No. Look up the 20,000 threads on this, it has been discussed to no end.usmarine2005 wrote:
Is that true?TrollmeaT wrote:
It was never their land they just occupied it, it was land acquired by WWII, the united nations handed it to the British to make a permanent settlement for the Jews, they refused & the Jews stepped in on the last day & declared themselves a nation. The land rights belong to Israel period, Palestinians need to make peace or get the fuck out.bogo24dk wrote:
Hamas is the least of the problem. Cause with hamas or no hamas the Israelis still don't think it's favorable for them to make a peace which in term means giving land back to the Palestinians.
Actually it is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio … _of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
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Never read that...very interesting. So it was British but since they couldn't make up their mind, the Jews said the hell with it, we will take it?TrollmeaT wrote:
Actually it is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio … _of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
Wow. How many times have we dealt with this little nugget of ridiculousness on the forum?TrollmeaT wrote:
Actually it is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio … _of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
When I'm home this evening I'll post up some diagrams to flesh out the ridiculousness of your argument, not that I ever agreed that the UN or Britain had the right to give away land as if it was its own to a bunch of immigrants.
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You can debate about who's land it is all you want, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Hamas is directly targeting and launching attacks at Israel's civilian population...and they aren't even trying to be discrete about it. Why not target Israeli military forces if they are so upset by their incursion?
The fact of the matter is that there will never be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. Israel is dealing with a culture that is bred to hate them. Jewish blood libels, anyone? This hate isn't just gonna go away over night.
The fact of the matter is that there will never be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. Israel is dealing with a culture that is bred to hate them. Jewish blood libels, anyone? This hate isn't just gonna go away over night.
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And it doesn't help that the hatred goes both ways.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The fact of the matter is that there will never be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. Israel is dealing with a culture that is bred to hate them. Jewish blood libels, anyone? This hate isn't just gonna go away over night.
-konfusion
I'll keep that in mind next time an Israeli blows himself up on a bus.konfusion wrote:
And it doesn't help that the hatred goes both ways.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The fact of the matter is that there will never be peace in the region as long as Israel exists. Israel is dealing with a culture that is bred to hate them. Jewish blood libels, anyone? This hate isn't just gonna go away over night.
-konfusion
How bout you keep that in mind next time an Israeli bulldozes a house, or kills another 10 Palestinians, or makes Palestinians strip because they want to get over the border. Your response was a really simple minded one. There is more than one way to express hatred.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
I'll keep that in mind next time an Israeli blows himself up on a bus.
How about you keep that in mind next time a Hamas terrorist turns his whole apartment building into a military target when he launches a rocket from it.konfusion wrote:
How bout you keep that in mind next time an Israeli bulldozes a house, or kills another 10 Palestinians, or makes Palestinians strip because they want to get over the border. Your response was a really simple minded one. There is more than one way to express hatred.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
I'll keep that in mind next time an Israeli blows himself up on a bus.
Yeah, I will - not a big fan of Hamas terrorists, to be honest. You're trying to condemn me for supporting Hamas? I don't. I do, however, support Palestine.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
How about you keep that in mind next time a Hamas terrorist turns his whole apartment building into a military target when he launches a rocket from it.
-konfusion
OMG, nobody is advocating Hamas. While most supportes of Palestine defend their right to have a land of their own, many supporters of Israel are advocating the killing of Palestinian civilians, justified by the actions of Hamas. Both Hamas and Israel are wrong. But Israel has a very gay attitude to deal with extremists. They should send the IDF's, oh wait they already are there, never mind, instead of sending a F-16 to bomb whatever they want, without taking care about civilians. They behave like Hamas, but in a more brutal way. They are fags. Send the soldiers to get the extremists, not a plane you fag.
The US and UK soldiers and marines are dealing with extremists in Iraq, they have the balls to do the job and they are concerned about civilian population. The IDF's should learn from them. But that's not going to happen.
The US and UK soldiers and marines are dealing with extremists in Iraq, they have the balls to do the job and they are concerned about civilian population. The IDF's should learn from them. But that's not going to happen.
