BF2S Forums Bush Compares Himself to Lincoln

"President Bush empathized with Abraham Lincoln on Monday, saying they both stood by their principles in the face of criticism during wartime."

Not so hard of a stretch there Serge.

sergeriver wrote:

By putting his name next to Lincoln's he's being disrespectful to one of the greatest politicians of all time.

just curious serg ................ why do you think he is one of the greatest

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sergeriver wrote:

I know he was Republican, so?  He solved the greatest crisis of the history of US, and he gave freedom to a lot of slaves.  He had great respect for civil rights, despite what he had to do during the Civil War.   You could say the US exists today as it is thanks to Lincoln.

now I'm not saying that he was a bad president but heres some things to think about Lincoln

ATG wrote:

"President Bush empathized with Abraham Lincoln on Monday, saying they both stood by their principles in the face of criticism during wartime."

Not so hard of a stretch there Serge.

Maybe they have similar political stances, but by likening himself to Lincoln, he invokes the idea of honesty and pure morality, which is complete and utter horse shit when it comes to our current president.

Lincoln fought a war against part of his own country, people bak then may have hated him for it but in hindsight, he saved the US.... Bush fought a war with another country that attacked us, people now hate h im for it, but some day down the road we will see that fighting them over there instead of on US soil, was better for us....

Smitty5613 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

just curious serg ................ why do you think he is one of the greatest

I know he was Republican, so?  He solved the greatest crisis of the history of US, and he gave freedom to a lot of slaves.  He had great respect for civil rights, despite what he had to do during the Civil War.   You could say the US exists today as it is thanks to Lincoln.

he wasnt a Republican, he was part of the Wig party....

He was a republican but you need to realize that back then the republicans were the radical party, and the democrats were liberal (no conservatives existed in the US at that time as back then being conservative meant you favored absolute monarchy), it wasn't until the early twentieth century that the democrats were more liberal than the republicans.

Do people not actually research what has happened in the past?  Lincoln was not the greatest President of all time.  He did not free the slaves for the sake of freeing the slaves, it was a political move designed to punish the south and take away the last bit of Labor the Confederacy had.  He might have been honest, but he was royally disliked in Washington, D.C.  One of the most famous addresses by a President was by President Lincoln and the only reason why was because it was too short to paraphrase.  He was invited to a "rally" only because he was President and was the follow up speaker of the event and no one really expected him to say anything at all. You might know it as the The Gettysburg Address.

And yes I am biased against Lincoln because I think the terms he and the rest of Washington used on the South were far too harsh and completely destroyed life.  Education is still horrible in the South due to reconstruction failures, the lack of economy, and the Union troops pulling out early.  Freedmen (blacks) were persecuted again, but this time they were lynched and killed because they weren't someone's property and therefore there was no law or penatly against killing them in the South.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

I read it. It all makes sense if you know the definition of empathy. He didn’t compare himself to Lincoln. He brought to light that Lincoln faced a similar drop in popularity as the War dragged on. Yet he didn’t lose sight of his goals “ thank god “.

I read some where that they had no absentee or military balloting/voting system back then and Lincoln won his re-election by giving leave to Republican units “ only “ so only they could vote.

Back then Militias were raised town by town and most shared a political point of view.

Further he could easily draw many parallels between himself and Lincoln if that was his desire.

Didn’t Clinton say he was like”  Thomas Jefferson “. If you read a little about Thomas Jefferson it seems pretty accurate also

The difference is Clinton was a pretty good president IMO and GWB is being disrespectful to Lincoln when he is implying that history will judge him as good as Lincoln.  Read between the lines.

Ridir wrote:

Do people not actually research what has happened in the past?  Lincoln was not the greatest President of all time.  He did not free the slaves for the sake of freeing the slaves, it was a political move designed to punish the south and take away the last bit of Labor the Confederacy had.  He might have been honest, but he was royally disliked in Washington, D.C.  One of the most famous addresses by a President was by President Lincoln and the only reason why was because it was too short to paraphrase.  He was invited to a "rally" only because he was President and was the follow up speaker of the event and no one really expected him to say anything at all. You might know it as the The Gettysburg Address.

And yes I am biased against Lincoln because I think the terms he and the rest of Washington used on the South were far too harsh and completely destroyed life.  Education is still horrible in the South due to reconstruction failures, the lack of economy, and the Union troops pulling out early.  Freedmen (blacks) were persecuted again, but this time they were lynched and killed because they weren't someone's property and therefore there was no law or penatly against killing them in the South.

You blame Lincoln for the education system in the South, after 140 years?  Lol.  And blame the racists for the lynchings and killings not Lincoln.

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

You could say the US exists today as it is thanks to Lincoln.

Diminished states' rights and all.

And I thought you didn't like the US as it exists today...

That's why I visited the country so many times.  I don't like Bush.  But I suppose that makes me anti-American for you.

You'd like it if I actually said that, wouldn't you. But no. See the underlined. Bush is not the root of all US behavior.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Diminished states' rights and all.

And I thought you didn't like the US as it exists today...

That's why I visited the country so many times.  I don't like Bush.  But I suppose that makes me anti-American for you.

You'd like it if I actually said that, wouldn't you. But no. See the underlined. Bush is not the root of all US behavior.

I know.  That's why I don't judge US for the actions of Bush.

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doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I know he was Republican, so?  He solved the greatest crisis of the history of US, and he gave freedom to a lot of slaves.  He had great respect for civil rights, despite what he had to do during the Civil War.   You could say the US exists today as it is thanks to Lincoln.

he wasnt a Republican, he was part of the Wig party....

He was a republican but you need to realize that back then the republicans were the radical party, and the democrats were liberal (no conservatives existed in the US at that time as back then being conservative meant you favored absolute monarchy), it wasn't until the early twentieth century that the democrats were more liberal than the republicans.

no, back then the Republican party didnt exist, they were called the Wigs...