stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7157|California

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Well, following any non-renewable source, its gonna happen soon enough.

Heres how I see the Oil Apocalypse going down (Figuring we haven't found a decent alternative)



Part I: Gas Prices around the world are through the roof. Personal vehicles become too expensive to run for the average person. Public Transportation is also becoming expensive and crowded. Airline fees are too expensive for most people to use. There is a multi-national search for undersea oil reserves.

Part 2: People become bitter(er) and they start turning on each other. I could see people hijacking Gas trucks off US roads. Gas stations no longer get robbed for cash, but for gas. Gas is siphoned out of cars, out of holding tanks. People start taking the law into their own hands, etc. Smaller nations begin to fight with each other over reserves.

Part 3: Wars. Lots of them. Countries that are already warring, war with others. Civil war in some places. Superpowers try to hold things back, still working on a solution. People can no longer afford to use cars. Oil exporting countries are down half in production.

Part 4: OPEC shuts down. All ground oil that hasn't been discovered is gone. Only reserves left. Major wars start. Some Arab country with reserves shuts down its exports, saving the rest for its people. Other nations attack (US, UN possibly). There is no de-throning goal or freeing the people. Its get to the Reserves and export them. Yelling at NATO, the UN. Bitter hostilities. Bombs begin to drop all over.

Part 5: The last of the Reserves. Who knows? Seriously. Without Oil, an Army cannot function. Planes won't fly, boats will be lost at sea forever. Power and water grids start to shut down. Cars lay vacant on the roads, trains lay empty. Airports turn to ghost towns

Part 6: None Left. What now? Seriously. Troops on the other side of the world are stranded there. There is no power, no water, no communication. Nothing. War seems pointless now, so it ceases.

Aftermath. Would history re-start? Would we start at the stone age and work up to the top again? Or would the desperate measures of a hundred nations render the possibility of civilized society useless?

What is your take on this scenario?
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Roger Lesboules
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+316|7014|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
I dont think it would be that apocalyptic...with all the petrol we got in the Canada (Alberta) we can still keep a good flow of it for what, at least 10 years easily..

Also, if cars get too expensive to run, big company that produce em will finally release the alternative that they try to hide from us...Electric car are already here and some other kind too, but big motor company keep em hidden by buying the patent on them etc etc...Dont know if you get my point.
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stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7157|California

I wouldn't mind a Mad Max world. Oil trucks full of sand ftw!

I dont think it would be that apocalyptic...with all the petrol we got in the Canada (Alberta) we can still keep a good flow of it for what, at least 10 years easily..

Also, if cars get too expensive to run, big company that produce em will finally release the alternative that they try to hide from us...Electric car are already here and some other kind too, but big motor company keep em hidden by buying the patent on them etc etc...Dont know if you get my point.
I know that we will figure it out eventually, but my scenario was without an alternative. Kinda like a plan B gone wrong
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7086|Washington DC

First, peak oil has been shifting to the right for as long as I can remember (if the peak oil forecasts from 20 years ago were accurate, we are already out of oil).  So, the shortage crisis is unrealistic.

Second, Americans will never give up their cars, so your Part I is science fiction.  Though I believe that gas prices will continue to rise, the use of gas for new cars will be abandoned in 15 years.  We will probably be electric, and possibly hydrogen.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7153
I doubt we will be using gas to power vehicles in 20 years... or maybe even sooner...
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pirana6
Go Cougs!
+697|6727|Washington St.
as soon as car makers stop making money because nobody can pay for gas to buy their cars they will look to alternatives, i.e. electric or hydrogen as OrangeHound noted.
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|7033|Michigan, USA
War wont cease just becuase theres no oil, its part of the animal nature of humans, we will always find a way to have an advnatage over others.  Besides, we could always move to bio diesel in extreme crisis, more then enough unused grease floating around this country, who knows Mcdonalds could become the new Exxon.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7203|Cambridge (UK)
We already have the ability to move all our fuel-consumption over to renewables - it's just not economically viable yet.

As catbox says, we won't be using 'gas', as you americans call it (btw, how can you call a liquid 'gas'?), in 20years time, if not sooner.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

Following stryyker's alternative scenario here's what I'd do.


Shack up with my father (no joke, will explain) and as many people as I could find that were trustworthy. Hoard as much as I could in terms of commodities and such, along with grabbing a shitload of solar panels and a transformer system. My brother's an electrician so I figure with a bit of time he could get that all sorted for us and we'd have some sort of electrical supply. My family's property in my home town (not where I am) happens to have a bore that taps the Great Artesian Basin, which is a massive underground water supply here in Australia. Fresh water isn't a problem, nor is electricity.

Next, start working on a permaculture oriented system for food production. My father's a permaculture specialist so we wouldn't take too long to get a sustainable 'farm' that took care of itself. After that just set up a little mini community and grab guns, bullets and such to keep looters out.


On a global scale, the scenario presented by 2142 isn't too far fetched as far as unions of nations goes. The EU already exists and I think if things got desperate on Earth then it would become far more close-nit. The rumours of the North American Union would probably become a fact too, along with various other coalitions. A major war would erupt between Indonesia and Australia with Papua and Timor caught in the middle. The oil and natural gas fields in the Timor sea would be the source of the conflict.
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Machine_Madness
Madness has now come over me
+20|6873|Brisbane, Australia
thought of it before i even read the post lol.


