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2007-07-28 11:36:57
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6847|North Carolina

SEREMAKER wrote:

well I know this will kick up or turn into another pro/anti--gun thread

But this shows disbanning guns is a bad idea - fucked up guy shoots random people, if random people had a gun - then just fucked up guy would be dead but the country disbans guns (good job)

another example - Virgina Tech shooting - fucked up guy goes on a shooting spree, it is against the law to carry on school grounds - so even though the chances are good that there are gun owners at the college they can not carry on thegrounds

I have a federal issued FBI checked concealed carry gun permit but yet I can not carry on school grounds or where that you have to pay admission etc. etc.

some laws need to change and stricter background checks need to be placed

1 law I would change is if you have a concealed carry permit then you can carry on school grounds
I agree for the most part, although I would suggest that allowing tasers on campus would make more sense than allowing guns.  This way, you can tell the psycho from the other people.  An air taser is just as effective as a gun, but you do have to get closer to someone to use it.

As for society outside of school campuses, I see no problem with allowing concealed weapons.
2007-07-28 11:48:13
David.P
Banned
+649|6715

usmarine2005 wrote:

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

.....and your point is?
Wondering what American haters like you will have to say about a European slaughter.
I know what ya'll say when it happens here.
QFE

+1
For both of you +1
2007-07-28 11:54:14
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7181
Its a terrible tragedy which ever Country it Happens in, Don't think you should be using it to score points against each other, be it this one or any other Country where they happen.
2007-07-28 12:36:33
NaferiouS
Member
+7|6560|melb australia

SenorToenails wrote:

Magpie wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres

Furthest down on the page
You're right ...  Australia's gun culture is out of control!

Martin Bryant shoots 35 people dead and injures 37 at the tourist town of Port Arthur, Tasmania.
Seriously though, there are European massacres on that list.

Robert Steinhäuser broke into his former high school and killed 13 teachers, 2 students and a police officer before finally turning a gun on himself. (Erfurt, Thuringia, Germany, 2002)

Friedrich Leibacher entered the Zug parliament and opened fire, killing three members of the cantonal government and 11 parliamentarians before turning the gun on himself. (Zug, Switzerland, 2001)
OUT OF CONTROL MY ARSE  all of the guns use were illegal and obtained illegelaly! the retarded gonad it question was a complete nut job off epic preportions that had come 2 the attension of the so called authorities a heap of times but nothing was dun. the intire incident was a balls up that could of and should of been stoped hours earlier than when it ended. the end result, 35 dead(many should have been saved) and more regulation of legal,law abiding AND SANE people who enjoy shooting and hunting reponsibly!! (and i dont mean hunting people! unless they're dropin gheymines;)   
)

re; port arthur

Last edited by NaferiouS (2007-07-28 12:39:35)

2007-07-28 14:18:08
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

m3thod wrote:

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

.....and your point is?
Wondering what American haters like you will have to say about a European slaughter.
I know what ya'll say when it happens here.
Not really. I just didnt understand what you wanted to debate:

Gun restrictions?

Why people kill each other?

The world going down the toilet?

Zero hope for humanity?

Ya get me?

And oh ya! i really hate ALLLLLL Americans....wait a minute topal63 and GunSlinger to name two are cool d00ds i'd love to meet.....now who said that you have consistently misplaced disgust???
uhhhhh, excuse me,  Hellllllllooooooooooo???...........are we forgetting someone??.....................
2007-07-28 14:20:44
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6664|Escea

Magpie wrote:

I cannot remember last time a massacre like this occurred in Europe, or for that matter a mass shooting.
That one in Scotland in the school, forgot its name.
2007-07-28 14:20:58
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Lost Hope wrote:

Dersmikner wrote:

I'm with Turquoise... I'm for lower wealth disparity. The problem is it's hard to get the poor people to work harder...   ;-)
Yeah, it's kinda hard if you exploit them.
Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
2007-07-28 14:29:20
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6847|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Lost Hope wrote:

