How can anyone approve of these lists?

2007-12-11 08:02:45

#1

mikkel: Member; +383|7038

http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … ;cset=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/ … 7422.shtml

Article's too long to paste in here. It has been said over and over again that this is what those public databases would lead to. Why do people still approve of them?

Last edited by mikkel (2007-12-11 08:03:23)

2007-12-11 15:15:07

#2

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6567|North Tonawanda, NY

The LA Times article requires registration, but the CBS article...

Think of the Children!!!!

Oppose it, and be demonized for being pro-rape/child molestation/whatever. It really sucks for the guy who got killed. That other dude should never have killed him, even if he was legitimately on the list.

2007-12-11 18:51:28

#3

iamangry: Member; +59|7082|The United States of America

More reason not to put it in children's butts?

Don't get me wrong, i think people have a right to their privacy. But that includes children. It's the modern day equivalent of the scarlet letter, arguably in a more noble application, but in the end still the same beast.

2007-12-11 21:36:21

#4

BVC: Member; +325|7132

Don't molest kids and you won't have a problem.

2007-12-11 23:25:32

#5

T.Pike: 99 Problems . . .; +187|6720|Pennsyltucky

Pubic wrote:
Don't molest kids and you won't have a problem.

QFT , however doesn't apply in this case:

As it turned out, Dodele was not actually a child molester. His records show he sexually assaulted adult women. But a listing on the Megan's Law Web site could have left Oliver with the impression that he had abused children because of the way that it was written.

Child molesters should face mandatory life sentences for touching a child IMHO.

2007-12-11 23:34:13

#6

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6966|Global Command

mikkel wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … ;cset=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/ … 7422.shtml

Article's too long to paste in here. It has been said over and over again that this is what those public databases would lead to. Why do people still approve of them?

Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.

2007-12-12 01:31:05

#7

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7278|Cologne, Germany

those databases are a load of bullshit, if you ask me. How are people that have been released from prison supposed to be able to successfully re-integrate with society, if their names and places of residence are made public ?
That is bound to provoke negative reactions, the results of which can be seen in above mentioned article.

You either believe in re-socialization, or you don't. But if you do, don't throw ex-cons to the lions. You might just as well lock them up indefinitely.

2007-12-12 01:33:52

#8

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7278|Cologne, Germany

ATG wrote:
mikkel wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … ;cset=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/ … 7422.shtml

Article's too long to paste in here. It has been said over and over again that this is what those public databases would lead to. Why do people still approve of them?
Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.

the man in question wasn't a child abuser. How do you justify his killing ? Or are you suggesting that people take the law in their own hands ?

2007-12-12 01:36:49

#9

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7209|PNW

B.Schuss wrote:
those databases are a load of bullshit, if you ask me. How are people that have been released from prison supposed to be able to successfully re-integrate with society, if their names and places of residence are made public ?
That is bound to provoke negative reactions, the results of which can be seen in above mentioned article.

You either believe in re-socialization, or you don't. But if you do, don't throw ex-cons to the lions. You might just as well lock them up indefinitely.

I appreciate the databases. I do not want to integrate with a neighbor who dipped his nuts in a little girl's mouth, or who had committed some similar crime. If they're going to be releasing these maniacs into public, people have a right to know so, if they've any sense, they can steer the heck clear and keep their eyeballs peeled.

One possible way to avoid getting your name put in a "you're f*cked forever" list is to not boink anybody who doesn't want to be boinked, or anyone else whom to boink would be illegal.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-12-12 01:39:32)

2007-12-12 01:46:01

#10

KylieTastic: Games, Girls, Guinness; +85|6889|Cambridge, UK

Just goes to prove why the lists are dangerous by the number of people on here that have also just assumed he we a kiddie fiddler

2007-12-12 01:48:41

#11

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7209|PNW

KylieTastic wrote:
Just goes to prove why the lists are dangerous by the number of people on here that have also just assumed he we a kiddie fiddler

Regular rapist, kiddy-fiddler...there are people who would love to see him out of the picture one way or the other for either offense. I don't really feel bad about the loss of one more pervert, but I do feel sorry for the guy who killed him.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-12-12 01:49:48)

2007-12-12 01:59:33

#12

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7278|Cologne, Germany

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
B.Schuss wrote:
those databases are a load of bullshit, if you ask me. How are people that have been released from prison supposed to be able to successfully re-integrate with society, if their names and places of residence are made public ?
That is bound to provoke negative reactions, the results of which can be seen in above mentioned article.

