I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.They chucked bottles at us, bricks, garden ornaments.
You know they'll just throw bricks at you then run away if you look. Then come back and do it again in 5 minutes.S3v3N wrote:
I don't care if you're 13-60. Guy, Girl, Black, White, Chinese, Red, Blue etc. If you're fucking with me, while i'm trying to do my job (i.e. put out a fire, save somebody's life) I'm going to fuck you up. And I know myself, my truck crew, and all of the supervisors will say the same thing. and especially if they're teenagers. It is not ok and it sure as fuck not a recreational activity to ambush anybody with bricks just because you can. reguardless if you're a firefighter or the average joe walking down the street.jord wrote:
Also my friends used to do buses. But that's okay, cause buses are anoying.
http://www.fat-pie.com/devvoasowt.htmIt's whether or not you're willing to hit kids.S3v3N wrote:
If somebody attacked me while I was on a working fire (in the US) they'd get hit by my halligan tool. See image.
http://www.ci.redwood-city.ca.us/fire/o … AN_001.JPG
so yes, i'd defend myself and my crew from these little twerps. also that nifty little fire truck should be equipped with a deck gun or water cannon. I know personally that people fly with the Pressure jacked up. (we did this during a demonstration when it got out of control)
2 categories.Kmarion wrote:
I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.They chucked bottles at us, bricks, garden ornaments.
http://i30.tinypic.com/ip2ofk.jpg
I know it's sounds cliche, but seriously, where are the Parents? If your kids are so out of control that they are attacking firefighters you are either ridiculously naive, or just a POS parent.
Yep. It's mainly the latter. Infact, and this is from personal experience. These type of parents actually defend their kids and beleive them rather than beleive everyone else and punish their kids. It's just that messed upjord wrote:
2 categories.Kmarion wrote:
I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.They chucked bottles at us, bricks, garden ornaments.
http://i30.tinypic.com/ip2ofk.jpg
I know it's sounds cliche, but seriously, where are the Parents? If your kids are so out of control that they are attacking firefighters you are either ridiculously naive, or just a POS parent.
They don't know, how would they? If I went out and threw some stones at a bus, how would my parents know?
Council estate families. Don't give a shit, poor people that don't care tbh.
"Boys will be boys".Mek-Izzle wrote:
Yep. It's mainly the latter. Infact, and this is from personal experience. These type of parents actually defend their kids and beleive them rather than beleive everyone else and punish their kids. It's just that messed upjord wrote:
2 categories.Kmarion wrote:
I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.
http://i30.tinypic.com/ip2ofk.jpg
I know it's sounds cliche, but seriously, where are the Parents? If your kids are so out of control that they are attacking firefighters you are either ridiculously naive, or just a POS parent.
They don't know, how would they? If I went out and threw some stones at a bus, how would my parents know?
Council estate families. Don't give a shit, poor people that don't care tbh.
In my town you find them in 7 out of 8 areas. However they only live in about 4.usmarine wrote:
So do chavs live in a certain section of town, or are they all over the place?
well here's the problem. sometimes tasers don't work. some people can withstand them, be it because of drugs, rage, or pure genetic luck. the gun is a final resort.jord wrote:
The tazer will do by itself. Only dickhead gangs in London use Guns, as for everywhere else tazers will suffice against knives.Ender2309 wrote:
step one: authorize the use of force (for law enforcement) if necessary (as deemed by those in charge of the situation) to subdue. every officer on the force for more than a year will have authorized acess to a gun and taser at all patrol times (which must be returned to a high security vault following shifts, based on a checkout system with multiple administrators). the gun is pretty much just for show. real work should be done with the taser, unless the officer's safety is at risk.Yup, it's seen as a badge of honour. People laugh at how many they have.step two: kill the ASBO. this is like a speeding ticket. you're still going to do it again.Yeah you should be able to fight back, and people do. That's why that guy in the above link got killed. The issue isn't people getting sent to prison for fighting back, but people getting killed fighting back.step three: open the eyes of those in judicial power. this is perhaps the worst problem. like many english have said up top, you can't defend yourself without risking jail time. this is bullshit. it doesn't fucking matter how old a person is. if they attack you, you should be able to fight back. i think its pretty obvious when one man is claiming five kids attacked him and they're claiming the opposite. who takes on five people who incidentally are all dressed the same and lack the intelligence to use proper language? its one thing if they're all respectable kids and he's psycho, but thats generally not the case.Okay, but it seems overly complicated and expensive. Fiber optic cameras?step four: win the public. seeing as there's a large population of chavs, something will obviously need to be done to quell the fears of parents out there. to accomplish this, patrol cars will all have cameras rolling and fiber optic cameras will be installed in officers' hats or gloves or shirts or something. this will effectively stop police brutality and use of unnecessary force. any officer convicted of the previous will be placed under house arrest for some time and lose his job. this will be conducted by trial with a mixed group of police, lords, and random citizens as jurors in order to keep corruption to a minimum.