Dersmikner wrote:

I'm with Turquoise... I'm for lower wealth disparity. The problem is it's hard to get the poor people to work harder...   ;-)
Yeah, it's kinda hard if you exploit them.
Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families?  Surely, a little help for them is ok.
2007-07-28 14:29:21
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6992|CH/BR - in UK

lowing wrote:

Lost Hope wrote:

Dersmikner wrote:

I'm with Turquoise... I'm for lower wealth disparity. The problem is it's hard to get the poor people to work harder...   ;-)
Yeah, it's kinda hard if you exploit them.
Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
The problem is that not all poor people are the same. As with all people, they are not that simple - every group has a large diversity. I personally know quite a few people here in Switzerland (immigrants, at that) who work their asses off to pay for the wellbeing of their kids.
And believe it or not, there are poor people in Switzerland - not as poor as in some countries though.

-konfusion
2007-07-28 14:41:03
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7113|UK

M.O.A.B wrote:

Magpie wrote:

I cannot remember last time a massacre like this occurred in Europe, or for that matter a mass shooting.
That one in Scotland in the school, forgot its name.
Dunblane
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-07-28 14:45:16
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6664|Escea

m3thod wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Magpie wrote:

I cannot remember last time a massacre like this occurred in Europe, or for that matter a mass shooting.
That one in Scotland in the school, forgot its name.
Dunblane
Aye that's it.
2007-07-28 14:56:59
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Lost Hope wrote:

Yeah, it's kinda hard if you exploit them.
Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families?  Surely, a little help for them is ok.
Have I not always maintained my willingness to help those that can not help themselves, and those that are trying to help themselves? I have never had a probelm with a hand up, I do have a problem with (a way of life) hand out. Except for children and the disabled. As long as the ones I am helping are helping themselves to something other than my tax dollars I am a supporter.

I have never gotten acknowledgement for that in this forum though, and it really surprises me how many of you give a shit for the leeches on society. I take an opinion that our tax money should be better spent on the people I described above. By burning off the tics that suck the life from our society there would be even more opportunity to save those that want and work for a better life. The worthless have a choice, get busy or starve. I will bet eventually they will get busy, if we made prison so bad that they would not concider that an option by trying criminal activity. What is so wrong with my beliefs?? I do not believe a sailing ship will get very far dragging an anchor. Do you??


Everyone has me labeled as a racist, neo-con, skinhead nazi or something. I don't get it. All I have ever endorsed is coddle the children and punish the criminals. For some reason, the liberal element takes offense to that notion.

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-28 15:04:15)

2007-07-28 14:58:01
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

konfusion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Lost Hope wrote:


Yeah, it's kinda hard if you exploit them.
Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
The problem is that not all poor people are the same. As with all people, they are not that simple - every group has a large diversity. I personally know quite a few people here in Switzerland (immigrants, at that) who work their asses off to pay for the wellbeing of their kids.
And believe it or not, there are poor people in Switzerland - not as poor as in some countries though.

-konfusion
see above konfusion
2007-07-28 15:02:31
Smithereener
Member
+138|6757|California

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families?  Surely, a little help for them is ok.
Have I not always maintained my willingness to help those that can not help themselves, and those that are trying to help themselves? I have never had a probelm with a hand up, I do have a problem with (a way of life) hand out. Except for children and the disabled. As long as the ones I am helping are helping themselves to something other than my tax dollars I am a supporter.

