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2007-07-20 05:18:54
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6816|Kyiv, Ukraine
Paraphrased off a Dailykos diary, but I thought this was pretty interesting...and good news for Ron Paul and Obama fans as well as bad news for neo-con chickenhawks.

Campaign contributions from active duty military and declared veterans (Q2):

Anti-war:
Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
John Edwards 2.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Chris Dodd 0%

Pro-war:
John McCain 18.31%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

Note on Obama - he seems to have actually cheated a bit on his numbers, requiring everyone that so much as buys a $1 bumper sticker to fill out their information and then he reports it as contributions to bolster his numbers.

So, the question that's gotta be asked is:  Why do the troops hate the troops so much?  Those that put their money where their mouthes are this quarter seem to have voted for a little "cut'n'run".  It even looks like they'd rather "fight them over here" instead.  Maybe they don't even want to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...".  Maybe they're not up for the "long war" and don't want to wait for the Iraqi's to "stand up so we can stand down".  At least they're probably still "listening to the generals on the ground" unlike the prez.  Did I miss any other talking points?

Anyways, the dems in congress seem to still be pretty cowed in containing the chimperator in chief, but the voters look like they'll fix the problem after a year or so.  Thoughts?

Sources:
http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/ … ns-for-q2/
http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ro … itary.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/
2007-07-20 05:41:53
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6858|Vienna

I dont see how its "hating the troops" if you donate to Obama ?
2007-07-20 07:03:59
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6816|Kyiv, Ukraine

zeidmaan wrote:

I dont see how its "hating the troops" if you donate to Obama ?
Obama is currently against remaining in Iraq, he put his vote where his mouth was a day ago be voting for withdrawing from Iraq starting in September.

The neocon talking points that came up during the 30-hour filibuster was that basically those not in support of occupying Iraq were traitors.
2007-07-20 07:09:27
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7118|Belgium

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

So, the question that's gotta be asked is:  Why do the troops hate the troops so much?  Those that put their money where their mouthes are this quarter seem to have voted for a little "cut'n'run".  It even looks like they'd rather "fight them over here" instead.  Maybe they don't even want to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...".  Maybe they're not up for the "long war" and don't want to wait for the Iraqi's to "stand up so we can stand down".  At least they're probably still "listening to the generals on the ground" unlike the prez.  Did I miss any other talking points?
They don't hate the troops, but maybe it's because THEY are doing the bleeding ...

I recently watched a documentary about some US troops while clearing the house of an old & crippled Iraqi woman, and one of the soldiers said that he would like to serve another 15 months in this shithole, if the guy who had send them there would be there too, fur the full duration.

There's a difference between posting on an internetforum or safely voting at home for troop deployment and actually being there.

edit: spelling

Last edited by Pierre (2007-07-20 07:10:31)

2007-07-20 07:12:14
topal63
. . .
+533|7161

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Why do the troops hate the troops so much?
Well, that is a pretty funny way of putting it.
2007-07-20 07:16:06
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Paraphrased off a Dailykos diary, but I thought this was pretty interesting...and good news for Ron Paul and Obama fans as well as bad news for neo-con chickenhawks.

Campaign contributions from active duty military and declared veterans (Q2):

Anti-war:
Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
John Edwards 2.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Chris Dodd 0%

Pro-war:
John McCain 18.31%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

Note on Obama - he seems to have actually cheated a bit on his numbers, requiring everyone that so much as buys a $1 bumper sticker to fill out their information and then he reports it as contributions to bolster his numbers.

So, the question that's gotta be asked is:  Why do the troops hate the troops so much?  Those that put their money where their mouthes are this quarter seem to have voted for a little "cut'n'run".  It even looks like they'd rather "fight them over here" instead.  Maybe they don't even want to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...".  Maybe they're not up for the "long war" and don't want to wait for the Iraqi's to "stand up so we can stand down".  At least they're probably still "listening to the generals on the ground" unlike the prez.  Did I miss any other talking points?

Anyways, the dems in congress seem to still be pretty cowed in containing the chimperator in chief, but the voters look like they'll fix the problem after a year or so.  Thoughts?

Sources:
http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/ … ns-for-q2/
http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ro … itary.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/
maybe they were just "weekend warriors", reservists and gaurdsmen who only signed up for benefits and had no idea they were going to actually HAVE to serve their country more than a weekend a month.
2007-07-20 07:29:53
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6733|Éire
Maybe they're out in the middle of a hell hole and have realised they're fighting a bullshit war that has done nothing to truly counter the threat of terrorism against their homeland?
2007-07-20 10:10:01
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7075|949

lowing wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Paraphrased off a Dailykos diary, but I thought this was pretty interesting...and good news for Ron Paul and Obama fans as well as bad news for neo-con chickenhawks.