Where are the police?jord wrote:
In my town you find them in 7 out of 8 areas. However they only live in about 4.usmarine wrote:
So do chavs live in a certain section of town, or are they all over the place?
A popular past time is going into other areas and twating or "fighting" other gangs.
Poor areas generally.
Never knew that, thought tazers work on everyone. Especially people with heart problems...Ender2309 wrote:
well here's the problem. sometimes tasers don't work. some people can withstand them, be it because of drugs, rage, or pure genetic luck. the gun is a final resort.jord wrote:
The tazer will do by itself. Only dickhead gangs in London use Guns, as for everywhere else tazers will suffice against knives.Ender2309 wrote:
step one: authorize the use of force (for law enforcement) if necessary (as deemed by those in charge of the situation) to subdue. every officer on the force for more than a year will have authorized acess to a gun and taser at all patrol times (which must be returned to a high security vault following shifts, based on a checkout system with multiple administrators). the gun is pretty much just for show. real work should be done with the taser, unless the officer's safety is at risk.Yup, it's seen as a badge of honour. People laugh at how many they have.step two: kill the ASBO. this is like a speeding ticket. you're still going to do it again.Yeah you should be able to fight back, and people do. That's why that guy in the above link got killed. The issue isn't people getting sent to prison for fighting back, but people getting killed fighting back.step three: open the eyes of those in judicial power. this is perhaps the worst problem. like many english have said up top, you can't defend yourself without risking jail time. this is bullshit. it doesn't fucking matter how old a person is. if they attack you, you should be able to fight back. i think its pretty obvious when one man is claiming five kids attacked him and they're claiming the opposite. who takes on five people who incidentally are all dressed the same and lack the intelligence to use proper language? its one thing if they're all respectable kids and he's psycho, but thats generally not the case.Okay, but it seems overly complicated and expensive. Fiber optic cameras?step four: win the public. seeing as there's a large population of chavs, something will obviously need to be done to quell the fears of parents out there. to accomplish this, patrol cars will all have cameras rolling and fiber optic cameras will be installed in officers' hats or gloves or shirts or something. this will effectively stop police brutality and use of unnecessary force. any officer convicted of the previous will be placed under house arrest for some time and lose his job. this will be conducted by trial with a mixed group of police, lords, and random citizens as jurors in order to keep corruption to a minimum.
it might be a bit complicated and expensive, but britain is rolling in the dough right now. a few hundred million to equip police isn't too much to ask for, and it'll work.
All over? It depends what you're talking about. If 2 gangs are fighting neither is going to call the Police... Seen as "grassing" people up. I suppose you call it "snitching".usmarine wrote:
Where are the police?jord wrote:
In my town you find them in 7 out of 8 areas. However they only live in about 4.usmarine wrote:
So do chavs live in a certain section of town, or are they all over the place?
A popular past time is going into other areas and twating or "fighting" other gangs.
Poor areas generally.