I have never gotten acknowledgement for that in this forum though, and it really surprises me how many of you give a shit for the leeches on society. I take an opinion that our tax money should be better spent on the people I described above. By burning off the tics that suck the life from our society there would be even more opportunity to save those that want and work for a better life. The worthless have a choice, get busy or starve. I will bet eventually they will get busy, if we made prison so bad that they would not concider that an option by trying criminal activity. What is so wrong with my beliefs?? I do not believe a sailing ship will get very far dragging an anchor. Do you??
While I agree with the above, the hard part is differentiating the poor that actually strives for a break and a better lifestyle and the lazy bums. My family is probably, a little below average, but works hard to keep a relatively normal standard of living. It's been harder now since my dad got injured, but its still not that bad. I'm sure that other families are in a pinch also, and might need some help; that's the only reason I realize that small doles and handouts are at least helping some families. Even if we are feeding the lazy ones, at least some of the hard working ones are benefiting.
2007-07-28 15:07:04
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Smithereener wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families?  Surely, a little help for them is ok.
Have I not always maintained my willingness to help those that can not help themselves, and those that are trying to help themselves? I have never had a probelm with a hand up, I do have a problem with (a way of life) hand out. Except for children and the disabled. As long as the ones I am helping are helping themselves to something other than my tax dollars I am a supporter.

I have never gotten acknowledgement for that in this forum though, and it really surprises me how many of you give a shit for the leeches on society. I take an opinion that our tax money should be better spent on the people I described above. By burning off the tics that suck the life from our society there would be even more opportunity to save those that want and work for a better life. The worthless have a choice, get busy or starve. I will bet eventually they will get busy, if we made prison so bad that they would not consider that an option by trying criminal activity. What is so wrong with my beliefs?? I do not believe a sailing ship will get very far dragging an anchor. Do you??
While I agree with the above, the hard part is differentiating the poor that actually strives for a break and a better lifestyle and the lazy bums. My family is probably, a little below average, but works hard to keep a relatively normal standard of living. It's been harder now since my dad got injured, but its still not that bad. I'm sure that other families are in a pinch also, and might need some help; that's the only reason I realize that small doles and handouts are at least helping some families. Even if we are feeding the lazy ones, at least some of the hard working ones are benefiting.
very easy to differentiate through tax returns and education that is pursued I would think. Good post though
2007-07-28 16:10:47
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6572|North Tonawanda, NY

NaferiouS wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

You're right ...  Australia's gun culture is out of control!
OUT OF CONTROL MY ARSE  all of the guns use were illegal and obtained illegelaly! the retarded gonad it question was a complete nut job off epic preportions that had come 2 the attension of the so called authorities a heap of times but nothing was dun. the intire incident was a balls up that could of and should of been stoped hours earlier than when it ended. the end result, 35 dead(many should have been saved) and more regulation of legal,law abiding AND SANE people who enjoy shooting and hunting reponsibly!! (and i dont mean hunting people! unless they're dropin gheymines;)   
)

re; port arthur
Sarcasm!
2007-07-28 16:34:21
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6940|Texas
My favorite part is that everyone KEEPS saying that some poor people work hard but can't feed their families.

To wit: "*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families? "

Am I high or is there some way that people accidentally put their penises into vaginas, and suddenly there are accidentally families? At some point in time someone decided to have unprotected sex. I'm real sorry they did that and can't feed whoever it is they decided to marry and whoever they decided to raise. Still, not my fault, or my problem.
2007-07-29 02:21:45
PureFodder
Member
+225|6727
Ok, before all the pro-gun lot go running around trying to show how this proves that banning guns is a bad idea here's a few things to consider:
http://www.international-alert.org/pdfs … aStudy.pdf The actual situation in that region (ok this is Croatia not Sebia but still the effects are pretty much the same). Although some guns are banned, private ownership of the SMGs, assault rifles etc. is entirely widespread throughout the population largely as a result of the recent wars there. As far as I know handguns, shotguns, hunting rifles are all legal there. This is closer to the American situation than the typical European one.

All this really proves is that there are crazy people everywhere, even in Europe.

Oh, and Dunblane occurred while many firearms such as handguns were legal, it was the catalyst for the banning of almost all civilian ownership of firearms. There have been no massacres since then.

Last edited by PureFodder (2007-07-29 02:23:38)

2007-07-29 07:37:04
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6940|Texas
If everyone carried a gun it's a hell of a lot less likely that the nuts would either (a) break theirs out because they'd know it was suicide, or (b) have much success with them because once the first shot went off half a dozen people would be dropping off rounds into their asses.

