with religion and everyone can live in peace I say! People can live successful lives without the insensible restraint which Religion is.

Oh and you noob jews who get a fit when I called for Israel to be removed... it's a rhetoric. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. That is the only solution, and that is the solution that cannot be achieved. I'm not calling on killing people. Terrorism will not cease because Israel exists, and Islam dictates that people must keep fighting to regain their land, and fight them wherever you can until they no longer pose a threat.

The POINT IS, terrorism will not be won because religion does not allow it (Israel occupied muslim land, Islam states that u must keep fighting to retake the land), and Americans are drawn into this because you sell arms to Israel.

I AM just stating THE OBVIOUS silent truth. No-one wants to say this, but it is true.

Therefore the only solution is to wake up from this COMA religion has put us into. Religion had it's benefits, but we need no longer to cling to it.

Please, intelligent discussion.
so your kinda saying "This school bully will leave us alone as long as we dont bring our lunch money with us"


sorry.  you should have posted this in the other million threads about israel and what not.  dont blame us for not taking this garbage seriously when you have nothing new to offer to the table.
mr.hrundi
Wurstwassereis
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keghog wrote:

Or for every american or European killed by terrorists we can nuke an entire muslim populated city of our choice. That would be a win-win situation.
but only if you are one of those killed by terrorists.
Sparx
Member
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No Verne,

Unlike you I at least took the initiative to register, (after I saw the topic about racism and all the other stuff it lead to, on the main page of the site which I use to check my stats), and try to explain my view.

Please do not make this about me or you. That is the only solution I see. IMO religion has is double edged. I have not come here to engage in scalping session on anyone, like you must have. This might not be serious to you or me, but just what about parents who lost sons and daughters in Iraq, Palestine and elsewhere because of religion?

AND Please do not try and sketch a comprehensive mind maze around this topic just to blunt me.

Thank you.

Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 10:11:35)

Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6681|Albion
silly me, I signed up share my knowledge of battlefield 2.

I think the points i've made stand.

i've said my last words on the subject.
Sparx
Member
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I've edited my first post now it should be readable (Paragraphed). It was just random thoughts at first.

Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 10:30:52)

G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7074|Sea to globally-cooled sea
I see removing the state of israel as treating the symptom, not finding a cure.

Besides, what do the Israelis have to say about that?

I say, remove the Islam Militants.  So there.
Sparx
Member
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My cure would be the removal of the Three Religions and the use of Instinctive Morality.

Last edited by Sparx (2007-05-07 10:40:06)

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