Harmor
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+605|6992|San Diego, CA, USA
Are terrorists changing their tactics?  From the Glasgow bombing and the failed London bombings we see that you can literally buy a couple of propane tanks, some gasoline, some nails and a lighter to make a car bomb.

Are the terrorists going to start making dozens of these low-tech car bombs instead of trying more sophisticated terror plots?

Is this inevitable when you have groups that are a Stand-alone Complex of al-Qaeda?  Sympathizers to al-Qaeda?
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6897|Ontario, Canada
Sympathizers to al-Qaeda? WTF???
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
Harmor
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How many low-tech bombs would it take to equal the effect that 9/11 had on our country?
oug
Calmer than you are.
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What were their tactics before? lol
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DeathBecomesYu
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Harmor wrote:

Are terrorists changing their tactics?  From the Glasgow bombing and the failed London bombings we see that you can literally buy a couple of propane tanks, some gasoline, some nails and a lighter to make a car bomb.

Are the terrorists going to start making dozens of these low-tech car bombs instead of trying more sophisticated terror plots?

Is this inevitable when you have groups that are a Stand-alone Complex of al-Qaeda?  Sympathizers to al-Qaeda?
Ummm....the attacks in the train tunnels in both Spain and Britain were done by back packs on the backs of terrorists.........cant get more low-tech than that.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6891|Boulder, CO
yes it can. they used proper explosives, granted home made explosives but its still alot more technical and harder than sticking a large gas bottle and a box of nails in a car and using something like a gas boiler sparker to create a spark to set it off. course you have to open the gas bottle first.
Dersmikner
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+147|6942|Texas
Terrorists are either (1) idiots, (2) uber-closely watched, or (3) fewer in number than we think because if you had a half dozen guys, one of whom was an insulin dependent diabetic you could turn this country upside down in 48 hours.

How hard would it be for a guy who can legally by 1cc syringes with 29 gauge 1/2 inch needles to give each of 5 friends (fellow terrorists) 5 syringes? Not hard. They could then take those syringes, inject them with rat poison, or some more deadly poison, and those 5 guys could drive to 5 major metropolitan areas. They walk into 5 grocery stores each, right around closing time when the place is nearly empty, pick out some fruit, and then head to the back of the store where there are no cameras, or into the bathroom, then they inject one peach, or apple, or tomato with poison.

That's 5 guys, 5 stores, in 5 different cities.

Now, maybe only half of the fruit is purchased.

Maybe only half of that is eaten.

But, pretty soon you've got 6 cases of strange poison related illness and word leaks out about what happened. How long before you're only buying canned fruit and the rest of the nation is completely panicked? "Dont buy fruit, it has all been poisoned by the terrorists."

What about taking a load of fertilizer and a bunch of gun powder that's been scraped out of model rocket engines, and buying a $2,500 pickup and loading up the bed of the truck with a homemade bomb? You could drive that through the lobby of any glass-front high rise hotel and kill God knows how many people.

It would be SOOOOO easy to either send this country into a panic, or a kill a shit-ton of people, or both, that the fact that it hasn't happened leads me to believe that either (1) there are VERY FEW terrorists in this country, maybe numbering in the tens or dozens but no more, (2) they are all stupid asses, or (3) our government is doing some phenomenal shit we'll never know about. I'm leaning to a mixture of the three.

Last edited by Dersmikner (2007-07-04 10:02:32)

CameronPoe
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+2,925|6999

Dersmikner wrote:

Terrorists are either (1) idiots, (2) uber-closely watched, or (3) fewer in number than we think because if you had a half dozen guys, one of whom was an insulin dependent diabetic you could turn this country upside down in 48 hours.

How hard would it be for a guy who can legally by 1cc syringes with 29 gauge 1/2 inch needles to give each of 5 friends (fellow terrorists) 5 syringes? Not hard. They could then take those syringes, inject them with rat poison, or some more deadly poison, and those 5 guys could drive to 5 major metropolitan areas. They walk into 5 grocery stores each, right around closing time when the place is nearly empty, pick out some fruit, and then head to the back of the store where there are no cameras, or into the bathroom, then they inject one peach, or apple, or tomato with poison.

That's 5 guys, 5 stores, in 5 different cities.

Now, maybe only half of the fruit is purchased.

Maybe only half of that is eat.

But, pretty soon you've got 6 cases of strange poison related illness and word leaks out about what happened. How long before you're only buying canned fruit and the rest of the nation is completely panicked?

What about taking a load of fertilizer and a bunch of gun powder that's been scraped out of model rocket engines, and buying a $2,500 pickup and loading up the bed of the truck with a homemade bomb? You could drive that through the lobby of any glass front high rise hotle and kill God knows how many people.