You never see anyone go ballistic at an NRA meeting. You know why? First sound of a gunfire and he'd be looking down the business end of a fucking arsenal.
2007-07-29 07:48:04
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,055|7064|Little Bentcock
its good they got him before he shot himself
2007-07-29 08:05:52
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6856|Vienna

Dersmikner wrote:

If everyone carried a gun it's a hell of a lot less likely that the nuts would either (a) break theirs out because they'd know it was suicide, or (b) have much success with them because once the first shot went off half a dozen people would be dropping off rounds into their asses.

You never see anyone go ballistic at an NRA meeting. You know why? First sound of a gunfire and he'd be looking down the business end of a fucking arsenal.
You seriously think that less people would get shot in a school if every student carried a gun?

Not just you... there were more people saying that (in this thread and in many other).

I mean chances that someone will come to your school and start shooting are so small that you can say they are negligible. And if someone did started shooting you think that bunch of scared shitless kids would stop to identify their targets before shooting? I got one word... TEAMKILLS
2007-07-29 08:13:19
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6847|North Carolina

Dersmikner wrote:

My favorite part is that everyone KEEPS saying that some poor people work hard but can't feed their families.

To wit: "*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families? "

Am I high or is there some way that people accidentally put their penises into vaginas, and suddenly there are accidentally families? At some point in time someone decided to have unprotected sex. I'm real sorry they did that and can't feed whoever it is they decided to marry and whoever they decided to raise. Still, not my fault, or my problem.
Move to Mexico if you don't want to help the less fortunate.  There are various Third World nations that don't have much in terms of social programs, and I'm sure you'd love to live there if you knew their languages.

Of course, you may also find that societies this callous also have problems with other public amenities like drinking water, but hey, you could easily afford a lifetime supply of bottled water with all the money you'll be saving in taxes.

If you plan to stay in America, I suggest you gain some sense of compassion.
2007-07-29 08:14:49
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6847|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


Since when is leaving them behind because they refuse to contribute "exploiting".. How about getting off their asses and joining the rest of us?
*shrugs* What about the people who do work who still can't feed their families?  Surely, a little help for them is ok.
Have I not always maintained my willingness to help those that can not help themselves, and those that are trying to help themselves? I have never had a probelm with a hand up, I do have a problem with (a way of life) hand out. Except for children and the disabled. As long as the ones I am helping are helping themselves to something other than my tax dollars I am a supporter.

I have never gotten acknowledgement for that in this forum though, and it really surprises me how many of you give a shit for the leeches on society. I take an opinion that our tax money should be better spent on the people I described above. By burning off the tics that suck the life from our society there would be even more opportunity to save those that want and work for a better life. The worthless have a choice, get busy or starve. I will bet eventually they will get busy, if we made prison so bad that they would not concider that an option by trying criminal activity. What is so wrong with my beliefs?? I do not believe a sailing ship will get very far dragging an anchor. Do you??


Everyone has me labeled as a racist, neo-con, skinhead nazi or something. I don't get it. All I have ever endorsed is coddle the children and punish the criminals. For some reason, the liberal element takes offense to that notion.
I only ask you this to differentiate you from certain other people who won't go named.  You at least have some sense of compassion, and I respect you for that.  Certain other people could learn to feel the same.
2007-07-29 08:44:54
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7003

Turquoise wrote:

If you plan to stay in America, I suggest you gain some sense of compassion.
But only enough to save face.  Everyone knows image is worth giving away a few bucks.
2007-07-29 09:27:00
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If you plan to stay in America, I suggest you gain some sense of compassion.
But only enough to save face.  Everyone knows image is worth giving away a few bucks.
Ironically, I do agree with you, that is how it is viewed, however, what does this say? If I don't give I am a heartless bastard, if a do give, I am a insincere  heartless bastard. Good grief.

 

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