Campaign contributions from active duty military and declared veterans (Q2):

Anti-war:
Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
John Edwards 2.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Chris Dodd 0%

Pro-war:
John McCain 18.31%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

Note on Obama - he seems to have actually cheated a bit on his numbers, requiring everyone that so much as buys a $1 bumper sticker to fill out their information and then he reports it as contributions to bolster his numbers.

So, the question that's gotta be asked is:  Why do the troops hate the troops so much?  Those that put their money where their mouthes are this quarter seem to have voted for a little "cut'n'run".  It even looks like they'd rather "fight them over here" instead.  Maybe they don't even want to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...".  Maybe they're not up for the "long war" and don't want to wait for the Iraqi's to "stand up so we can stand down".  At least they're probably still "listening to the generals on the ground" unlike the prez.  Did I miss any other talking points?

Anyways, the dems in congress seem to still be pretty cowed in containing the chimperator in chief, but the voters look like they'll fix the problem after a year or so.  Thoughts?

Sources:
http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/ … ns-for-q2/
http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ro … itary.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/
maybe they were just "weekend warriors", reservists and gaurdsmen who only signed up for benefits and had no idea they were going to actually HAVE to serve their country more than a weekend a month.
Congratulations, you are officially the most delusional person on this website.

They gave money to Democrats, they must not be REAL soldiers!  What a fucking slap in the face.  Why don't you tell that to the people you see over there in the sandbox, I'm sure they will be pleased that you call them "weekend warriors".

Get a fucking clue bud.
2007-07-20 12:13:19
I'm Moonshine
Member
+1|6571
Ron Paul has my vote. Before I knew he was running for president I was thinking we are screwed for at least another 4 years. Since he would be good for the people, not good for these government whores who are getting rich off these wars I imagine they will do whatever possible to to make sure he doesn't become president. Its not like Bush ever won an election, like that makes a difference.
2007-07-20 20:54:27
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7157|US
Perhaps one statistic does not denote a vote on one specific issue.  There are a lot of people who vote on more than one issue...or on none at all.  Although I disagree on some of the leading candidate's foreign policy, I would still vote for them because of their principles and other policy stances.
2007-07-20 21:56:59
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
my platoon sgt voted for kerry in 04
2007-07-20 22:36:04
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6911
Well of course they'll favor the anti-war guys.

"Hey I'm gonna try to get you out of a hot, smelly and sandy country where you are getting shot at and bring you back home"

or

"You must stay in that Hell-hole until the job (whatever it is) is done"

Which one would you rather vote for?
2007-07-20 22:44:34
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7023|the dank(super) side of Oregon
I love that conservatives are so stretched out now, so delusional, that when a soldier criticizes the war he is forced to fight, he is a traitor, a liar, a 'weekend warrior', a PTSD pussy.  they did it to Kerry in '04  and they're doing it to our vets now.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2007-07-20 22:45:21)

2007-07-21 09:18:31
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6972|Global Command

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lowing wrote:

maybe they were just "weekend warriors", reservists and gaurdsmen who only signed up for benefits and had no idea they were going to actually HAVE to serve their country more than a weekend a month.
Congratulations, you are officially the most delusional person on this website.

They gave money to Democrats, they must not be REAL soldiers!  What a fucking slap in the face.  Why don't you tell that to the people you see over there in the sandbox, I'm sure they will be pleased that you call them "weekend warriors".

Get a fucking clue bud.
Jesus, what are you talking about?
Lowings right; many a National Guardsmen pre 9-11 never expected to get deployed, they were in it for the college money.

When 9-11 happened and they became combat troops they got pissed.


How on Earth does that make him delusional?
2007-07-21 09:23:51
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086

Reciprocity wrote:

I love that conservatives are so stretched out now, so delusional, that when a soldier criticizes the war he is forced to fight, he is a traitor, a liar, a 'weekend warrior', a PTSD pussy.  they did it to Kerry in '04  and they're doing it to our vets now.
shit, I criticize all the time.  And im only a weekened warrior since 05
2007-07-21 09:27:11
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7204

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

I love that conservatives are so stretched out now, so delusional, that when a soldier criticizes the war he is forced to fight, he is a traitor, a liar, a 'weekend warrior', a PTSD pussy.  they did it to Kerry in '04  and they're doing it to our vets now.
shit, I criticize all the time.  And im only a weekened warrior since 05
Shhhhh.....only conservatives generalize.
2007-07-21 09:38:49
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
ooooh thats right.   liberals are so much different.
2007-07-21 14:39:14
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7075|949

ATG wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lowing wrote:

maybe they were just "weekend warriors", reservists and gaurdsmen who only signed up for benefits and had no idea they were going to actually HAVE to serve their country more than a weekend a month.
Congratulations, you are officially the most delusional person on this website.

