Poll

What is Homosexuality?

A genetic condition28%28% - 82
A personal choice36%36% - 104
A mental disorder26%26% - 75
Other9%9% - 27
Total: 288
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

SenorToenails wrote:

jord wrote:

Other than that I'm fine. I tend to think of it as breast feeding. Just not in public please.
See, I don't get that logic.  What makes you think you can decide what is OK and not OK in public?  I don't care if people breastfeed, kiss, or whatever in public, and why should you?  You don't have to watch.
Well, I don't want my kid to see two guys kissing in public.
jord
Member
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sergeriver wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

jord wrote:

Other than that I'm fine. I tend to think of it as breast feeding. Just not in public please.
See, I don't get that logic.  What makes you think you can decide what is OK and not OK in public?  I don't care if people breastfeed, kiss, or whatever in public, and why should you?  You don't have to watch.
Well, I don't want my kid to see two guys kissing in public.
That was one of my reasons too, only I don't have a kid.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

jord wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:


See, I don't get that logic.  What makes you think you can decide what is OK and not OK in public?  I don't care if people breastfeed, kiss, or whatever in public, and why should you?  You don't have to watch.
Well, I don't want my kid to see two guys kissing in public.
That was one of my reasons too, only I don't have a kid.
I'm not a homophobe, but I don't consider it right for a kid to see two guys kissing in public.  They don't understand those things.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6568|North Tonawanda, NY

jord wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

jord wrote:

Other than that I'm fine. I tend to think of it as breast feeding. Just not in public please.
See, I don't get that logic.  What makes you think you can decide what is OK and not OK in public?  I don't care if people breastfeed, kiss, or whatever in public, and why should you?  You don't have to watch.
Various reasons. The only one I need to list is that I don't want to see it. That's why you can't have sex in public. Or run around naked.
Two men (or women) kissing in public is no more distracting than a man kissing a woman.  Having sex in public or streaking are different things.

By saying that people shouldn't be 'gay' in public, you are imposing your own sense of morality on others.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6568|North Tonawanda, NY

sergeriver wrote:

I'm not a homophobe, but I don't consider it right for a kid to see two guys kissing in public.  They don't understand those things.
Do kids come out of the womb with an understanding of sex, and what it means?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

SenorToenails wrote:

jord wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:


See, I don't get that logic.  What makes you think you can decide what is OK and not OK in public?  I don't care if people breastfeed, kiss, or whatever in public, and why should you?  You don't have to watch.
Various reasons. The only one I need to list is that I don't want to see it. That's why you can't have sex in public. Or run around naked.
Two men (or women) kissing in public is no more distracting than a man kissing a woman.  Having sex in public or streaking are different things.

By saying that people shouldn't be 'gay' in public, you are imposing your own sense of morality on others.
How do you explain to a little kid that those two guys have the same relation than his mom and dad?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

SenorToenails wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I'm not a homophobe, but I don't consider it right for a kid to see two guys kissing in public.  They don't understand those things.
Do kids come out of the womb with an understanding of sex, and what it means?
No, that's because it's not appropriate.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6568|North Tonawanda, NY

sergeriver wrote:

How do you explain to a little kid that those two guys have the same relation than his mom and dad?
I guess I don't see the problem with explaining exactly that.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6568|North Tonawanda, NY

sergeriver wrote:

No, that's because it's not appropriate.
And seeing a man and woman kiss is easier for a little kid to understand?  Because that's what mommy and daddy do?  That's not a very good reason.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7174|Salt Lake City

Holy thread necro, Batman!
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

tjocka_vita_kisset wrote:

I still don´t get why 78 members voted a personal choice?
37% of the votes!!!

Who are you people? I´d like to know!

Do you really and I mean really think that you choose who to fall in love with????

I´m stunned!!!!
If you don't choose who you fall in love with, who does?  Also, love and sex are two very different things.
You don't choose who you fall in love with, you just fall in love.  I didn't choose to fall in love with my wife.
Have to disagree there, Serge.  I firmly believe love is a choice that you don't fall in or out of.  My relationship with my wife is one I stay in compeletely by choice and I could end it at any moment.  The first time I met my wife attraction started everything, but that didn't carry me along without any choice like a robot.  I had to decide whether or not to pursue things past initial attraction to a relationship that grew into the choice to love her after months of interaction and building trust.  The warm fuzzy feelings are nice, but they are a biproduct of the choice to love, not the other way around, imho.  Who one has a relationship with, sexual or not, is completely a realm of choice.  To say otherwise would mean we're complete slaves to our emotions to the level of animal instinct. 

