TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|7110|Colorado
The fight goes on, makes me wonder what history he was taught. Wonder if he remembers his clan supporting the Nazis.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/wl_ … yclical_dc

When will people deal with reality & forsake faith?

Last edited by TrollmeaT (2007-11-30 10:46:23)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6884|Chicago, IL
well, stalin and mao zedong were both atheists I believe, but that wasn't their motivation, and Hitler, Bin Laden, and thousands of regional warlords were all religious to some extent.  In fact, i'm fairly sure it was christians that slaughtered every man, woman, and child in Jerusalem back in the 12th century
Zukabazuka
Member
+23|7123
Like when he says "Let us put it very simply: man needs God, otherwise he remains without hope." Yah, hope is not something you should put faith in.
Mr Caek
You will be baked, and then there will be cake.
+12|6437|Lincoln, UK
I think people who are religious have absolutely no concept of logic. e.g. My RE teacher thinks evolution is fake.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6967|Global Command
"Faithless"

I've got my own moral compass to steer by
A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
And all the preaching voices -
Empty vessels ring so loud
As they move among the crowd
Fools and thieves are well disguised
In the temple and market place

Like a stone in the river
Against the floods of spring
I will quietly resist

Like the willows in the wind
Or the cliffs along the ocean
I will quietly resist

I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief
You can call me faithless
I still cling to hope
And I believe in love
And that's faith enough for me

I've got my own spirit level for balance
To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
And all the shouting voices
Try to throw me off my course
Some by sermon, some by force
Fools and thieves are dangerous
In the temple and market place

Like a forest bows to winter
Beneath the deep white silence
I will quietly resist

Like a flower in the desert
That only blooms at night
I will quietly resist





Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7122|Espoo, Finland
He stil looks like a Star Wars character.
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6435

Mr Caek wrote:

I think people who are religious have absolutely no concept of logic. e.g. My RE teacher thinks evolution is fake.
I'm calling your bluff.  I am religious.  Agnostic Christian is the best term I've found to describe me, but I have faith nonetheless.  I also hold logic very dear.  Your anecdotal evidence of one person who disbelieves evolution is irrelevant.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7078|Your moms bedroom
i cant stop laughing...... hahahahah

religious leaders.... hahahahaahahah

he needs to stfu and gtfo, i hope i go to hell for saying that.... oh wait... thats right there is no hell
Bull3t
stephen brule
+83|6739
Pope Benedict, in an encyclical released on Friday, said atheism was responsible for some of the "greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice"
This really tickled me.

Any person from any religion knows atheism is not responsible for great crueltys.

Any one can be cruel and do cruel things.

He's getting old and confused.
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7267|Denver colorado

HollisHurlbut wrote:

Mr Caek wrote:

I think people who are religious have absolutely no concept of logic. e.g. My RE teacher thinks evolution is fake.
I'm calling your bluff.  I am religious.  Agnostic Christian is the best term I've found to describe me, but I have faith nonetheless.  I also hold logic very dear.  Your anecdotal evidence of one person who disbelieves evolution is irrelevant.
I agree. Atheism can be just as ignorant as religion.

Last edited by lavadisk (2007-11-30 12:32:53)

Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6437|...
If you go through the atheism idea and wish to have logic behind every tree we theoretically couldn't exist.

simple as that.

Most religions are stupid also though, but I don't care wether someone is atheist catholic jew or muslims as long as they are friendly and open it's all good.

Last edited by dayarath (2007-11-30 12:36:45)

inane little opines
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7078|Your moms bedroom
there is no ignorant religion, just ignorant people, with that being said, the leader of  Cathlocism religion is..... very ignorant
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7068|Washington, DC

ATG, I think Megadeth put it better

Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand

Fools like me, who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God's command?

A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand

The end is near, it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to Israel
It might be your homeland

Holy wars

[Solo - Friedman]

Upon my podium, as the
Know it all scholar
Down in my seat of judgement
Gavel's bang, uphold the law
Up on my soapbox, a leader
Out to change the world
Down in my pulpit as the holier
Than-thou-could-be-messenger of God

Wage the war on organized crime
Sneak attacks, repel down the rocks
Behind the lines
Some people risk to employ me
Some people live to destroy me
Either way they die. they die

[Solo - Friedman]

They killed my wife and my baby,
With hopes to enslave me
First mistake... last mistake
Paid by the alliance, to slay all the giants
Next mistake... no more mistakes!

[Solo - Mustaine]

Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite
Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't
Thinkin' it.
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away
I know what I said, now I must scream of the overdose
And the lack of mercy killings.
mercy killings
mercy killings
killings!!
killings!!
killings!!
next thing you know
they'll take my thoughts away!
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7267|Denver colorado
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6437|...
yay for megadeth :]
inane little opines
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7122|United States of America
It's a bit foolish for him to do so, as it seems almost pointless to try and change anyone's mind about that subject. Still, religion exists without God or a god. To me, it doesn't matter if there is or is not a god as I'll still be Catholic. The teachings are more important to me than the diety, and I wish that more people thought that way. When someone grows up valuing honesty, self-control, forgiveness, tolerance, et cetera, and doesn't commit crimes, it matters so little if they believe in a god or not, because that won't necessarily make them a better or worse person.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6980|Texas - Bigger than France
The Pope is making a bad argument, but the message is in there somewhere.  Unfortunately people have already proved morality exists in atheism.

I'm pro-Pope usually but the new guy is getting on my nerves a bit.  He needs a new public relations department or something.  Wasn't the Pope arguing against religion being involved in politics re: Middle East about a year ago?
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7217|Great Brown North

Gawwad wrote:

He stil looks like a Star Wars character.
lol he does too


he's the pope, what do you expect?
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7267|Denver colorado
Hitler was a nazi.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina
As has been said numerous times...  Religion and Atheism aren't the enemy.  Dogma is...  Fanaticism and rigidity of thought are the source of some of the world's worst ideas, and when they are put into action, well...  you know the rest....

Speaking of dogma...  The Pope represents a dogma that is about 2 or 3 centuries out of date....
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6975|Long Island, New York
I'm Jewish, but...

I'm pretty sure christianity and islam have been the two main sources of death and strife on earth...
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
are the end times coming or something?
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6435

Poseidon wrote:

I'm Jewish, but...

I'm pretty sure christianity and islam have been the two main sources of death and strife on earth...
Who cares?  It's irrelevant whether atheism's twentieth century 50+ million body count is greater than the cumulative Muslim and Christian slaughter over the centuries.  Dead is dead, no matter what the (anti-)religious motiviation for the killing is.  Whether you're on a crusade to convert, or on a crusade to destroy religions, you're wrong when you start killing people.  As someone said above, the problem isn't religion, it's dogma.

The solution is for everyone to get off their high horses and let everyone else alone.
David.P
Banned
+649|6711

HollisHurlbut wrote:

Who cares?  It's irrelevant whether atheism's twentieth century 50+ million body count is greater than the cumulative Muslim and Christian slaughter over the centuries.  Dead is dead, no matter what the (anti-)religious motiviation for the killing is.  Whether you're on a crusade to convert, or on a crusade to destroy religions, you're wrong when you start killing people.  As someone said above, the problem isn't religion, it's dogma.

The solution is for everyone to get off their high horses and let everyone else alone.
QFMOTHERFUCKENT! Sadly some groups are more prone to result to violent means.
David.P
Banned
+649|6711

lavadisk wrote:

Wtf does anime have to do with this?

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