They gave money to Democrats, they must not be REAL soldiers!  What a fucking slap in the face.  Why don't you tell that to the people you see over there in the sandbox, I'm sure they will be pleased that you call them "weekend warriors".

Get a fucking clue bud.
Jesus, what are you talking about?
Lowings right; many a National Guardsmen pre 9-11 never expected to get deployed, they were in it for the college money.

When 9-11 happened and they became combat troops they got pissed.


How on Earth does that make him delusional?
I'm sure there were people in the National Guard that never expected to get deployed.  The idea that only those "weekend warriors" (which is disrespectful to call them, seeing as they probably fight 4-5 days a week) donated money to dems (6 years later) is delusional.  Is it really that hard to understand?  Lowing is delusional in his own little "Liberals and democrats are what's wrong with this world" view.  Until he understands that the "liberals" he percieves as destroying our country are little different than the "conservatives" actually destroying our country, he is delusional. 

So yesh, get a fucking clue.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-21 14:40:09)

2007-07-21 15:48:43
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Paraphrased off a Dailykos diary, but I thought this was pretty interesting...and good news for Ron Paul and Obama fans as well as bad news for neo-con chickenhawks.

Campaign contributions from active duty military and declared veterans (Q2):

Anti-war:
Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%
John Edwards 2.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Chris Dodd 0%

Pro-war:
John McCain 18.31%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

Note on Obama - he seems to have actually cheated a bit on his numbers, requiring everyone that so much as buys a $1 bumper sticker to fill out their information and then he reports it as contributions to bolster his numbers.

So, the question that's gotta be asked is:  Why do the troops hate the troops so much?  Those that put their money where their mouthes are this quarter seem to have voted for a little "cut'n'run".  It even looks like they'd rather "fight them over here" instead.  Maybe they don't even want to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...".  Maybe they're not up for the "long war" and don't want to wait for the Iraqi's to "stand up so we can stand down".  At least they're probably still "listening to the generals on the ground" unlike the prez.  Did I miss any other talking points?

Anyways, the dems in congress seem to still be pretty cowed in containing the chimperator in chief, but the voters look like they'll fix the problem after a year or so.  Thoughts?

Sources:
http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/ … ns-for-q2/
http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ro … itary.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/
maybe they were just "weekend warriors", reservists and gaurdsmen who only signed up for benefits and had no idea they were going to actually HAVE to serve their country more than a weekend a month.
Congratulations, you are officially the most delusional person on this website.

They gave money to Democrats, they must not be REAL soldiers!  What a fucking slap in the face.  Why don't you tell that to the people you see over there in the sandbox, I'm sure they will be pleased that you call them "weekend warriors".

Get a fucking clue bud.
"About 40 percent of the 150,000 troops now in Iraq have come from reserve ranks. That number will grow to 50 percent in the fresh group of forces deploying at the moment ".

Taken from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … 5Jan6.html



I never said they were not "real soldiers". You said it!!.  I am over here in the "sandbox" and I have a great respect for our troops. I am one of the few on this forum that has consistantly defended our troops. All you liberal fuckers do is spend your time calling them "brainwashed" and puppets and shit.

THe term weekend warrior comes from the fact that normal duty for these reservists is 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year. My point was and is that these people probably did not anticipate a war when they signed up as reservists. THey did not expect to go to war, to leave their kids and their wives and husbands, to have their jobs put on hold, to have their college put on hold to get fuckin shot at or wounded or killed!!!...So yeah it is no wonder they are against the war. Where exactly is the surprise there? Or the fuckin news flash?

BUD!!!!
2007-07-21 15:51:12
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

Reciprocity wrote:

I love that conservatives are so stretched out now, so delusional, that when a soldier criticizes the war he is forced to fight, he is a traitor, a liar, a 'weekend warrior', a PTSD pussy.  they did it to Kerry in '04  and they're doing it to our vets now.
See above dipshit
2007-07-21 15:53:54
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

ATG wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


Congratulations, you are officially the most delusional person on this website.

They gave money to Democrats, they must not be REAL soldiers!  What a fucking slap in the face.  Why don't you tell that to the people you see over there in the sandbox, I'm sure they will be pleased that you call them "weekend warriors".

Get a fucking clue bud.
Jesus, what are you talking about?
Lowings right; many a National Guardsmen pre 9-11 never expected to get deployed, they were in it for the college money.

When 9-11 happened and they became combat troops they got pissed.


How on Earth does that make him delusional?
I'm sure there were people in the National Guard that never expected to get deployed.  The idea that only those "weekend warriors" (which is disrespectful to call them, seeing as they probably fight 4-5 days a week) donated money to dems (6 years later) is delusional.  Is it really that hard to understand?  Lowing is delusional in his own little "Liberals and democrats are what's wrong with this world" view.  Until he understands that the "liberals" he percieves as destroying our country are little different than the "conservatives" actually destroying our country, he is delusional. 