The real question here it this: is attraction to the same sex or the opposite sex a choice?  I say yes.  I choose to be attracted to women because, for me, their soft skin and curves trumps what a man offers.  I could choose to pursue a relationship with a man, but I chose not to because I want to enjoy a sexual relationship with a woman and have our own children as a result.  A man could never please me as much my wife can sexually and another man cannot biologically give us our own children.  Beyond that, my faith tells me having a sexual relationship with a man is wrong.  Series of choices.

Edit:

SenorToenails wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, that's because it's not appropriate.
And seeing a man and woman kiss is easier for a little kid to understand?  Because that's what mommy and daddy do?  That's not a very good reason.
Kids have plenty of time to learn about adult sexual choices later and parents do not appreciate adults with an inferiority complex insisting on displaying their "alternative lifestyle" in public.  It's a matter of respect and acting appropriately in public.  I don't want to see anyone making out in public whether they're gay, straight, or otherwise.  Get a room.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-12-20 08:39:27)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|7089|USA

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


If you don't choose who you fall in love with, who does?  Also, love and sex are two very different things.
You don't choose who you fall in love with, you just fall in love.  I didn't choose to fall in love with my wife.
Have to disagree there, Serge.  I firmly believe love is a choice that you don't fall in or out of.  My relationship with my wife is one I stay in compeletely by choice and I could end it at any moment.  The first time I met my wife attraction started everything, but that didn't carry me along without any choice like a robot.  I had to decide whether or not to pursue things past initial attraction to a relationship that grew into the choice to love her after months of interaction and building trust.  The warm fuzzy feelings are nice, but they are a biproduct of the choice to love, not the other way around, imho.  Who one has a relationship with, sexual or not, is completely a realm of choice.  To say otherwise would mean we're complete slaves to our emotions to the level of animal instinct. 

The real question here it this: is attraction to the same sex or the opposite sex a choice?  I say yes.  I choose to be attracted to women because, for me, their soft skin and curves trumps what a man offers.  I could choose to pursue a relationship with a man, but I chose not to because I want to enjoy a sexual relationship with a woman and have our own children as a result.  A man could never please me as much my wife can sexually and another man cannot biologically give us our own children.  Beyond that, my faith tells me having a sexual relationship with a man is wrong.  Series of choices.

Edit:

SenorToenails wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, that's because it's not appropriate.
And seeing a man and woman kiss is easier for a little kid to understand?  Because that's what mommy and daddy do?  That's not a very good reason.
Kids have plenty of time to learn about adult sexual choices later and parents do not appreciate adults with an inferiority complex insisting on displaying their "alternative lifestyle" in public.  It's a matter of respect and acting appropriately in public.  I don't want to see anyone making out in public whether they're gay, straight, or otherwise.  Get a room.
You know I love ya stingray but it is a bit hypocritical for a faith that preaches tolerance, love and exceptance for all people, to be so judgemental, exclusive and oppressive to those that disagree with it.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Ah, but here's the kicker.  Jesus specifically taught to love all people, but He did not tell us we have to agree with or endorse what is immoral behavior.  I don't hate gay folks, far from it, but I'm not going to pull punches on what I believe.  They're adults and they can do whatever they want.  My favorite boss was a gay man and he was a great guy.  All the gay people I have met have been nice, upstanding citizens and my disagreement with their choices in their sex life never comes up.  But if they chose to flaunt it in front of my kids, there's where I have an issue. There are Christians who are judgemental and downright mean towards gay people and that is flat wrong.  I see that as the people being wrong, not the teaching of the faith.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-12-20 08:56:23)

k.one
Member
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i cant really stop laugh
thx for this xD
Megalomaniac
Formerly known as Missionless
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When you hear what some gay people have gone trough just cause they are gay I doubt its a personal choice.

Last edited by Missionless (2007-12-20 09:01:03)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

You don't choose who you fall in love with, you just fall in love.  I didn't choose to fall in love with my wife.
Have to disagree there, Serge.  I firmly believe love is a choice that you don't fall in or out of.  My relationship with my wife is one I stay in compeletely by choice and I could end it at any moment.  The first time I met my wife attraction started everything, but that didn't carry me along without any choice like a robot.  I had to decide whether or not to pursue things past initial attraction to a relationship that grew into the choice to love her after months of interaction and building trust.  The warm fuzzy feelings are nice, but they are a biproduct of the choice to love, not the other way around, imho.  Who one has a relationship with, sexual or not, is completely a realm of choice.  To say otherwise would mean we're complete slaves to our emotions to the level of animal instinct. 

