Shocking
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Towards religions.

It usually isn't the religion that makes people bad, it's people that make people bad, as I stated in a previous post it isn't the muslims which are generally bad it's the way their middle-eastern parents raise their children - every religion has bad things in it.

I mean the old testament of christianity isn't all flowers and sunshine either, nor is the koran or any other religious book. It's the people that get the wrong message which are bad. Also, religion is oftenly used as an easy way to opress countries - (which is happening alot in the middle east at the moment) even so it's still those leaders which are responsible.

Get your shit togheter and don't be too narrow.

Last edited by dayarath (2007-12-03 11:22:37)

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I'm Jamesey
Do a Research Noob
+506|6570|Scotland!
Thanks, I was planning to continue the hate but then I read this. It's about time someone compiled a working method to stop the hate. Bravo
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7059|London, England
Religion has alot to do with it. Look how Islam has turned the Persians/Everyone East of Arabia that converted to Islam into arse backward fools from what they used to be.

If you want an example of Fail + Fail = Megafail, look at Sub-Saharan Africa and Islam and see what happens when you mix the two. Somalia is what.

I got loads of Muslim friends, and they're all cool people. Some of the girls are sexy and yes I would, but I still hate the religion.

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Shocking
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I'm Jamesey wrote:

Thanks, I was planning to continue the hate but then I read this. It's about time someone compiled a working method to stop the hate. Bravo
Glad to hear that jamesey, you're always in such an incredible mood.
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heggs
Spamalamadingdong
+581|6826|New York
I'll stop hating religion when religion stops causing senseless wars.
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bennisboy
Member
+829|7084|Poundland
lol, we are jus messing around, jeez
Shocking
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bennisboy wrote:

lol, we are jus messing around, jeez
some aren't
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eusgen
Nugget
+402|7230|Jupiter
I'm Atheist.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6963|South Florida

dayarath wrote:

Towards religions.

It usually isn't the religion that makes people bad, it's people that make people bad, as I stated in a previous post it isn't the muslims which are generally bad it's the way their middle-eastern parents raise their children - every religion has bad things in it.

I mean the old testament of christianity isn't all flowers and sunshine either, nor is the koran or any other religious book. It's the people that get the wrong message which are bad. Also, religion is oftenly used as an easy way to opress countries - (which is happening alot in the middle east at the moment) even so it's still those leaders which are responsible.

Get your shit togheter and don't be too narrow.
When your religion tells you that if you kill a non-believer, you are garenteed a spot in heaven, where you get 72 virgins and a few 100 thousand slaves.

And millions if not billions believe it.

Yet its all a huge pointless lie.

If that isn't something to hate, i dont know what is.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6783|Twyford, UK
I don't hate religion, I just hate overly religious people.
SizzlingMidget
Member
+39|6737|UK

Mitch wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Towards religions.

It usually isn't the religion that makes people bad, it's people that make people bad, as I stated in a previous post it isn't the muslims which are generally bad it's the way their middle-eastern parents raise their children - every religion has bad things in it.

I mean the old testament of christianity isn't all flowers and sunshine either, nor is the koran or any other religious book. It's the people that get the wrong message which are bad. Also, religion is oftenly used as an easy way to opress countries - (which is happening alot in the middle east at the moment) even so it's still those leaders which are responsible.

Get your shit togheter and don't be too narrow.
When your religion tells you that if you kill a non-believer, you are garenteed a spot in heaven, where you get 72 virgins and a few 100 thousand slaves.

And millions if not billions believe it.

Yet its all a huge pointless lie.

If that isn't something to hate, i dont know what is.
Can you prove that Religion is a pointless lie? If you can i would like to see you try. I understand that religion has caused many wars etc. However religion has also done a lot of good in the past. Religion isn't all bad.

Last edited by SizzlingMidget (2007-12-03 11:51:50)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6800|Vancouver
Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.

Regardless of whether some religions were not intended for certain things, particularly the acts of many theists, it is those acts that define the religion. It is religion at fault, as much as it is the individual's fault. Mind you, many atheists do not advocate persecution of theists, but merely the religions and those followers who fanatically follow it to the detriment of everyone else.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7128|Tampa Bay Florida

heggs wrote:

I'll stop hating religion when religion stops causing senseless wars.
I'll stop hating religion when it stops hating me. 

[insert religion here] claims I am without morals for being an atheist.  [insert religion here] claims I am bad because I don't believe what they believe.  [insert religion here] believes I should not exist for not believing what they believe. 