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Exactly, firing bombs from a fighter plane is only marginally less cowardly than blowing yourself up in a cafe.sergeriver wrote:
OMG, nobody is advocating Hamas. While most supportes of Palestine defend their right to have a land of their own, many supporters of Israel are advocating the killing of Palestinian civilians, justified by the actions of Hamas. Both Hamas and Israel are wrong. But Israel has a very gay attitude to deal with extremists. They should send the IDF's, oh wait they already are there, never mind, instead of sending a F-16 to bomb whatever they want, without taking care about civilians. They behave like Hamas, but in a more brutal way. They are fags. Send the soldiers to get the extremists, not a plane you fag.
The US and UK soldiers and marines are dealing with extremists in Iraq, they have the balls to do the job and they are concerned about civilian population. The IDF's should learn from them. But that's not going to happen.
I fell sorry for you. Really....Cougar wrote:
Denmark may be too big, I mean California is big, but doesn't Denmark have colonies and/or annexes around the world, I think it would be more logical to suggest that perhaps the Luxembourgian Army or perhaps the Vatican Guard invaded California, but I doubt they would make it through South Central L.A. in one piece. Especially in those little outfits they have to wear, plus I think a Glock or a Mac10 can defeat a spear rather easily. But how would you suggest they sail around to get to California? Perhaps through the Panama Canal or around India? I mean, come on man, the logistics just don't add up. I don't think the economy of Luxembourg or the Vatican would be able to support the logistical, energy and economical deficits that the state has acquired, such a move could be devastating to an occupying army that has supply lines stretched 3 quarters the distance around the globe. We haven't even gone into the problems of air superiority, I mean, how to the Luxembourgian's expect to control the airspace around LAX? What about Ahhnold? Do you think he will just stand around while some Vatican guard in a purple and blue tutu waltz's into the capital building and demands the capital be turned over to the pope? What about a vicious power struggle between the Vatican and Luxembourg to control the agricultural regions versus the urban areas? Which would be more profitable to either side to hold? Detrimental to hold?bogo24dk wrote:
OMG
It was a hypothetical question. For your sake let's say it's danmark who invades it.
You should really think your idea's through more. Sheer lunacy. Also.....where is Danmark? Is that like, one of those cute names the media came up with for a gay couple, like Bennifer or TomKat?LoLCerpin_Taxt wrote:
Sergeriver alone has produced a massive volume of the same Israel vs Palestine threads. You'd think he'd have something better to do with his time at age 35.
You don't understand a thing where was going with the question.
Try to look up the word "hypothetically" in the dictionary. Maybe you get a clue of what i am talking about.
So when wiki does not support your argument it is false?CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. How many times have we dealt with this little nugget of ridiculousness on the forum?TrollmeaT wrote:
Actually it is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio … _of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
When I'm home this evening I'll post up some diagrams to flesh out the ridiculousness of your argument, not that I ever agreed that the UN or Britain had the right to give away land as if it was its own to a bunch of immigrants.
Ohh i understand your point perfectly. The point that you want to make is that Arabs are guilty for neglect the Palestinians. Arabs may have the same name but they are divided as the Europeans are. Just because they go under the same name it doesn't mean that a Arab from saudia Arabia is the same as one from Jordan or Iraq.Kmarion wrote:
I feel Israel needs to withdraw. At the same time the Palestinians need to get a grip on their extremist and work on their internal conflicts. I'm certain a repeat of 2005 would happen and Palestinians would suffer at the hands of shocker Palestinians. However, that's their fate for the choosing.bogo24dk wrote:
Then enlighten me with your view on how do you see the Palestinian situation when it comes to Israel ?Kmarion wrote:
I am eager to explain what I see as the entire situation. I am capable of dishing blame out to everyone who does or does not do anything to help. I am not blinded by a single ideology that requires me to look in only one direction.
You still have a hard time understanding the point I was intending to make. The so called sympathizers could be doing more for the victims in this conflict. If a friend of mine was in a car accident involving a drunk driver and needed my help I would do whatever I could. The fact the other driver was wrong and should not have been drinking and driving would not excuse me from helping (If I really cared about them).
And let me give you small good example how we here in Europe fell about each other. Under Yugoslavian war did we do anything in those years to stop it. We neglect it to full extend. I remember when it was over many country's where very eager to send the refuges as fast as possible home. We had to wait for Americans to intervene which i see something that should be handelt by us. The Arabs are no different from any others. If they where really united then Israel woulden had a chance to do what is doing today.
