They probably have, there are tons more prisoners under FARC.dayarath wrote:
Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.m3thod wrote:
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.dayarath wrote:
Well yeah that's true, my statement only refers to what you described above.HurricaИe wrote:
Inhumane treatment in prisons is wrong as well, but I believe that while it's definitely not a nice thing... if torturing a guy prevents tons of innocent people from being killed, so be it.
FARC's torture is for nothing more than... fuck, I don't even know. Bunch of guerrilla terrorist "freedom fighters" who should be on the gallows... kidnapping, torturing innocent people is just wrong.
edit: Not surprising to hear Chavez sympathize with them
Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
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Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.dayarath wrote:
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.m3thod wrote:
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.dayarath wrote:
Well yeah that's true, my statement only refers to what you described above.
Torturing innocents or for fun is just sick, but glad they didn't do any physical attacks.
Once electric wires get attached to your balls you'll say anything. Threatening people with death is too easy, that's not torture.HurricaИe wrote:
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.dayarath wrote:
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.m3thod wrote:
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
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Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place. Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.HurricaИe wrote:
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.dayarath wrote:
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.m3thod wrote:
Torturing is unacceptable full stop.
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.sergeriver wrote:
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place. Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.HurricaИe wrote:
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.dayarath wrote:
Except for in certain situations, if you can prevent alot of deaths by trying to get information out of someone the best way to get it quickly and efficiently is by torture, however wrong it may sound sometimes it's just a nessecary evil.
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If you don't know who's innocent and who's not, then we all are suspects.dayarath wrote:
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.sergeriver wrote:
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place. Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.HurricaИe wrote:
Thing is... how do you know the information they give is accurate? I guess the fear of getting executed for giving false info is one thing but still... a guy who's not afraid to blow himself up for "the cause' likely isn't gonna be scared of that either.
Yes, I might adjust it then; if you got a guy who clearly knows something which can be incredibly dangerous for your people, I'd torture. Think of a scenario like a captured squad of enemy soldiers behind your lines, important enemy figurines, you name it.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't know who's innocent and who's not, then we all are suspects.dayarath wrote:
Indeed, that's a big risk, hence torture always starts lightly to see if they admit quickly, it's easier to distinguish the real deal with the innocents then, bad for them but hell - if you've got a guy who might know something that can kill millions, I'd torture.sergeriver wrote:
Or maybe that guy is not a nutjob and didn't do anything wrong and was in the wrong place. Then, he'll be scared and he'll admit whatever you want him to say, if that stops the torture methods.
You don't go torturing when you don't know if someone's innocent or not, then you can't even check the information he gives.
anyway i'm off to bed, bai.
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You got my sarcasm, yes? Or maybe I do deserve the dunce cap as I might be missing yours.ATG wrote:
Jeez, wtf.462nd NSP653 wrote:
Dang Americans...I can't believe they get away with this crap...someone needs to take them and...oh wait. Sorry, wrong bandwagon.
[edit]On topic, torture is never civilized, that's the point. It's sometimes a necessary evil and sometimes you are not on the 'administering' side of it.[/edit]
Dang Americans?
Over in the corner with a dunce cap, you dolt.
We already allow torture of innocents in this country on a wide scale -- Soulja Boy is still on the radio, right?
Yes, I agree we do but my not so clear point was that this isn't uniquely American. I'm just not good at the sarcasm I guess.Turquoise wrote:
We already allow torture of innocents in this country on a wide scale -- Soulja Boy is still on the radio, right?
Very true... I think it's funny how some people almost act like it is....