I have no problem with people who are religious, but do not let their religion control their lives and their decisions.  Something is seriously fucked up in this world if in the USA, an atheist can't even get elected to the presidency.  How do I know that?  Because hardly any atheists even run, because they know they have no chance.  (Not sure how many atheists are even elected to Congress, not many)

Religious people do good things because they believe they will be rewarded for it.  Atheists do good things because it's the right thing to do.  Now don't go tell me I'm a bad person because I don't believe, it's insulting.  I'm ashamed I love among such fucked up people.

rant over.

Last edited by Spearhead (2007-12-03 11:53:25)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6800|Vancouver

SizzlingMidget wrote:

Can you prove that Religion is a pointless lie?
It's religion that must prove its claims.
Mr Caek
You will be baked, and then there will be cake.
+12|6438|Lincoln, UK

Drakef wrote:

Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.
lol, flamecakes.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6437|...

Drakef wrote:

Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.

Regardless of whether some religions were not intended for certain things, particularly the acts of many theists, it is those acts that define the religion. It is religion at fault, as much as it is the individual's fault. Mind you, many atheists do not advocate persecution of theists, but merely the religions and those followers who fanatically follow it to the detriment of everyone else.
If we didn't have religion we'd have something else to fight about anyway, and atheists overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist. Religion itself is a good initiative it's people who bend it to their own good.

Doesn't the old testament say when mozes comes down the mountain after he smashed one of the two tablets all the people down should kill eachother to be forgiven of their sins, doesn't sound much more promising to me than the koran.

(I believe in god but not in any religion on this planet to date, but I do think atheists tend to be as ignorant as religious people)

Last edited by dayarath (2007-12-03 11:57:57)

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7039|132 and Bush

Interpretation is everything.
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Shocking
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+333|6437|...

Kmarion wrote:

Interpretation is everything.
well according to the one above saying that if they kill a non-believer they should await a heaven it should be the same interpretation am I right
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Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6800|Vancouver

dayarath wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.

Regardless of whether some religions were not intended for certain things, particularly the acts of many theists, it is those acts that define the religion. It is religion at fault, as much as it is the individual's fault. Mind you, many atheists do not advocate persecution of theists, but merely the religions and those followers who fanatically follow it to the detriment of everyone else.
If we didn't have religion we'd have something else to fight about anyway, and atheists overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist. Religion itself is a good initiative it's people who bend it to their own good.

Doesn't the old testament say when mozes comes down the mountain after he smashed one of the two tablets all the people down should kill eachother to be forgiven of their sins, doesn't sound much more promising to me than the koran.

(I believe in god but not in any religion on this planet to date, but I do think atheists tend to be as ignorant as religious people)
Did I say that all warfare is from religion? In fact, I did not say anything closely relating to that matter. But it does not excuse religion from what occurs on its basis, nor deny that religion is a motivating factor for hate and destruction.

Apparently, I "overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist". What does that even mean? It seems crazier than solipsism, and I was not aware it was a strong philosophical idea, let alone an "incredible fact".

Religion can be a good initiative for people who do good, but these people who do good can be benevolent outside of religion. It is not exclusive to religion, and those who are good would likely still be good without religion. Do not try to pull this crap that religion makes for better morals.

Tell me, how are atheists more ignorant?
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6988|CH/BR - in UK

I'm just not a big fan of major religions... We already have enough segregation in society... Religion is just another way to group people imo. If people would just see the difference between interpretations on religions... Meh, I dunno.

I try not to judge anyone by their religion, though... Should be the individual that makes the difference... Can't help but making judgements sometimes though, because I'm human... *hides*

-konfusion
SizzlingMidget
Member
+39|6737|UK
One thing i do hate is how much people impose their religious view points as well as their opinions on other religions onto their children. This causes their children to more often than not follow a religion without thinking for themselves. If they have this hatred towards other religions from the outset what hope is there of them changing their viewpoints?
This will ultimately just spawn more extremism and more hate brought on by religion. If only we could let our children think for themselves.

Last edited by SizzlingMidget (2007-12-03 12:32:58)

Shocking
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Drakef wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.

Regardless of whether some religions were not intended for certain things, particularly the acts of many theists, it is those acts that define the religion. It is religion at fault, as much as it is the individual's fault. Mind you, many atheists do not advocate persecution of theists, but merely the religions and those followers who fanatically follow it to the detriment of everyone else.
If we didn't have religion we'd have something else to fight about anyway, and atheists overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist. Religion itself is a good initiative it's people who bend it to their own good.

Doesn't the old testament say when mozes comes down the mountain after he smashed one of the two tablets all the people down should kill eachother to be forgiven of their sins, doesn't sound much more promising to me than the koran.

