Drakef wrote:
dayarath wrote:
Drakef wrote:
Mocking the belief of an imaginary sky-man isn't a bad thing.
Regardless of whether some religions were not intended for certain things, particularly the acts of many theists, it is those acts that define the religion. It is religion at fault, as much as it is the individual's fault. Mind you, many atheists do not advocate persecution of theists, but merely the religions and those followers who fanatically follow it to the detriment of everyone else.
If we didn't have religion we'd have something else to fight about anyway, and atheists overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist. Religion itself is a good initiative it's people who bend it to their own good.
Doesn't the old testament say when mozes comes down the mountain after he smashed one of the two tablets all the people down should kill eachother to be forgiven of their sins, doesn't sound much more promising to me than the koran.
(I believe in god but not in any religion on this planet to date, but I do think atheists tend to be as ignorant as religious people)
Did I say that all warfare is from religion? In fact, I did not say anything closely relating to that matter. But it does not excuse religion from what occurs on its basis, nor deny that religion is a motivating factor for hate and destruction.
Apparently, I "overlook the incredible fact that if you wish to view everything with logic in mind you actually can't exist". What does that even mean? It seems crazier than solipsism, and I was not aware it was a strong philosophical idea, let alone an "incredible fact".
Religion can be a good initiative for people who do good, but these people who do good can be benevolent outside of religion. It is not exclusive to religion, and those who are good would likely still be good without religion. Do not try to pull this crap that religion makes for better morals.
Tell me, how are atheists more ignorant?
Sorry about the war thing that actually belonged to a quote of another post, and well about the non existance stuff let me explain because I thought about this for a long time.
You see, I started thinking about it first when I met the idea of string theory, and well I'm only going in on that at one point and that's where it states there are about 11 dimensions ( I believe string theory is mostly true, simply because it's mathematically too correct to be wrong. ), anyway - if you start going back to the start via a logic viewpoint you'd end up with this:
First, you get the big bang, now this is actually a bit more easy to explain whilst membranes can grow to immense sizes in theory, even as big as a whole universe, so it's a likely possibility our universe is one large membrane, meaning that if our universe exist another universe should be in existance aswell to create a "bang".
Basically, all you need is two universae as membranes, to collide - in this collision there will be so much energy released that a bang is possible and a new membrane or universe comes into existance, this is possible - and might explain the big bang theory and well, our universe ( basically, everything exists out of energy particles, an energy particle is smaller than an atom and is basically called a "string" which what string theory is all about.) ((It might be possible to communicate with other dimensional things like a universe or universae in our universe by manipulating gravity but that's not what we're on about))
Now, how do we get two membranes, to be there for a collision?
You can think of all kinds of crazy stuff going from lifeforms that created us (possibly a god) and last but not least if you trail that back alot of times you'd eventually end up with the thing that there has to be another dimension in our dimension (string theory suggests there are 11 dimensions which are unimaginable probably, but lots of them on atomic level presumably, and atleast one in which our membrane came into existance.)
Now if you trail back I said you have to get to another dimension in which we should be, which I would call a dimension without reason (here it's only philosophy because science cannot be the solution to our existance (basically logic + logic = more logic, meaning that if we'd trail back with logic we'd only end up with more logic which actually has to end at some point, because nothing should be able to exist without something else.)
The inevitable solution is to trail towards the "no logic" point, and this no logic point is what I think to be a dimension without any logic or reason. Simply said a dimension in which everything can pop in and out of existance just like that, a blank space where time and anything doesn't exist, there are no rules of science it just "is there", basically, because science needs to have roots somewhere, and science cannot explain itself whilst it needs logic.
So this dimension without reason could have spawned everything from the two starting membranes, then why do I believe in god while I say there's a dimension without reason (because we can't exist without one)
That is, because our universe is too perfect it has to be hand made, all the atoms strings molecules everything makes sense. So much sense even there has to be some brilliant thing out there which has to have the power to put all these particles in such place that it ends up with this.
Now you understand why I say atheism cannot be logic, and thus is not right. Eitherway atheists have to be wrong because believing in nothing like a deity or point in which existance started like the no reason point ends up with no existance.
I believe the only solution to our complete existance trailed back is a combined form of science and philosophy.
Religion is basically a philosophy, it's message is usually clear and simple : believe and do good, there's no reason to bash religion for it, there's reason to bash the people who touched it and manipulated it. That's why atheists are ignorant some times, they don't see that religion all started out as a simple good idea rather than something to control.
Sadly there are only few who really get the idea of religion.