TC.Troy
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ig wrote:

TC.Troy wrote:

Ok...cant help it, gonna rant for a minute or so...

The topic of: "its a banked oval..." and braking.  Look, you gotta brake at each and every oval save maybe Talledega.  Even at Daytona, if you have an ill handling race car, you are gonna be on the brakes.  At places like Dover (32-34deg banking), or Bristol (36deg banking)...Las Vegas (24 deg)...at some of these places, you are on the brakes so hard, and so often the rotors are glowing like hell, and the fluid is on the verge of boiling.  Not braking in an oval my ass...

How many Cup drivers have done well in other series?  heheheh
Look at Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Robbie Gordon, Dave Blaney...the list goes on.  They have come to NASCAR for 2 reasons.  1. Its by far the most competitive motorsport in the United States.  2. Money, yes cash...that and fame...and who can blame them, if you have the skill and the desire, rock on I say.

As far as F1 goes...its an entire breed of its own, top to bottom, front to back.  I do not doubt for one second that a Cup driver could go to F! and fall on his face...no question.  But not for long...  And I say that about Juan Pablo too, just in reverse.  He has come to Cup, learned, and I expect great things from him this year.  A talented driver, is a talented driver.  I dont care what discipline he comes from.

Now about F1 cars doing 145mph (average...lol) on a track with even *looks around stealthily* CURVES ...
An F1 car only has to manage about 1500lbs wet weight.  And from top to bottom, those cars use the air to hold them down.  The tires...1 to 2 inches wider on an F1 car than on a Sprint Cup car (yes even though F1 are forced to run on grooved tires, they still have a larger contact patch...more grip) and they are made of a far softer compound than Cup tires.

Again, I dont take anything away from F1, WRC...any of those guys.  On the contrary, I have the Utmost respect for them and their skill.  But when one educates oneself about NASCAR, it swiftly becomes more than "lets go wide open and turn left all day"

/rant
thank you, and have a nice day
good post
I even feel better and everything
ty hehe
Locoloki
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ig wrote:

*raises hand*

Mark Martin will win it. He got jewed hard last year.

I hope Tony Stewart does well in his Toyota this year even though I doubt it. As long as Gordon/Johnson don't win, I'll be happy.
hehe you said "jewed"

havent heard that since highschool
ig
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Locoloki wrote:

ig wrote:

*raises hand*

Mark Martin will win it. He got jewed hard last year.

I hope Tony Stewart does well in his Toyota this year even though I doubt it. As long as Gordon/Johnson don't win, I'll be happy.
hehe you said "jewed"

havent heard that since highschool
lol. now i know why that guy said i made a racist comment.
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DrunkFace wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Those of you who don't give NASCAR drivers any credit can just stay out of this thread.  Spam somewhere else.  When you can do 180mph+ and even keep it on the track without stuffing the wall get back to me ...
RACE FACTS
Average Speed: 149.335 mph

Sure it may be fast, but then again its a freaking banked oval so you never need to break for corners...
EDIT: F1 cars can still average 145 mph on tracks with corners.

Stingray24 wrote:

Drivers from other series are coming to NASCAR and losing.
How many NASCAR drivers have won in WRC, F1, touring cars or even champ cars? I'll take a random guess at none.
As TC already said, the average speed has caution laps factored in. If you actually bothered to research it, you'd find their top speeds still top 200mph on the superspeedways and that's with a restrictor plate limiting the power of the engine.  They'd easily do 230mph without that restriction. 

The drivers DO need to brake for corners even on a banked oval in NASCAR and other racing series.     

NASCAR drives have done well in other series.  Look up Tony Stewart ... Sprint cars, IRL, IROC, etc etc  Oh and score 1-2-3 for NASCAR in the Rolex 24 hours at Daytona, as each of the top three finishing cars in the Rolex 24 At Daytona were co-driven by stock car regulars. 

I have always given credit to the skill of WRC, F1, IRL, and touring car series drivers and I've been able to watch all but WRC.  They are all very good at what they do, which I have said time and time again.  The problem I have is that people like you refuse to give NASCAR drivers the credit they deserve.  If NASCAR is so easy, why aren't the F1 drivers dominating when they come to the series?  Hmm?
kylef
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Villenueve and Montoya swtiched to NASCAR, so stop bitchin' about F1. They are both great racing venues.