You know, I've come to realize this debate is like asking "which of the Golden Girls would you do"? And you have to choose:
mmmmm....Pirates are hot
mmmmm....Pirates are hot
No the information isn't false. The 'whether Britain were entitled to do that in my opinion' or 'whether the League of Nations were entitled to do that in my opinion' or 'Why did the British allow thousands of people to immigrate into Palestine?' is what I'm talking about.usmarine2005 wrote:
So when wiki does not support your argument it is false?CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. How many times have we dealt with this little nugget of ridiculousness on the forum?TrollmeaT wrote:
Actually it is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio … _of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Ma … _Palestine
It is Israels land, period.
When I'm home this evening I'll post up some diagrams to flesh out the ridiculousness of your argument, not that I ever agreed that the UN or Britain had the right to give away land as if it was its own to a bunch of immigrants.
I'll point out a very very important fact regarding the British Mandate of Palestine, also available on Wiki:
I think allowing an immigration free-for-all and the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine was pretty damn 100% guaranteed to 'prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities'. Not that I for a moment believe the Brits had the right to be casually playing with the lives and well-being of Palestinians, who didn't get even so much as a whisper of a say on things that would directly affect them (and oddly New Zealand got to vote on what would affect their lives, hmmm).Balfour Declaration wrote:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
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You alone have produced a massive volume of crap in the junk drawer, copying and pasting BS stuff from other forums and claiming they were your threads. You alone have done a lot of flaming and trolling in this section, never making a good point on anything. I'd think you'd have something better to do with your time at age 11?Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Sergeriver alone has produced a massive volume of the same Israel vs Palestine threads. You'd think he'd have something better to do with his time at age 35.
Maybe I shouldn't waste my time addressing your hollow arguments when you debate like a 11 years old. And I'll keep posting threads about Israel and Palestine whether you like it or not, because if I can make one person change his mind about this conflict, then I didn't waste my time. Do me a favor and don't waste your time reading and addressing my posts, you seem a very busy person? and I'd feel guilty if you'd waste your precious time here.
Huh? I haven't posted on this forum nearly as much as you. You've made more Israel vs Palestine threads than I've made threads total. I've made what? 10 total Junk Drawer posts?sergeriver wrote:
You alone have produced a massive volume of crap in the junk drawer, copying and pasting BS stuff from other forums and claiming they were your threads. You alone have done a lot of flaming and trolling in this section, never making a good point on anything. I'd think you'd have something better to do with your time at age 11?Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Sergeriver alone has produced a massive volume of the same Israel vs Palestine threads. You'd think he'd have something better to do with his time at age 35.
Maybe I shouldn't waste my time addressing your hollow arguments when you debate like a 11 years old. And I'll keep posting threads about Israel and Palestine whether you like it or not, because if I can make one person change his mind about this conflict, then I didn't waste my time. Do me a favor and don't waste your time reading and addressing my posts, you seem a very busy person? and I'd feel guilty if you'd waste your precious time here.
+1Braddock wrote:
Exactly, firing bombs from a fighter plane is only marginally less cowardly than blowing yourself up in a cafe.sergeriver wrote:
OMG, nobody is advocating Hamas. While most supportes of Palestine defend their right to have a land of their own, many supporters of Israel are advocating the killing of Palestinian civilians, justified by the actions of Hamas. Both Hamas and Israel are wrong. But Israel has a very gay attitude to deal with extremists. They should send the IDF's, oh wait they already are there, never mind, instead of sending a F-16 to bomb whatever they want, without taking care about civilians. They behave like Hamas, but in a more brutal way. They are fags. Send the soldiers to get the extremists, not a plane you fag.
The US and UK soldiers and marines are dealing with extremists in Iraq, they have the balls to do the job and they are concerned about civilian population. The IDF's should learn from them. But that's not going to happen.
I think the main reason why aircraft are used more often than men on the ground is because there is less likely to be a death on the side using the plane. When a group of soldiers are killed the media is all over it like a pack of dogs to a piece of meat, and this is then used against the government for anti-war purposes and so on. Using an aircraft decreases the chance of loss on say the Israelis side, although is much more likely to cause loss on the Palestinian side. Personally, I think aircraft should only attack targets in wider open spaces such as rural areas or large military targets within urban areas, where there is less chance for innocents to be killed. Urban warfare should be kept to ground vehicles and infatrymen who can do a more thorough and accurate sweep of the area.