The real question here it this: is attraction to the same sex or the opposite sex a choice?  I say yes.  I choose to be attracted to women because, for me, their soft skin and curves trumps what a man offers.  I could choose to pursue a relationship with a man, but I chose not to because I want to enjoy a sexual relationship with a woman and have our own children as a result.  A man could never please me as much my wife can sexually and another man cannot biologically give us our own children.  Beyond that, my faith tells me having a sexual relationship with a man is wrong.  Series of choices.
No, attraction for the same sex or the opposite sex isn't a choice.  I was attracted by my wife not because I made a choice there.  It just happened.  Then I decided to get married, that's choice.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7174|Salt Lake City

Given the fact of what would happen to homosexuals in biblical times, and what countries like Iran still do to them, I hardly think these people would make a conscious choice to be that way.  Also, there have been numerous cases of homosexual behavior found in animals.  Do animals make a conscious decision to be gay?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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lol
Cougar
Banned
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chittydog wrote:

Havok wrote:

It's a choice.  I choose to be heterosexual.  I was born with no sense of favoritism when dealing with sexuality.  I was raised in a heterosexual family so it became the norm for me, especially because I never encountered any homosexuals until middle school.  If I wanted to I could be homosexual.  I would find it uncomfortable though, so I remain heterosexual.
That's so stupid. If people were born with no sense of favoritism towards gender, homosexuality would be rampant and the population of the earth would be a fraction of the size it is now.

Before voting, why don't you all go out and get to know a few gay people. A lot of them don't like being gay and would change if they could. Sure there are some who go both ways and some who are that way due to some psychological trauma, but the majority of them were born that way.
So your vote goes for genetic disorder?  I'm 100% sure people aren't made that way by God, so therefore it HAS to be either a genetic disorder or a mental disorder.  Choice would fall under mental disorder because if you choose t stuff your cock up another guys ass willingly then there is obviously something wrong with your head.
Soldier-Of-Wasteland
Mephistopheles
+40|7094|Land of the Very Cold
Lol, some still think it is a mental condition, or a choice, lol hahah. We're in the fucking 21st century, wakeup! Must be the same ones who think that the earth is flat haha. I'm hetero, and I have no problem whatsoever with anyone being gay. Life your life and have fun!

And yes, there are cases of homosexuality throughout nature, in the animal kingdom.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6960|...

m3thod wrote:

Genetic.
Population Control
GAIKIWARRIOR
Judge Death
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stryyker wrote:

wanting to stick your wen0r in something other than a chick seems to be personal preference, therefore choice.
youd stick your wenor in your girl friends behind tho heh ?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7279|Cologne, Germany

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Given the fact of what would happen to homosexuals in biblical times, and what countries like Iran still do to them, I hardly think these people would make a conscious choice to be that way.  Also, there have been numerous cases of homosexual behavior found in animals.  Do animals make a conscious decision to be gay?
seconded. You may chose to pursue it or not, but the fact itself stands without you having a say in it. Same with heterosexuality.
But as with most things in life that are important, it's best to be true to yourself, hence why those who have sexual feelings, straight or gay, act accordingly.

And btw, I don't see why I wouldn't want a child to see two men/women kiss or hold hands in public. I was raised in a catholic household, but I am not the religious type. And even if I was I would find it hard to press my religious views on my kids. Everyone should be free to make his/her own decisions in that regard.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7195|Argentina

B.Schuss wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Given the fact of what would happen to homosexuals in biblical times, and what countries like Iran still do to them, I hardly think these people would make a conscious choice to be that way.  Also, there have been numerous cases of homosexual behavior found in animals.  Do animals make a conscious decision to be gay?
seconded. You may chose to pursue it or not, but the fact itself stands without you having a say in it. Same with heterosexuality.
But as with most things in life that are important, it's best to be true to yourself, hence why those who have sexual feelings, straight or gay, act accordingly.

And btw, I don't see why I wouldn't want a child to see two men/women kiss or hold hands in public. I was raised in a catholic household, but I am not the religious type. And even if I was I would find it hard to press my religious views on my kids. Everyone should be free to make his/her own decisions in that regard.
I agree with you almost in everything you said.  But the last part I must disagree.  I'm not religious either, but I have a two months old kid.  I know he doesn't understand things yet.  But I don't want him, when he's, let's say 5 years old or so, to see two guys/women kissing each other in the street.  Because I'd have to explain to him things I'd like to explain to him later.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-12-21 02:53:00)

velocitychaos
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All of the above

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