Last edited by kylef (2008-02-05 10:27:24)

Poseidon
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I always catch it, even though I don't follow racing vehemently. It's always good fun.

I was a Dale Earnhardt fan...when he died I was really, really upset even though I didn't follow racing too much. So now, I'm a Dale Jr. fan.
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Poseidon wrote:

I always catch it, even though I don't follow racing vehemently. It's always good fun.

I was a Dale Earnhardt fan...when he died I was really, really upset even though I didn't follow racing too much. So now, I'm a Dale Jr. fan.
You and several million other people hehe, its Jr. nation for sure.  No doubt that Dale Jr. picked up huge amounts of fans after Sr. died.  But to his credit, he has kept them, and even grown his own fan base.  This is a credit to his father imo...one of the greatest drivers to ever live...again imo
Stingray24
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Guys like Dale Sr and Dale Jr and why people love NASCAR.  Skilled drivers that don't act like elitist a-holes but instead act like regular guys and treat their fans with respect.
TC.Troy
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Indeed...
Go to another top rated sport where the athletes make millions and see how close you can get.  See how many come walking by, and simply stop, whip out a sharpie and start signing.  I wonder how many will kneel down with a young child simply so the parents an take a picture...

You'll be hard pressed to find it...anywhere.

The fans are what drives NASCAR, and the drivers (as a whole) are happy to make the fan happy.

And yeah Stingray, thats because most of'em remember it when they were struggling to make it from race to race, or they remember who, and how they got that $5 million a year sponsor...
Ajax_the_Great1
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So boring. Only "sport" where you take commercial breaks while the "action" is still going on.
TC.Troy
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Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

So boring. Only "sport" where you take commercial breaks while the "action" is still going on.
Its not for everyone, thats a fact.  But the advantage to the issue you bring up is this:  you may also pee, hit the fridge or whatever and you arent going to miss but so much.  And to a regular NASCAR fan, missing 2 laps, even 5...is ok, you can catch up easy
Stingray24
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Mark Martin will be driving the #8 Chevrolet.  I can't think of another driver I'd rather have in that car since Dale Jr isn't driving it.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

So boring. Only "sport" where you take commercial breaks while the "action" is still going on.
If anything significant happens there's this new thing called replay ...

Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-02-05 12:31:03)

Stingray24
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Anyone have a Yahoo Fantasy Racing team?
TC.Troy
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Stingray24 wrote:

Anyone have a Yahoo Fantasy Racing team?
nah, I just cant get into that sort of thing really.
Stingray24
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I started last season and it helped me watch drivers I normally wouldn't follow.
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Stingray24 wrote:

Mark Martin will be driving the #8 Chevrolet.  I can't think of another driver I'd rather have in that car since Dale Jr isn't driving it.
for sure
TC.Troy
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ig wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Mark Martin will be driving the #8 Chevrolet.  I can't think of another driver I'd rather have in that car since Dale Jr isn't driving it.
for sure
Not only is Mark a class act, but he and Dale Sr. had a very interesting relationship.  Both good, and bad...it got pretty cruel at times.  Then they became good friends from what I understand.

In short, I can think of no other driver in the garage area that is better suited to drive the 8.  Tereasa got lucky...
But maybe thats one reason DEI acquired Ginn...who knows.

I think its too bad Mark is still only running a limited schedule this year.  Regan Smith has a LONG way to go before he can fill the shoes on that 8 car.  I just dont see the kid having much long term success.
kylef
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"Mark Martin is driving the race of his life. And there's no one who's better at holdin' people off at Daytona." - NASCAR commentary, Daytona 500 2007
TC.Troy
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kylef wrote:

"Mark Martin is driving the race of his life. And there's no one who's better at holdin' people off at Daytona." - NASCAR commentary, Daytona 500 2007
hehe indeed
Mark Martin invented the term "mirror driving" hehe
He will work you to death and never look out of the windshield
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Stingray24 wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Those of you who don't give NASCAR drivers any credit can just stay out of this thread.  Spam somewhere else.  When you can do 180mph+ and even keep it on the track without stuffing the wall get back to me ...
RACE FACTS
Average Speed: 149.335 mph

Sure it may be fast, but then again its a freaking banked oval so you never need to break for corners...
EDIT: F1 cars can still average 145 mph on tracks with corners.

