BF2S Forums Hearts & Minds: An Iraqi Feel-Good Story

Puts it all quite well..........

CameronPoe wrote:

They're both equally bad - killing civilians = killing civilians = killing civilians. You're asking me 'which murder is best?'. lol

I think this is the part where we start getting into logical disconnect territory, where "War is hell, civilians get killed in war" is uttered in almost the same breath as "They're bad because they kill civilians". Then we're supposed to see that while intentionally bombing a crowded civilian area with a few pounds of Semtex is wrong and evil, intentionally bombing a crowded civilian area using either aircraft or artillery is okay fine. It's interesting how once an armed force reaches a certain level of technological sophistication, civilian casualties reclassify from "atrocity" to "statistic" and you can palm off those statistics by saying you weren't intentionally targetting them. Obviously their fault for living somewhere that a war could break out.

Kmarion wrote:

No it doesn't. Unfortunately it only takes one act of hypocrisy to diminish 100 acts of kindness.

You marched in, destroyed most of their infrastructure, and started a massive and brutal civil war after decades of fomenting conflict with Iran.

You don't think maybe the acts of kindness are just overdue "sorry for screwing you over" payments?

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-05-11 08:04:41)

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Pissing, killing, human bomb, car bomb, rockets......

Tell me which one is worse?

They're both equally bad - killing civilians = killing civilians = killing civilians. You're asking me 'which murder is best?'. lol

lol lol lol lol lol.....Are you going to say lol after everything like some school girl?

I asked you what was worse, getting killed or getting pissed on.  If they are equally just as bad, you basically justify Palestinians blowing shit up.  So it seems you do not have an issue with the act, but the people performing the act.

And HOS, that is not what I was saying at all, please read again.

lol

PS The guy pissed on the guy he'd just murdered.

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

They're both equally bad - killing civilians = killing civilians = killing civilians. You're asking me 'which murder is best?'. lol

lol lol lol lol lol.....Are you going to say lol after everything like some school girl?

I asked you what was worse, getting killed or getting pissed on.  If they are equally just as bad, you basically justify Palestinians blowing shit up.  So it seems you do not have an issue with the act, but the people performing the act.

And HOS, that is not what I was saying at all, please read again.

lol

PS The guy pissed on the guy he'd just murdered.

I know.  Say he didn't piss on him, would it be ok with you? 

Like I said, you seem to care more about WHO does the killing, rather then care about the killing itself.

EVieira wrote:

The guy murdered him and, if that wasn't enough, pissed on his dead body. How can you defend this guy? Or maybe then, WHY are you defending him?

Are you blind?  Where am I defending him?  He is a piece of shit.

Now, I am questioning Cam's "outrage."

usmarine2005 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

The guy murdered him and, if that wasn't enough, pissed on his dead body. How can you defend this guy? Or maybe then, WHY are you defending him?

Are you blind?  Where am I defending him?  He is a piece of shit.

Now, I am questioning Cam's "outrage."

You were in the marines, and you aren't outraged of what this guy did? Is it that common for american troops to do this kind of thing?

EVieira wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

The guy murdered him and, if that wasn't enough, pissed on his dead body. How can you defend this guy? Or maybe then, WHY are you defending him?

Are you blind?  Where am I defending him?  He is a piece of shit.

Now, I am questioning Cam's "outrage."

You were in the marines, and you aren't outraged of what this guy did? Is it that common for american troops to do this kind of thing?

Quit playing on words.  Don't be a fucking asshole.  I have said it in many threads about troops like this.  I said it when this story first broke.  This place is like a broken record.

This story is awful. The soldiers should get what ever comes to them. What about the Insurgents, Sunnis, Shia, and others commit atrocities like this everyday. Yet they are always the victims. Sometimes I feel like some of you actually slap high fives when a Humvee hits an IED. Muttering .....fuck Bush, ......Fuck the US. Just my 2 cents.

usmarine2005 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

The only broken record here is how defensive you get on these issues...

You seem to be confused.  I AM NOT defending this guy.  I am questioning why Cam is so outraged at this, yet finds ways to justify a Palestinian blowing himself up in a crowded cafe.

Marine, you are repeating yourself so I guess you are confused a bit. I'm going to type this slowly then, to see if you get my point:

  I'm questioning how the hell you, as an american and ex-marine DON'T find it outrageous. You have much more reason, in my view, to find this outrageous then Cam or me.

Now here a repost of what I said:

EVieira wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

You were in the marines, and you aren't outraged of what this guy did? Is it that common for american troops to do this kind of thing?

Quit playing on words.  Don't be a fucking asshole.  I have said it in many threads about troops like this.  I said it when this story first broke.  This place is like a broken record.

Of course its not common for an american soldiers to murder people and piss on bodies, but its damn right outrageous. Its a rhetorical question not word play at all.

The only broken record here is how defensive you get on these issues...

Last edited by EVieira (2007-05-11 09:46:05)

usmarine2005 wrote:

I am outraged.

Me too. I try to see the US troops as the good guys here, its not their fault they are there.

usmarine2005 wrote:

But you are quoting a conversation I am having with Cam about something.

If you would like to just talk about this topic, and not but in to what Cam and I are discussing, I would be more than happy.

Sorry, I'm debate any post on this forum that I feel like. You want to debate privately, use PMs or go to a chat chat place.

usmarine2005 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

Sorry, I'm debate any post on this forum that I feel like. You want to debate privately, use PMs or go to a chat chat place.

And you are obviously free to.  But maybe you shouldn't in ALL situations.

Well, seeing an american ex-marine questioning other peoples outrage over the murder and profanity of dead bodies by US soldiers is one situation I won't pass on.