You either believe in re-socialization, or you don't. But if you do, don't throw ex-cons to the lions. You might just as well lock them up indefinitely.
I appreciate the databases. I do not want to integrate with a neighbor who dipped his nuts in a little girl's mouth, or who had committed some similar crime. If they're going to be releasing these maniacs into public, people have a right to know so, if they've any sense, they can steer the heck clear and keep their eyeballs peeled.

One possible way to avoid getting your name put in a "you're f*cked forever" list is to not boink anybody who doesn't want to be boinked, or anyone else whom to boink would be illegal.

well, why do only sex offenders appear on that list then ? Why not murderers or other criminals ? Wouldn't you agree that those who have paid their dues to society by completing a lengthy jail sentence deserve a fair chance to re-integrate ?

2007-12-12 02:05:27

#13

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7209|PNW

B.Schuss wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
B.Schuss wrote:
those databases are a load of bullshit, if you ask me. How are people that have been released from prison supposed to be able to successfully re-integrate with society, if their names and places of residence are made public ?
That is bound to provoke negative reactions, the results of which can be seen in above mentioned article.

You either believe in re-socialization, or you don't. But if you do, don't throw ex-cons to the lions. You might just as well lock them up indefinitely.
I appreciate the databases. I do not want to integrate with a neighbor who dipped his nuts in a little girl's mouth, or who had committed some similar crime. If they're going to be releasing these maniacs into public, people have a right to know so, if they've any sense, they can steer the heck clear and keep their eyeballs peeled.

One possible way to avoid getting your name put in a "you're f*cked forever" list is to not boink anybody who doesn't want to be boinked, or anyone else whom to boink would be illegal.
well, why do only sex offenders appear on that list then ? Why not murderers or other criminals ? Wouldn't you agree that those who have paid their dues to society by completing a lengthy jail sentence deserve a fair chance to re-integrate ?

I wish they would. I'm not a firm believer in reintegration for sickos who commit these myriad atrocities. If I had a dime for every 'cured' maniac who re-offended...

2007-12-12 02:56:23

#14

mikkel: Member; +383|7038

ATG wrote:
mikkel wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … ;cset=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/ … 7422.shtml

Article's too long to paste in here. It has been said over and over again that this is what those public databases would lead to. Why do people still approve of them?
Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.

Vigilante "justice". What a civilised society we live in.

2007-12-12 03:06:25

#15

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

B.Schuss wrote:
well, why do only sex offenders appear on that list then ? Why not murderers or other criminals ? Wouldn't you agree that those who have paid their dues to society by completing a lengthy jail sentence deserve a fair chance to re-integrate ?

It probably has to do with a differential in the rate of recidivism between the types of crimes. Those convicted of sex crimes against children are far more likely to continue committing the crimes, even after treatment.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-12 10:33:48

#16

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6882|The Land of Scott Walker

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
B.Schuss wrote:
those databases are a load of bullshit, if you ask me. How are people that have been released from prison supposed to be able to successfully re-integrate with society, if their names and places of residence are made public ?
That is bound to provoke negative reactions, the results of which can be seen in above mentioned article.

You either believe in re-socialization, or you don't. But if you do, don't throw ex-cons to the lions. You might just as well lock them up indefinitely.
I appreciate the databases. I do not want to integrate with a neighbor who dipped his nuts in a little girl's mouth, or who had committed some similar crime. If they're going to be releasing these maniacs into public, people have a right to know so, if they've any sense, they can steer the heck clear and keep their eyeballs peeled.

One possible way to avoid getting your name put in a "you're f*cked forever" list is to not boink anybody who doesn't want to be boinked, or anyone else whom to boink would be illegal.

Boink. Reminds me of the movie Road Trip. Anyway ...

