If there are no more BF2 Patches, do you think EA/Dice should consider open sourcing BF2?
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Open source?
Yes | 48% | 48% - 45 | ||||
No | 39% | 39% - 36 | ||||
Only if they retain final say over stuff | 11% | 11% - 11 | ||||
Total: 92 |
No.
so far Yes is leading
why? not being insulting, just querying.
No.
People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
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I am completely computer illiterate. What does it mean to be "OPEN SOURCE BF2"?
If it was open source like steam is it would be awesome. bf2_orange_fight_arena
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.DeathUnlimited wrote:
No.
People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_sourceARCHANGEL1941 wrote:
I am completely computer illiterate. What does it mean to be "OPEN SOURCE BF2"?
http://www.google.com/search?=cTK&q … tnG=Search
It would be nice, but it will not happen.
I do think it should be as modifiable and rich as the UT series was.
Even then it is only good for unranked ends.
I do think it should be as modifiable and rich as the UT series was.
Even then it is only good for unranked ends.
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.Anfidurl wrote:
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.DeathUnlimited wrote:
No.
People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.
Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
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You just have to check if you still have both the same versions (easy with a hash for example). If you don't have the same versions, you can't play on the server. Same: for ranked games, you need a certain version for example.DeathUnlimited wrote:
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.Anfidurl wrote:
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.DeathUnlimited wrote:
No.
People care too much for stats, and that would lead to the obvious: Point haxing.
Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.
Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
Interesting idea, but EA will never let their legal responsibilities and profits, just go away.
hash check is made on one file at a time.and cannot be run constantly. That's why hacks can be made. The hack-blocking program cannot be checking the hash/other version id all the time. Also it might be possible to check one, let's say the BF2.exe file from being "edited", but you cannot be checking all the files, so that it is impossible to check the "validity" of the whole game.De_Jappe wrote:
You just have to check if you still have both the same versions (easy with a hash for example). If you don't have the same versions, you can't play on the server. Same: for ranked games, you need a certain version for example.DeathUnlimited wrote:
I am using Ubuntu right this second . The fact that linux's open source works, and gathers almost no viruses is because the computer using is so well restricted. Applications can't install themselves like in windows. Most of the important apps are downloaded straight from the secure servers. The application environment just is much better than in Windows.Anfidurl wrote:
You put too little faith into the open source community. Go look at how secure Linux is, with all the eyes looking at the code for vulnerabilities. Many more eyes looking than at Redmond, for sure.
Now the bf2 is different. People make viruses etc. to ruin things. In bf2 the code editing wouldn't lead to any serious harms to others, but into a bigger e-penis for the guy who does it and owns the hacked account. We have seen people using server code based exploits before, and the open source certainly wouldn't make things easier to exploit.
Most hacks just mod the .exe or other files. Image that you wouldn't need a hack program to do that. You could just edit it yourself and convert new files. I stay at my point and still think hacking would become more common
I hope I didn't write it too badly
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No, it's to early.
Call of Duty came out, what, four years ago? they havn't released the source code for it yet. It'd be nice for modding, but it's never going to happen.
Call of Duty came out, what, four years ago? they havn't released the source code for it yet. It'd be nice for modding, but it's never going to happen.
If you understand the software business, the answer is simply no.
The code base will be used for other games, not just BF2.
The code base will be used for other games, not just BF2.
It'll never happen, so there's no point in even wasting your e-seconds.
Please, they will milk it until it's dead & buried, don't be silly.
Of course it won't happen. Not with a still popular game and definitivly not from EA.
Of course, any software that goes OSS is good (even a useless software doesn't do any harm).
Of course there're some unsolved problems. Prevention of cheats is basically based on obscurity. It has to be almost impossible to understand how exactly anti cheat mechanisms work. Of course you can regularly check the integrity of the game files by hashing them. You have a function like
If it's OSS, you can easily change such a function to always return the desired value.
And there's basically no way you can prevent some hacker from doing this stuff and make his copy of the game do whatever he wants. Aimbots would just be the beginning, it'd just be a matter of time until someone makes a hack that allows him to kill any other player on the server. You might prevent this a little with server side sanity checks ("is it possible kill person A from location X?", "is it possible to move from location Y to location Z in Q seconds?") but that wouldn't help much.
So you'd still need some immutable CSS software like PB.
BTW: Linux distributions aren't much safer as Windows just because it's open source. It's hardly questionable if it's technically safer at all. You'll find security issues on linux related software every day, and fixes aren't always fast too (usually they are though). I have to deal with a lot of hacked linux machines at work, so believing that installing linux will solve your security issues might be a little short sighted.
Every Windows since NT give's you the ability to set very strict user permissions (much better than the UNIX's default way with User, Group and World).
The main reasons why Linux (and you shouldn't forget OS X which may be a better choice for many users) has so much less popular security issues are:
Of course, any software that goes OSS is good (even a useless software doesn't do any harm).
Of course there're some unsolved problems. Prevention of cheats is basically based on obscurity. It has to be almost impossible to understand how exactly anti cheat mechanisms work. Of course you can regularly check the integrity of the game files by hashing them. You have a function like
Code:
int getHashValue(char[] filename) { int hashValue = // do something to get a hash value from that file }
Code:
int getHashValue(char[] filename) { if(filename == "bf2.exe") { return 123456789; } }
So you'd still need some immutable CSS software like PB.
BTW: Linux distributions aren't much safer as Windows just because it's open source. It's hardly questionable if it's technically safer at all. You'll find security issues on linux related software every day, and fixes aren't always fast too (usually they are though). I have to deal with a lot of hacked linux machines at work, so believing that installing linux will solve your security issues might be a little short sighted.
Every Windows since NT give's you the ability to set very strict user permissions (much better than the UNIX's default way with User, Group and World).
The main reasons why Linux (and you shouldn't forget OS X which may be a better choice for many users) has so much less popular security issues are:
- It's less popular. Windows still has a market share that no other distributor comes close. So it's a much more interesting target for attacks - and automatic attackers, like worms, work much better with a highly populated system.
- It comes with better factory settings. Distributions like Ubuntu don't give administrative rights to the default user, instead you have to call sudo if some software needs administrative rights. You have to add a new user on windows to archieve this (but you can, it's even quite easy).
- The users are more advanced. This might be the biggest plus. The average Linux user has a much better technical knowledge than the average windows user. They understand why it's important to keep software up-to-date, how vulnerbilities work and they don't open email attachments with names like "britney-spears-cumshot.jpg.exe".
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