BF2S Forums The Pope Vs. Atheism

Like when he says "Let us put it very simply: man needs God, otherwise he remains without hope." Yah, hope is not something you should put faith in.

"Faithless"

I've got my own moral compass to steer by
A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
And all the preaching voices -
Empty vessels ring so loud
As they move among the crowd
Fools and thieves are well disguised
In the temple and market place

Like a stone in the river
Against the floods of spring
I will quietly resist

Like the willows in the wind
Or the cliffs along the ocean
I will quietly resist

I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief
You can call me faithless
I still cling to hope
And I believe in love
And that's faith enough for me

I've got my own spirit level for balance
To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
And all the shouting voices
Try to throw me off my course
Some by sermon, some by force
Fools and thieves are dangerous
In the temple and market place

Like a forest bows to winter
Beneath the deep white silence
I will quietly resist

Like a flower in the desert
That only blooms at night
I will quietly resist

Mr Caek wrote:

I think people who are religious have absolutely no concept of logic. e.g. My RE teacher thinks evolution is fake.

I'm calling your bluff.  I am religious.  Agnostic Christian is the best term I've found to describe me, but I have faith nonetheless.  I also hold logic very dear.  Your anecdotal evidence of one person who disbelieves evolution is irrelevant.

Pope Benedict, in an encyclical released on Friday, said atheism was responsible for some of the "greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice"

This really tickled me.

Any person from any religion knows atheism is not responsible for great crueltys.

Any one can be cruel and do cruel things.

He's getting old and confused.

If you go through the atheism idea and wish to have logic behind every tree we theoretically couldn't exist.

simple as that.

Most religions are stupid also though, but I don't care wether someone is atheist catholic jew or muslims as long as they are friendly and open it's all good.

Last edited by dayarath (2007-11-30 12:36:45)

ATG, I think Megadeth put it better

Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand

Fools like me, who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God's command?

A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand

The end is near, it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to Israel
It might be your homeland

Holy wars

[Solo - Friedman]

Upon my podium, as the
Know it all scholar
Down in my seat of judgement
Gavel's bang, uphold the law
Up on my soapbox, a leader
Out to change the world
Down in my pulpit as the holier
Than-thou-could-be-messenger of God

Wage the war on organized crime
Sneak attacks, repel down the rocks
Behind the lines
Some people risk to employ me
Some people live to destroy me
Either way they die. they die

[Solo - Friedman]

They killed my wife and my baby,
With hopes to enslave me
First mistake... last mistake
Paid by the alliance, to slay all the giants
Next mistake... no more mistakes!

[Solo - Mustaine]

Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite
Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't
Thinkin' it.
Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away
I know what I said, now I must scream of the overdose
And the lack of mercy killings.
mercy killings
mercy killings
killings!!
killings!!
killings!!
next thing you know
they'll take my thoughts away!

yay for megadeth :]

The Pope is making a bad argument, but the message is in there somewhere.  Unfortunately people have already proved morality exists in atheism.

I'm pro-Pope usually but the new guy is getting on my nerves a bit.  He needs a new public relations department or something.  Wasn't the Pope arguing against religion being involved in politics re: Middle East about a year ago?

Hitler was a nazi.

I'm Jewish, but...

I'm pretty sure christianity and islam have been the two main sources of death and strife on earth...

Poseidon wrote:

I'm Jewish, but...

I'm pretty sure christianity and islam have been the two main sources of death and strife on earth...

Who cares?  It's irrelevant whether atheism's twentieth century 50+ million body count is greater than the cumulative Muslim and Christian slaughter over the centuries.  Dead is dead, no matter what the (anti-)religious motiviation for the killing is.  Whether you're on a crusade to convert, or on a crusade to destroy religions, you're wrong when you start killing people.  As someone said above, the problem isn't religion, it's dogma.

The solution is for everyone to get off their high horses and let everyone else alone.

lavadisk wrote:

Wtf does anime have to do with this?