(I believe in god but not in any religion on this planet to date, but I do think atheists tend to be as ignorant as religious people)
Did I say that all warfare is from religion? In fact, I did not say anything closely relating to that matter. But it does not excuse religion from what occurs on its basis, nor deny that religion is a motivating factor for hate and destruction.

Apparently, I "overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist". What does that even mean? It seems crazier than solipsism, and I was not aware it was a strong philosophical idea, let alone an "incredible fact".

Religion can be a good initiative for people who do good, but these people who do good can be benevolent outside of religion. It is not exclusive to religion, and those who are good would likely still be good without religion. Do not try to pull this crap that religion makes for better morals.

Tell me, how are atheists more ignorant?
Sorry about the war thing that actually belonged to a quote of another post, and well about the non existance stuff let me explain because I thought about this for a long time.

You see, I started thinking about it first when I met the idea of string theory, and well I'm only going in on that at one point and that's where it states there are about 11 dimensions ( I believe string theory is mostly true, simply because it's mathematically too correct to be wrong. ), anyway - if you start going back to the start via a logic viewpoint you'd end up with this:

First, you get the big bang, now this is actually a bit more easy to explain whilst membranes can grow to immense sizes in theory, even as big as a whole universe, so it's a likely possibility our universe is one large membrane, meaning that if our universe exist another universe should be in existance aswell to create a "bang".

Basically, all you need is two universae as membranes, to collide - in this collision there will be so much energy released that a bang is possible and a new membrane or universe comes into existance, this is possible - and might explain the big bang theory and well, our universe ( basically, everything exists out of energy particles, an energy particle is smaller than an atom and is basically called a "string" which what string theory is all about.) ((It might be possible to communicate with other dimensional things like a universe or universae in our universe by manipulating gravity but that's not what we're on about))

Now, how do we get two membranes, to be there for a collision?

You can think of all kinds of crazy stuff going from lifeforms that created us (possibly a god) and last but not least if you trail that back alot of times you'd eventually end up with the thing that there has to be another dimension in our dimension (string theory suggests there are 11 dimensions which are unimaginable probably, but lots of them on atomic level presumably, and atleast one in which our membrane came into existance.)

Now if you trail back I said you have to get to another dimension in which we should be, which I would call a dimension without reason (here it's only philosophy because science cannot be the solution to our existance (basically logic + logic = more logic, meaning that if we'd trail back with logic we'd only end up with more logic which actually has to end at some point, because nothing should be able to exist without something else.)

The inevitable solution is to trail towards the "no logic" point, and this no logic point is what I think to be a dimension without any logic or reason. Simply said a dimension in which everything can pop in and out of existance just like that, a blank space where time and anything doesn't exist, there are no rules of science it just "is there", basically, because science needs to have roots somewhere, and science cannot explain itself whilst it needs logic.

So this dimension without reason could have spawned everything from the two starting membranes, then why do I believe in god while I say there's a dimension without reason (because we can't exist without one)

That is, because our universe is too perfect it has to be hand made, all the atoms strings molecules everything makes sense. So much sense even there has to be some brilliant thing out there which has to have the power to put all these particles in such place that it ends up with this.

Now you understand why I say atheism cannot be logic, and thus is not right. Eitherway atheists have to be wrong because believing in nothing like a deity or point in which existance started like the no reason point ends up with no existance.

I believe the only solution to our complete existance trailed back is a combined form of science and philosophy.
Religion is basically a philosophy, it's message is usually clear and simple : believe and do good, there's no reason to bash religion for it, there's reason to bash the people who touched it and manipulated it. That's why atheists are ignorant some times, they don't see that religion all started out as a simple good idea rather than something to control.

Sadly there are only few who really get the idea of religion.
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Shocking
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basically being religious is more logic than being an atheist.

and that's actually quite ironic.

Last edited by dayarath (2007-12-03 13:01:36)

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r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|7034|Michigan, USA
One thing I will say in defense of religion

The absense of proof is not the proof of absense.

You can't prove that it doesn't exist, and you can't prove it doe's exist.

Last edited by r2zoo (2007-12-03 12:57:32)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7070|949

r2zoo wrote:

One thing I will say in defense of religion

The absense of proof is not the proof of absense.

You can't prove that it doesn't exist, and you can't prove it doe's exist.
Once there is a shred of verifiable evidence, I'm all ears.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Fire-breathing dragons exist because I say they do.  So what if there is no evidence, I say they exist, therefore you must be open to the idea.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-12-03 13:05:25)

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