I think those who prey on children should be locked up indefinitely. Then there's no threat and no list and everyone's happy. Since our justice system insists on releasing these people upon society, my practical side as a parent appreciates the databases. It's public record anyway that they've been convicted and people who are arrested or receive citations are published in many city and state newpapers, too. Wall of Shame type thing. Shall we eliminate these lists because someone might go nuts and break another law by assaulting or killing a convicted sexual predator? There are plenty of ways to get one's rocks off without attacking a child or another adult so forgive me for not shedding a tear for one less criminal . . .

2007-12-12 10:38:12

#17

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7081

tell you the truth I found the article underneath it more interesting

N.Y. Philharmonic To Play In North Korea

Perhaps Bach will be able to do what Bush could not.

The New York Times reports that the New York Philharmonic has accepted an invitation to play in the North Korean capital of Pyongyang in February. The Times says the trip will be the "first significant cultural visit by Americans to that country."

The timing of the announcement - to be made formally today at Avery Fisher Hall - is auspicious, coming amid a series of breakthroughs in the decade-long effort to have North Korea halt its nuclear program.

Just last week, President Bush, who had once consigned North Korea to the "axis of evil," sent a letter to Kim Jong-Il, the country's leader, suggesting ties between their countries could improve if North Korea fully disclosed all nuclear programs and got rid of nuclear weapons.

Although State Department officials have authenticated the invitation and been involved in the planning since it arrived, they appeared to have nothing to do with it originally.

The invitation arrived by fax in August, in the form of a typed letter form the North Korean culture ministry, in English, accompanied by a cover letter from a private individual in California who said he was acting as an intermediary.

Ambassador Christopher Hill, the Bush administration's main diplomat for negotiations with North Korea, said he didn't know how the invitation came about.

Some have questioned the wisdom of visiting a country run by one of the world's most repressive governments, the Times notes. North Korea's politics have been blamed in part for the famine-related starvation of perhaps two million people and it confines hundreds of thousands of people in labor camps.

Hill acknowledged that any kind of opening lends legitimacy to the North Korean government, "but not opening up has not had any positive in bringing North Korea out of its shell."

2007-12-12 10:45:38

#18

PluggedValve: Member; +17|6777

mikkel wrote:
ATG wrote:
mikkel wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … ;cset=true

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/ … 7422.shtml

Article's too long to paste in here. It has been said over and over again that this is what those public databases would lead to. Why do people still approve of them?
Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.
Vigilante "justice". What a civilised society we live in.

Its a pre-emptive strike. Its an approved method by th GWB government. Its also why the US should not be doing pre-emptive strikes. Sometimes you end up being wrong about who your target is. See Iraq War.

Have they found any WMD's yet? Those Iraqi's sure are a threat to americans. (Sarcasm for those that didn't catch it.)

2007-12-12 10:50:53

#19

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7081

why are you obsessed with the United States, dont you people have your own countries with your own problems?

2007-12-12 11:05:59

#20

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7081

Im also quite sure the person(s) that this guy raped arent too upset about his demise.

2007-12-12 11:25:21

#21

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6882|The Land of Scott Walker

PluggedValve wrote:
mikkel wrote:
ATG wrote:
Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.
Vigilante "justice". What a civilised society we live in.
Its a pre-emptive strike. Its an approved method by th GWB government. Its also why the US should not be doing pre-emptive strikes. Sometimes you end up being wrong about who your target is. See Iraq War.

Have they found any WMD's yet? Those Iraqi's sure are a threat to americans. (Sarcasm for those that didn't catch it.)

Everything relates back to Iraq and GWB eh? Start the 1,000,000th thread about it then. Zzzzzzzz.

2007-12-12 18:20:24

#22

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

PluggedValve wrote:
mikkel wrote:
ATG wrote:

Because people who go around dorking little boys deserve everything they get.
Vigilante "justice". What a civilised society we live in.
Its a pre-emptive strike. Its an approved method by th GWB government. Its also why the US should not be doing pre-emptive strikes. Sometimes you end up being wrong about who your target is. See Iraq War.

Have they found any WMD's yet? Those Iraqi's sure are a threat to americans. (Sarcasm for those that didn't catch it.)

You gotta be shittin' me. Are you seriously trying to turn a thread about lists of sex offenders into an Iraq discussion? Seriously?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-12 21:30:59

#23

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

If we're going to have rapist lists, shouldn't we also have murderer lists?

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