Maybe it could also turn out like Frontlines: Fuel of War
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6966|Global Command
I'd just hang out my the window with my Mini 14.

Drop 'em as they walked by, pile up the beer cans and laugh madly.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6992
Alternative fuel sources ftw. Apocalapyse - not gonna happen. This isn't the first time humanity have had to deal with a major problem, and it certainly won't break us.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6900|Tyne & Wear, England
It can only be a good thing for mankind and planet earth, when non-renewable energy sources completely run out.

It's kind of sad to think I wont be here to see it happen.
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B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7278|Cologne, Germany

CameronPoe wrote:

Alternative fuel sources ftw. Apocalapyse - not gonna happen. This isn't the first time humanity have had to deal with a major problem, and it certainly won't break us.
agreed. and the low-tech ME nations ( Iran, Iraqm, Syria, i.e. ) will be fucked, as they have absolutely no research going in that direction.

and as killswitch said, it's kinda sad most of us won't be around to see this technological revolution unfold.
Shocking
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+333|6436|...
Oil is not so much of a problem, yet

Underneath the north and southpole there are vast amounts of oil greater than any spot we've located so far, the north pole contains an oil field twice the size saudi arabia had (now claimed by russia which should give ALOT of problems)

The south pole also has great oil amounts but our drilling equipment can't reach it yet.

What I fear for is a huge enviromental disaster the moment they start excavating all the resources from the poles, diamonds, platinum, iron, granite, oil, gasses and acids.

Oil will probably be able to last for another 60-70 years if we manage to use less with more power, which we're doing quite rapidly untill it's all finished - by that time we should've figured out how to tap enough power from natural oil sources and water.
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mikkel
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B.Schuss wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Alternative fuel sources ftw. Apocalapyse - not gonna happen. This isn't the first time humanity have had to deal with a major problem, and it certainly won't break us.
agreed. and the low-tech ME nations ( Iran, Iraqm, Syria, i.e. ) will be fucked, as they have absolutely no research going in that direction.

and as killswitch said, it's kinda sad most of us won't be around to see this technological revolution unfold.
Heh, what about that little nuclear power thing that people claim is only for weapons making? It seems to fit perfectly into this scenario as a valid source of power.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7067|Washington, DC

Sounds like some sort of Command and Conquer world, only there's no Tiberium for an alternate fuel source

I'm not actually scared, but figuratively speaking, it's scary that we aren't putting more towards researching alternate fuel sources.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6937|so randum
Ships can use Nuclear. The russians tried a Nuclear powered plane, that worked fine, except they skimped on shielding, and everyone died. Cars can use hydrogen/biofuel (which is pretty unviable, but nevermind). So everything would work out in the end.
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Shocking
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+333|6436|...

FatherTed wrote:

Ships can use Nuclear. The russians tried a Nuclear powered plane, that worked fine, except they skimped on shielding, and everyone died. Cars can use hydrogen/biofuel (which is pretty unviable, but nevermind). So everything would work out in the end.


Two nuclear power plants as engines yessir.

The only problem with nuclear power is the pressure and the radioactive waste, facilities have to be routinely checked especially old ones wether they can handle the production pressure it's under, one more chernobyl and it's over (though chernobyl was more stupidity rather than pressure failures)

The radioactive waste proved to be a real problem when mass producing the energy to make these things start running, the russians dumped it into the sea and burried it everywhere they could, it was a real menace - this waste keeps active for over a couple of hundred years, and shooting it into space is a bit too expensive, so we have to find some kind of countermeasure which breaks down the radioactive waste, which we don't have.

It's a very safe source of energy but if it goes wrong once it goes really, really wrong. You don't want to depend on so much risk - one big powerplant going boom is alot of years of trouble for the region.

Too dangerous, too difficult, no.

about the sub; Russian typhoon class submarine (cold war revolutionary nuclear submarine, look it up on youtube - largest damn sub in the world.)

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TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|7109|Colorado
Actually scientists just said not to long ago that they made a mistake on how much oil is left. They now say we have enough for the next 140 years at current consumption. Sorry I have no link to back this up as I heard it on the news & can't be bothered to look for it now.
If I find it later I'll post it unless someone wants to beat me to it.
mikkel
Member
+383|7038

TrollmeaT wrote:

Actually scientists just said not to long ago that they made a mistake on how much oil is left. They now say we have enough for the next 140 years at current consumption. Sorry I have no link to back this up as I heard it on the news & can't be bothered to look for it now.
If I find it later I'll post it unless someone wants to beat me to it.
Oil drives the world. You don't just make "a mistake" about that.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6436|...

mikkel wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

Actually scientists just said not to long ago that they made a mistake on how much oil is left. They now say we have enough for the next 140 years at current consumption. Sorry I have no link to back this up as I heard it on the news & can't be bothered to look for it now.
If I find it later I'll post it unless someone wants to beat me to it.
Oil drives the world. You don't just make "a mistake" about that.
It's correct if we manage to reach the oil fields we couldn't so far, we've only drilled through a fraction of the crust of this earth. I'm sure there is ALOT more oil down there than we think.
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