I guess what I am getting at, this sounds like Chicago back in the 80's and 90's......minus the guns (for now). I think the police over there should take a look at what happened over here and the way the cops and the city dealt with it.jord wrote:
All over? It depends what you're talking about. If 2 gangs are fighting neither is going to call the Police... Seen as "grassing" people up. I suppose you call it "snitching".
Bit different, it isn't just gang v gang. It's usually just Pricks beating up passers by because they can. Or they've nothing better to do...usmarine wrote:
I guess what I am getting at, this sounds like Chicago back in the 80's and 90's......minus the guns (for now). I think the police over there should take a look at what happened over here and the way the cops and the city dealt with it.jord wrote:
All over? It depends what you're talking about. If 2 gangs are fighting neither is going to call the Police... Seen as "grassing" people up. I suppose you call it "snitching".
No, but it took a little boy getting killed for the people of that city to rise up and say enough.jord wrote:
Unless people in Chicago beat up people for no reason.
People get killed here, but it's a National problem. Differs between regions. For example, gangs in Liverpool might carry guns. Where as gangs where I live carry knives/sticks/blunt objects. Maybe each county needs to be sorted out individually.usmarine wrote:
No, but it took a little boy getting killed for the people of that city to rise up and say enough.jord wrote:
Unless people in Chicago beat up people for no reason.
There would be certain indicators. Make it a point to know where your kids are and pay attention to the news. Take note of the company your children keep. Usually their attitude at home towards authority is indicative also. Some Parents don't want to believe their kids are up to no good, even when the writing is on the wall. A mischievous child is a reflection on them. It's easier to be in denial rather face the challenges of taking corrective action.jord wrote:
2 categories.Kmarion wrote:
I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.They chucked bottles at us, bricks, garden ornaments.
http://i30.tinypic.com/ip2ofk.jpg
I know it's sounds cliche, but seriously, where are the Parents? If your kids are so out of control that they are attacking firefighters you are either ridiculously naive, or just a POS parent.
They don't know, how would they? If I went out and threw some stones at a bus, how would my parents know?
Council estate families. Don't give a shit, poor people that don't care tbh.
Maybe, but at the end of the day kids go out everyday. Sometimes they play Football, sometimes they throw rocks at cars. No matter how much you try to read into parents thoughts with psychology, they can't watch them all the time.Kmarion wrote:
There would be certain indicators. Make it a point to know where your kids are and pay attention to the news. Take note of the company your children keep. Usually their attitude at home towards authority is indicative also. Some Parents don't want to believe their kids are up to no good, even when the writing is on the wall. A mischievous child is a reflection on them. It's easier to be in denial rather face the challenges of taking corrective action.jord wrote:
2 categories.Kmarion wrote:
I think it's time that someone called for a ban on garden gnomes.
http://i30.tinypic.com/ip2ofk.jpg
I know it's sounds cliche, but seriously, where are the Parents? If your kids are so out of control that they are attacking firefighters you are either ridiculously naive, or just a POS parent.
They don't know, how would they? If I went out and threw some stones at a bus, how would my parents know?
Council estate families. Don't give a shit, poor people that don't care tbh.
Twitching your head sporadically while randomly stopping to scream at the ground might work also.ELITE-UK wrote:
I go through that poor town every day and sometimes i walk straight through 20 or 30 chav cunts, its quite intimidating but i keep my head up and look straight at them...works like a treat
Yeah I heard about that. I mean shit, what the fuck is wrong with these pricks. Anarchists, but, a different breed. Like I said. It's a psycholical problem, these kids are just fucked up. And they're like that because they've lived a life without any punishment whatsoever. Saying that, my parents/teachers didn't do much to me when I was a kid either and I never did stupid shit as bad as this. So I dunno, some people are just born as cunts, and lack of punishment just magnifies it.02fxnmaurer wrote:
fuckin chavs .....did any of you guys here about that 15 year old kid....who chucked a breeze block off an overpass...which hit and killed a lorry driver in a tanker below.....the bloke was like 60 odd and near retirement ...and the scumbags only reply to the press was a raise of his finger and a load of abuse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nort … 156381.stm
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