So yesh, get a fucking clue.
see up 2 posts


BUD!!!!
2007-07-21 16:00:52
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7075|949

Hey lowing, good luck trying to find anywhere on this site I talk shit on our armed forces.  I am not a liberal, I am a human being.  Until you can get that through your neanderthalic skull, I'm afraid it will be hard to debate with you.  See, here is your problem - I don't agree with our foreign policy, our domestic policy, and the way our government is run - and you call me a "liberal fucker" for it. 

Do you know what dissent is?  Do you know the history of dissent in the US?  Obviously not!  You keep spouting your asinine nonsense that lack any thought, insight, or real observations, and I'll keep offering up my viewpoints based on facts, logic and reason.  Being vocal against the destructive policies that I view as detrimental to our nation and a slap in the face to true American values is not being a "liberal fucker".  It is being a true American.

Buddy!

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-21 16:02:43)

2007-07-21 16:32:02
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
sorry lowing but I cant agree with you there bro.  a large part of my platoon in iraq would have considered themselves democrats. 

a friend of mine told me about how his grandpa was hard core republican until he was in the korean war.  democrat ever since.
2007-07-21 16:37:53
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Hey lowing, good luck trying to find anywhere on this site I talk shit on our armed forces.  I am not a liberal, I am a human being.  Until you can get that through your neanderthalic skull, I'm afraid it will be hard to debate with you.  See, here is your problem - I don't agree with our foreign policy, our domestic policy, and the way our government is run - and you call me a "liberal fucker" for it. 

Do you know what dissent is?  Do you know the history of dissent in the US?  Obviously not!  You keep spouting your asinine nonsense that lack any thought, insight, or real observations, and I'll keep offering up my viewpoints based on facts, logic and reason.  Being vocal against the destructive policies that I view as detrimental to our nation and a slap in the face to true American values is not being a "liberal fucker".  It is being a true American.

Buddy!
Pretty much off topic from the "weekend warrior" issue isn't? Or can you no longer defend your comments toward me regarding it?

But since you have switch gears onto a diffenr topic I will go along for the ride.

You do have the right to disapprove of everything our govt. does if you wish. I support your right to do so. I do not however support it at the expense of our troops engaged in combat because believe it or not, all of that strife does affect them. It affects them and their ROE and it affect them and their funding and it affects some of them personally ( morale).

I am well aware of what dissent is, and I do know its part in our history. However again, I believe the US and western society is in a fight for its very way of life, and weakening our govt. to open up rifts to be exploited by Islamic extremists is not something I approve of. Let us take care of our common enemy ( terrorism) before we engage in overthrowing our govt. Deal?? I promise you even after a democrat is elected in office, the war on terror will not end.
2007-07-21 16:45:11
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7023|the dank(super) side of Oregon

lowing wrote:

I never said they were not "real soldiers". You said it!!.  I am over here in the "sandbox" and I have a great respect for our troops. I am one of the few on this forum that has consistantly defended our troops. All you liberal fuckers do is spend your time calling them "brainwashed" and puppets and shit.

THe term weekend warrior comes from the fact that normal duty for these reservists is 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year. My point was and is that these people probably did not anticipate a war when they signed up as reservists. THey did not expect to go to war, to leave their kids and their wives and husbands, to have their jobs put on hold, to have their college put on hold to get fuckin shot at or wounded or killed!!!...So yeah it is no wonder they are against the war. Where exactly is the surprise there? Or the fuckin news flash?

BUD!!!!
as a 'liberal fucker' I dont criticize Soldiers and Marines for doing their job, they aren't brainwashed, they aren't shit, but they are puppets. Soldiers and Marines follow orders, that's what they do.  It doesn't make them bad or wrong or shit, it makes them Soldiers and Marines. 

I do criticize the conservative leaders and liberal pussies who have wasted our Soldiers and Marines.  they are the puppet masters, they are the ones who have chosen to dump our most valuable asset into a meat grinder.  Iraq is bullshit, we have unilaterally fucked that nation into oblivion and in the process, fucked Afghanistan as well.  what our military is doing in Iraq is not making America safer.  they are not serving their country.  they are at best serving a delusional executive, at worst being used for corporate gain.  and that is fucking terrible. 

no matter what you say, you are insulting our reserve military, you're either saying they're self-centered, greedy, whiney assholes or they are simply too stupid to conform to the conservative military ideology,  they aren't brainwashed. 

the army still advertises reserve service as one weekend a month, two weeks a year.  which we all know it bullshit.  why dont they just come out and say that if you join the national guard, you won't actually be guarding the Nation, you'll be in the desert, on the other side of the globe.  when a hurricane destroys a city, you'll be on the other side of the world.  when the nation needs you, you'll be on the other side of the world.

 

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