Fancy Bollocks = BSCerpin_Taxt wrote:
Huh? I haven't posted on this forum nearly as much as you. You've made more Israel vs Palestine threads than I've made threads total. I've made what? 10 total Junk Drawer posts?sergeriver wrote:
You alone have produced a massive volume of crap in the junk drawer, copying and pasting BS stuff from other forums and claiming they were your threads. You alone have done a lot of flaming and trolling in this section, never making a good point on anything. I'd think you'd have something better to do with your time at age 11?Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Sergeriver alone has produced a massive volume of the same Israel vs Palestine threads. You'd think he'd have something better to do with his time at age 35.
Maybe I shouldn't waste my time addressing your hollow arguments when you debate like a 11 years old. And I'll keep posting threads about Israel and Palestine whether you like it or not, because if I can make one person change his mind about this conflict, then I didn't waste my time. Do me a favor and don't waste your time reading and addressing my posts, you seem a very busy person? and I'd feel guilty if you'd waste your precious time here.
A tale of obsession and hopeless bias:
How to Achieve Peace for Dummies
47% of Americans Think Israel is Justified in Killing Civilians
The Real Job of the IDF
Does Israel want the rockets to stop?
Wouldn't You Hate Them Too if You Were Living There?
The Israeli SOLUTION to the Palestinian Problem
Jews Want Israel to Raise its Moral Standard
Should Olmert Resign?
Is this Fighting Terrorism or Supporting it?
Jerusalem Should Be Declared Capital of the World
It's All About Education
Is Retaliation the Solution?
A Nuke Would Be Nicer
Israel Used Palestinian Kids as Human Shields
Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Peace Settlement
Israel Nukes and the Refusal to Sign the NPT Go Unpunished
Palestinians: scapegoats for Hitler's Failures?
They steal your home: what would you do?
Israel Won't Deal with the New Palestinian Government
Winds of Change?
Israel leaving the Occupied Territories
I am Israel
Interesting Video About .s.a.l
Palestine & Israel Discussion Thread
247 People Gazassinated Since June
First Step to Achieve Peace: US Incredible Opportunity
Global Leaders Call for Action on Arab-Israeli Settlement
How Many More People Should Israel kill?
Isn't it outrageous?
Could Israel be anti-semite?
Is Israel fucking with the world?
Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?
How 'd you solve the conflict between Israel and muslin countries?
(note the author of all of these threads)
How to Achieve Peace for Dummies
47% of Americans Think Israel is Justified in Killing Civilians
The Real Job of the IDF
Does Israel want the rockets to stop?
Wouldn't You Hate Them Too if You Were Living There?
The Israeli SOLUTION to the Palestinian Problem
Jews Want Israel to Raise its Moral Standard
Should Olmert Resign?
Is this Fighting Terrorism or Supporting it?
Jerusalem Should Be Declared Capital of the World
It's All About Education
Is Retaliation the Solution?
A Nuke Would Be Nicer
Israel Used Palestinian Kids as Human Shields
Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Peace Settlement
Israel Nukes and the Refusal to Sign the NPT Go Unpunished
Palestinians: scapegoats for Hitler's Failures?
They steal your home: what would you do?
Israel Won't Deal with the New Palestinian Government
Winds of Change?
Israel leaving the Occupied Territories
I am Israel
Interesting Video About .s.a.l
Palestine & Israel Discussion Thread
247 People Gazassinated Since June
First Step to Achieve Peace: US Incredible Opportunity
Global Leaders Call for Action on Arab-Israeli Settlement
How Many More People Should Israel kill?
Isn't it outrageous?
Could Israel be anti-semite?
Is Israel fucking with the world?
Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?
How 'd you solve the conflict between Israel and muslin countries?
(note the author of all of these threads)
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I won't deny obsession, but believe me, the bias is mostly on the American side. We try to see both, at least, while people like you don't (actually, you don't deserve that credit - you just troll).Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
A tale of obsession and hopeless bias:
-konfusion
Yet topics like this are scarce http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68049 .konfusion wrote:
I won't deny obsession, but believe me, the bias is mostly on the American side. We try to see both, at least, while people like you don't (actually, you don't deserve that credit - you just troll).Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
A tale of obsession and hopeless bias:
-konfusion
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