Poll

Open source?

Yes48%48% - 45
No39%39% - 36
Only if they retain final say over stuff11%11% - 11
Total: 92
Anfidurl
Use the bumper, that's what its for!
+103|6859|Lexington, Kentucky
If there are no more BF2 Patches, do you think EA/Dice should consider open sourcing BF2?
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6898|949

No.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6912
so far Yes is leading
Airwolf
Latter Alcoholic
+287|6986|Scotland
why? not being insulting, just querying.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6730|cuntshitlake

No.

People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
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ARCHANGEL1941
Hell Yeah I Suck Toes!!!
+14|6464|Cali
I am completely computer illiterate. What does it mean to be "OPEN SOURCE BF2"?
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7096|Denver colorado
If it was open source like steam is it would be awesome. bf2_orange_fight_arena
Anfidurl
Use the bumper, that's what its for!
+103|6859|Lexington, Kentucky

DeathUnlimited wrote:

No.

People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.
Anfidurl
Use the bumper, that's what its for!
+103|6859|Lexington, Kentucky

ARCHANGEL1941 wrote:

I am completely computer illiterate. What does it mean to be "OPEN SOURCE BF2"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
http://www.google.com/search?=cTK&q … tnG=Search
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6789|...

It would be nice, but it will not happen.
I do think it should be as modifiable and rich as the UT series was.
Even then it is only good for unranked ends.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6730|cuntshitlake

Anfidurl wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

No.

People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.

Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.

Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
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De_Jappe
Triarii
+432|6794|Belgium

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Anfidurl wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

No.

People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.

Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.

Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
You just have to check if you still have both the same versions (easy with a hash for example). If you don't have the same versions, you can't play on the server. Same: for ranked games, you need a certain version for example.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7095|Grapevine, TX
Interesting idea, but EA will never let their legal responsibilities and profits, just go away.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6730|cuntshitlake

De_Jappe wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Anfidurl wrote:


You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.

Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.

Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
You just have to check if you still have both the same versions (easy with a hash for example). If you don't have the same versions, you can't play on the server. Same: for ranked games, you need a certain version for example.
hash check is made on one file at a time.and cannot be run constantly. That's why hacks can be made. The hack-blocking program cannot be checking the hash/other version id all the time. Also it might be possible to check one, let's say the BF2.exe file from being "edited", but you cannot be checking all the files, so that it is impossible to check the "validity" of the whole game.

I hope I didn't write it too badly
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{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg
Member
+10|7102|Arizona
No, it's to early.

Call of Duty came out, what, four years ago? they havn't released the source code for it yet. It'd be nice for modding, but it's never going to happen.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|6916|Washington DC

If you understand the software business, the answer is simply no.

The code base will be used for other games, not just BF2.
TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|6706|Brisbane, Australia

OrangeHound wrote:

If you understand the software business, the answer is simply no.

The code base will be used for other games, not just BF2.
has already been used for 2142. that would be a problem.....
https://bf3s.com/sigs/5e6a35c97adb20771c7b713312c0307c23a7a36a.png
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6760|N. Ireland
It'll never happen, so there's no point in even wasting your e-seconds.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6939|Colorado
Please, they will milk it until it's dead & buried, don't be silly.
swapo_de
Member
+13|6777|Lübeck, Germany
Of course it won't happen. Not with a still popular game and definitivly not from EA.

Of course, any software that goes OSS is good (even a useless software doesn't do any harm).

Of course there're some unsolved problems. Prevention of cheats is basically based on obscurity. It has to be almost impossible to understand how exactly anti cheat mechanisms work. Of course you can regularly check the integrity of the game files by hashing them. You have a function like

Code:

int getHashValue(char[] filename) {
    int hashValue = // do something to get a hash value from that file
}
If it's OSS, you can easily change such a function to always return the desired value.

Code:

int getHashValue(char[] filename) {
    if(filename == "bf2.exe") {
        return 123456789;
    }
}
And there's basically no way you can prevent some hacker from doing this stuff and make his copy of the game do whatever he wants. Aimbots would just be the beginning, it'd just be a matter of time until someone makes a hack that allows him to kill any other player on the server. You might prevent this a little with server side sanity checks ("is it possible kill person A from location X?", "is it possible to move from location Y to location Z in Q seconds?") but that wouldn't help much.
So you'd still need some immutable CSS software like PB.


BTW: Linux distributions aren't much safer as Windows just because it's open source. It's hardly questionable if it's technically safer at all. You'll find security issues on linux related software every day, and fixes aren't always fast too (usually they are though). I have to deal with a lot of hacked linux machines at work, so believing that installing linux will solve your security issues might be a little short sighted.
Every Windows since NT give's you the ability to set very strict user permissions (much better than the UNIX's default way with User, Group and World).
The main reasons why Linux (and you shouldn't forget OS X which may be a better choice for many users) has so much less popular security issues are:

  • It's less popular. Windows still has a market share that no other distributor comes close. So it's a much more interesting target for attacks - and automatic attackers, like worms, work much better with a highly populated system.
  • It comes with better factory settings. Distributions like Ubuntu don't give administrative rights to the default user, instead you have to call sudo if some software needs administrative rights. You have to add a new user on windows to archieve this (but you can, it's even quite easy).
  • The users are more advanced. This might be the biggest plus. The average Linux user has a much better technical knowledge than the average windows user. They understand why it's important to keep software up-to-date, how vulnerbilities work and they don't open email attachments with names like "britney-spears-cumshot.jpg.exe".
SamFisher199
Airwhore
+40|6580|Netherlands

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No.

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