Stingray24 wrote:

Drivers from other series are coming to NASCAR and losing.
How many NASCAR drivers have won in WRC, F1, touring cars or even champ cars? I'll take a random guess at none.
As TC already said, the average speed has caution laps factored in. If you actually bothered to research it, you'd find their top speeds still top 200mph on the superspeedways and that's with a restrictor plate limiting the power of the engine.  They'd easily do 230mph without that restriction. 

The drivers DO need to brake for corners even on a banked oval in NASCAR and other racing series.     

NASCAR drives have done well in other series.  Look up Tony Stewart ... Sprint cars, IRL, IROC, etc etc  Oh and score 1-2-3 for NASCAR in the Rolex 24 hours at Daytona, as each of the top three finishing cars in the Rolex 24 At Daytona were co-driven by stock car regulars. 

I have always given credit to the skill of WRC, F1, IRL, and touring car series drivers and I've been able to watch all but WRC.  They are all very good at what they do, which I have said time and time again.  The problem I have is that people like you refuse to give NASCAR drivers the credit they deserve.  If NASCAR is so easy, why aren't the F1 drivers dominating when they come to the series?  Hmm?
Going from a car that can handle many g's on a leveled course to a car that needs a 30degreee embankment to turn is quite a transition. Like going from a f430 to a mustang gt in a production car point of view.
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A NASCAR can also handle on a level course, but of course the chassis and suspension are set up differently than for a superspeedway.  Either way  it's still heavier with less downforce and no electronic aids like an F1 car.  This is why I like NASCAR, it's all driver skill keeping the car on the track and maintaining speed, not electronic gizmos.



Here's a partial lap on the only NASCAR track you can leave the throttle wide open on ... Talladega.  This isn't even a full power race spec car and not near full speed.  Too bad the guy can't hold the camera still.   2nd vid is at higher speeds.



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TC.Troy
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I love the fact that lots of people (that dont really follow NASCAR) think that we only run on heavily banked ovals...
Granted, the majority of the schedule is run on 1.5 mile ovals. 
With that being said, lets look at some other tracks we hit twice a year...

Martinsville: Flat...FLat...FLAT and only .533 mile in length.
Pheonix: Flat...only 1 mile in length (IRL runs here too)
Pocono: Flat (basicly) this track only has 3 turns and has different banking in all 3, and 2 of those 3...you guessed it, they are flat as a 2by4 hehe

The road courses.  First let me state that imo, we need more road course races.  We only have 2 each year and they produce some of the best racing of the season.
Infineon (Sears Point): 11 turns, and save the elevation changes...its FLAT...
Watkins Glenn:  Again, save the elevation changes its pretty flat...

My point is this...a cup car doesnt Require banking to perform, nor is it confined to oval, or semi-oval tracks. 
To win a champoinship in NASCAR, you MUST perform well on all of these tracks.  You cannot have a killer oval program and get stomped at the road courses...you wont win the cup.  Obviously, the opposite holds true.

Cup drivers are considered some of the most talented drivers in motorsports because of all the various layouts and track types that you must (MUST) perform well at.
TC.Troy
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10 days 19 hours...

yeah, I cant wait, and I'm sad, I admit it :p
Stingray24
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My Dad and I are going to make this 500 a father/son event.  Just like old times watching NASCAR together.
TC.Troy
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I'll sit and watch lap for lap, my wife squirming nervously each time the pack goes into 1 or 3...then she doesnt look if they are bump-drafting in the tri-oval...
Watching her is almost as fun as the race.  Then when it gets to 10 to go...she's up pacing the floor acting like she's about to have kittens hehehe its a major whoot

If this year is anything like last year, it'll be one hell of a race...

10 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes...

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