HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6396|Washington DC

dayarath wrote:

Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
They probably have, there are tons more prisoners under FARC.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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m3thod wrote:

dayarath wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Inhumane treatment in prisons is wrong as well, but I believe that while it's definitely not a nice thing... if torturing a guy prevents tons of innocent people from being killed, so be it.

FARC's torture is for nothing more than... fuck, I don't even know. Bunch of guerrilla terrorist "freedom fighters" who should be on the gallows... kidnapping, torturing innocent people is just wrong.

edit: Not surprising to hear Chavez sympathize with them
Well yeah that's true, my statement only refers to what you described above.

Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
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HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6396|Washington DC

dayarath wrote:

m3thod wrote:

dayarath wrote:


Well yeah that's true, my statement only refers to what you described above.

Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Shocking
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HurricaИe wrote:

dayarath wrote:

m3thod wrote:


Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Once electric wires get attached to your balls you'll say anything. Threatening people with death is too easy, that's not torture.
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7192|Argentina

HurricaИe wrote:

dayarath wrote:

m3thod wrote:


Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place.  Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6434|...

sergeriver wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

dayarath wrote:


Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place.  Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7192|Argentina

dayarath wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:


Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place.  Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.
If you don't know who's innocent and who's not, then we all are suspects.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6434|...

sergeriver wrote:

dayarath wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place.  Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.
If you don't know who's innocent and who's not, then we all are suspects.
Yes, I might adjust it then; if you got a guy who clearly knows something which can be incredibly dangerous for your people, I'd torture. Think of a scenario like a captured squad of enemy soldiers behind your lines, important enemy figurines, you name it.

You don't go torturing when you don't know if someone's innocent or not, then you can't even check the information he gives.

anyway i'm off to bed, bai.
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462nd NSP653
Devout Moderate, Empty Head.
+57|7119

ATG wrote:

462nd NSP653 wrote:

Dang Americans...I can't believe they get away with this crap...someone needs to take them and...oh wait. Sorry, wrong bandwagon.

[edit]On topic, torture is never civilized, that's the point. It's sometimes a necessary evil and sometimes you are not on the 'administering' side of it.[/edit]
Jeez, wtf.

Dang Americans?

Over in the corner with a dunce cap, you dolt.
You got my sarcasm, yes? Or maybe I do deserve the dunce cap as I might be missing yours.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6840|North Carolina
We already allow torture of innocents in this country on a wide scale -- Soulja Boy is still on the radio, right?
462nd NSP653
Devout Moderate, Empty Head.
+57|7119

Turquoise wrote:

We already allow torture of innocents in this country on a wide scale -- Soulja Boy is still on the radio, right?
Yes, I agree we do but my not so clear point was that this isn't uniquely American. I'm just not good at the sarcasm I guess.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6840|North Carolina
Very true...  I think it's funny how some people almost act like it is....

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