IT would be SOOOOO easy to either send this country into a panic, or a kill a shitton of people, or both, that the fact that it hasn't happened leads me to believe that either (1) there are VERY FEW terrorists in this country, maybe numbering in the tens or dozens but no more, (2) they are all stupid asses, or (3) our government is doing some phenomenal shit we'll never know about. I'm leaning to a mixture of the three.
You're obviously quite the terrorist....
EVieira
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+105|6922|Lutenblaag, Molvania
It could also mean the anti-terror tactics are working, and terrorist are having to make do with smaller plots and low-tech bombs. It could be a good sign.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
Dersmikner
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+147|6942|Texas
EVieira, that's what I'm saying. Our anti-terrorism shit has got to be incredible. Either that or we're dealing with a bunch of half asses who don't know how to put cover sheets on their TPS reports, much less tackle a nation.
Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|7000|Kent, UK

Dersmikner wrote:

EVieira, that's what I'm saying. Our anti-terrorism shit has got to be incredible. Either that or we're dealing with a bunch of half asses who don't know how to put cover sheets on their TPS reports, much less tackle a nation.
+1 to you, i love that fucking movie!
And remember, the main goal of terrorists isn't to kill people, just scare them shitless.
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|7040|Michigan, USA

^KoB^Buckles wrote:

Dersmikner wrote:

EVieira, that's what I'm saying. Our anti-terrorism shit has got to be incredible. Either that or we're dealing with a bunch of half asses who don't know how to put cover sheets on their TPS reports, much less tackle a nation.
+1 to you, i love that fucking movie!
And remember, the main goal of terrorists isn't to kill people, just scare them shitless.
Exactly, next thing you know you'll need a backround check and a full history report before being able to buy matches.  Fear is their trade, their not called Terrorists for no reason.
Harmor
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I'm not convinced that our anti-terror capabilities are that good.  From what I've seen it appears the British have their shit together.

I think we should be adding a lot more cameras in high-profile public areas.  If not to deter the terrorists doing their attack then at least to identify them to hunt them down.
mtb0minime
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+2,418|7098

Low-tech stuff is so much better politically as well. Terrorists in countries can get away with crappy bombs any time they want, but when they start trying to build nukes, that's when shit hits the fan. Also, has anyone seen the movie Lord of War? I think they mention in there how there's really no need to build massive weapons that do tons of damage because they'll never be used. It's still the small arms and assault rifles like AKs and M16s that are being used daily on the battlefield.
Buckles
Cheeky Keen
+329|7000|Kent, UK
Yeah, we brits have shit hot counter terror capabilities. though it helps that the terrorists of late seem to be real dumbasses. i mean, crashing a car-bomb into some bins then crapping it and running away. or the airport thing where the dude set him self on fire.
Luckily for us, most terrorists have to try to achieve the balance between making low-tech bombs with inferior equipment so they're not noticed buying weapons grade plutonium (exaggeration), but to do enough damage to scare people.
Though, i tell you, those fuckers need to get properly organised and work out what they want to achieve before they start blowing shit up.
BVC
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+325|7139
Ten individuals across London with rifles going nuts virginia tech style would cause quite a lot of chaos.

Last edited by Pubic (2007-07-05 05:18:05)

|BFC|Icenflame
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+11|6920|Cape Town - South Africa
The botched attempts must be a relief for the UK. However I don't think anyone should be complacent and think that there are stupid people. To be part of a Al-Quida cell is no easy task. Remember these people are most likely religious fanatics and setting themselves alight for their cause is seen as worthy. Although we cannot believe how someone could do such a thing, religious convictions can be an extremely powerful tool.

To be completely complacent is not the best idea. Remember in the UK there is a huge Pakistani population and Middle Eastern influence although not all people of Middle Eastern decent are keen on joining a Jihad against the US and UK and other participating countries.

I just feel sorry for the average middle eastern fella's in the UK it's unfortunate that they will be targeted by police and other enforcement agencies just because they are of Arabic decent.

But heed my words there will be more attacks unfortunately and the more people are alienated and targeted the more likely they are to join a cause....
buttersIRL
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Dersmikner wrote:

EVieira, that's what I'm saying. Our anti-terrorism shit has got to be incredible. Either that or we're dealing with a bunch of half asses who don't know how to put cover sheets on their TPS reports, much less tackle a nation.
haha,

yeah I find it strange that these guys in the latest terrorist attacks in the UK and Glasgow are trained Doctors (so they are not exactly stupid) and it was such a half assed attempt (thanks god or allah). 

if it was in Iraq they would have killed themselves but in the UK they survived their Suicide attacks ?? I think maybe they we coerced into doing it again their will so their heart wasn't really in it.

Last edited by buttersIRL (2007-07-05 08:09:05)

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