BF2S Forums Would Islamic terror exist if there was no oil in the middle east?

Yes it would exist, because of the fundamentalist nature, but not "as we know it" because we'd care less and the resources would be lacking to stage violence

CameronPoe wrote:

Here's a question: if the middle east had no oil, gas or coal resources would Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, as we know it, exist today and threaten the west?

The fact that Islamic fundamentalist terrorism occurs outside the Middle East is certainly evidence for a yes vote.  Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, Northern Africa...although representing a specific, direct, "threat to the west" could be debatable.

yes - oil is their weapon and not their motive

Mitch wrote:

Well. A lot of there motivation to kill is fueled by religion. Somewhere in Allahs bible (i cant think of the name...) it says to kill those who dont follow him...

The Qur'an. And it doesn't implicitly state that. Indeed, Muslims accept other religions very well - the Jews and Arabs of al-Medinah sheltered Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his small group of followers as they fled the warring parties of Makkah. They were eternally in their debt, and when Muhammad (peace be upon him) managed to establish Islam as the religion of that area, they let the Jews and Christians etc. live there in peace - they were given nearly all the same rights as Muslims (protected, and such). Quite, some of Muhammad's (peace be upon him) relatives were Christian and stated that the Chrisitan prophesies (don't ask me which) were coming true in Muhammad and that he was the next messenger from God (Allah).
The Qur'an does not state that it is the duty of every Muslim to kill non-believers - merely that upon the day of judgement Allah shall not welcome them to paradise (their loss).

Hope this clarifies the situation.

As to the original post, Islamic terror would still exist as 'the West' - as it is known - would still be interfering and meddling in a situation it cannot comprehend. Also, CameronPoe, I thought a wise person such as yourself would realise that by stating that they are on a 'jihad', they actually aren't and so are not truly Muslims. 'Islamic terror', as you call it, does not exist - this is scaremongering (and I thought you disliked that, no?). They are outcasts who merely wish to use twisted words of a peaceful religion for their own ends.

All the best,
Andy

That place would literally be NOTHING today without Oil. I can't wait until we don't need Oil anymore. Hopefully the next thing doesn't come out of America either (no offence) otherwise it would be all fucked over and those companies would end up controlling everything like Oil companies do now.

About Islamic Terrorism, it would still exist. When they set out from Arabia in the 7th Century they only had one goal tbh.

Mitch wrote:

Whats the difference between Muhammad and Allah. Is it like God and Christ?

Muhammad wasn't the son of "God" which Jesus claimed he was (i think) - It's more like Moses. Just some guy that supposedly got some info from said deity. A "prophet"

Mitch wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Well. A lot of there motivation to kill is fueled by religion. Somewhere in Allahs bible (i cant think of the name...) it says to kill those who dont follow him...

The Qur'an. And it doesn't implicitly state that. Indeed, Muslims accept other religions very well - the Jews and Arabs of al-Medinah sheltered Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his small group of followers as they fled the warring parties of Makkah. They were eternally in their debt, and when Muhammad (peace be upon him) managed to establish Islam as the religion of that area, they let the Jews and Christians etc. live there in peace - they were given nearly all the same rights as Muslims (protected, and such). Quite, some of Muhammad's (peace be upon him) relatives were Christian and stated that the Chrisitan prophesies (don't ask me which) were coming true in Muhammad and that he was the next messenger from God (Allah).
The Qur'an does not state that it is the duty of every Muslim to kill non-believers - merely that upon the day of judgement Allah shall not welcome them to paradise (their loss).

Hope this clarifies the situation.

As to the original post, Islamic terror would still exist as 'the West' - as it is known - would still be interfering and meddling in a situation it cannot comprehend. Also, CameronPoe, I thought a wise person such as yourself would realise that by stating that they are on a 'jihad', they actually aren't and so are not truly Muslims. 'Islamic terror', as you call it, does not exist - this is scaremongering (and I thought you disliked that, no?). They are outcasts who merely wish to use twisted words of a peaceful religion for their own ends.

All the best,
Andy

Thanks for clearing that up. Im not to familiar with the Qur'an as you can see.
Whats the difference between Muhammad and Allah. Is it like God and Christ?

Allah is singular and does not have three unique personalities like God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) in Christianity. Jesus is a prophet to Muslims, while he is God to Christians.

Hamas?  Hezbollah?

No, because the Islamic terror that West cares about (and is obviously the discussion point of this thread) is funded by oil money. The terrorists like Bin Laden wouldn't have the means to fund operations worldwide without the massive profits from oil that Arabian countries receive, and then channel to them. Small scale sectarian terrorism, such as the current Sunni-Shiite conflicts, is still feasible, but nothing in the style of September 11th attacks  is possible without a large budget to support them.

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Phrozenbot wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Wow. I still dont get it.
Allah is singular? as apposed to what. Who is king god to the muslims? and then where does allah fit it.

Christians believe in the Trinity. God in Christianity has three personalities, opposed to Allah who has one, that is why he is singular. Allah is just Allah, while God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Umm... I'm pretty certain your not right about the christian part... Christians believe on 1 god. He is 'God' thats his name. Then there Christ and stuff.. In christianity ive never heard of the trinity.... and in christianity ive never heard anything about 3 personalities.

Mong0ose wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Christians believe in the Trinity. God in Christianity has three personalities, opposed to Allah who has one, that is why he is singular. Allah is just Allah, while God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Umm... I'm pretty certain your not right about the christian part... Christians believe on 1 god. He is 'God' thats his name. Then there Christ and stuff.. In christianity ive never heard of the trinity.... and in christianity ive never heard anything about 3 personalities.

please tell me u r joking

wtf??

Mitch wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Wow. I still dont get it.
Allah is singular? as apposed to what. Who is king god to the muslims? and then where does allah fit it.

Christians believe in the Trinity. God in Christianity has three personalities, opposed to Allah who has one, that is why he is singular. Allah is just Allah, while God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Umm... I'm pretty certain your not right about the christian part... Christians believe on 1 god. He is 'God' thats his name. Then there Christ and stuff.. In christianity ive never heard of the trinity.... and in christianity ive never heard anything about 3 personalities.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibr … e_Trinity/

John Piper is rock solid in his theology. It's a long read, but this is a core doctrine in Christianity.