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2008-02-17 01:37:15
PureFodder
Member
+225|6714
....or adopt them instead.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/intern … id=1073570
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - The odds are stacked against Valentine’s Day in Hamas-ruled Gaza: The holiday is considered "haram," or forbidden by Islam, most residents don’t have money for frills and the requisite red roses are grown only beyond a closed border with Israel.

Hamas police looked the other way despite the religious taboo, reflecting the Islamic militants’ policy of not going against popular consensus when it comes to social norms.

In Bahrain, which is more open than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, flower shops imported about 150,000 roses in one week, or 20,000 more than last year, according to the Web site of the Al Arabiya TV station. In Cairo, small cruise boats on the Nile were decorated with red ribbons and hearts made of flashing red bulbs.

Dubai, a conservative Muslim city-state with a modern outlook and a pro-Western attitude, has been taken over by a Valentine craze in recent days. Malls, cafes and even offices were decorated with giant hearts. Five-course dinners and romantic getaways were sold out, and spas offered Valentine specials.

Valentine’s Day was introduced to Gaza about a decade ago by Palestinian exiles returning from more cosmopolitan places such as Beirut and Tunis, following interim peace deals with Israel. The Internet and Arab satellite TV helped spread the idea, mostly among the young, educated and secular.

Yet in Gaza, the holiday of love remains a relatively modest affair, in part because few Gazans can afford to spend on extras, such as candy and flowers.

Across the street at the Rose Flower Shop, two young women, one dressed in a black Islamic robe and head scarf, bought a bouquet of roses, a rare sight in Gaza. The shop had managed to bring in 500 roses from Israel, using Gaza medical patients treated in the Jewish state as "mules," and had about 50 roses left.

Salesman Mohammed Sussi, 30, said he hadn’t received any complaints about his business. "They didn’t tell us anything, whether from the government or anyone else, that it is ’haram’," he said.

Hamas police spokesman Islam Shahwan said Valentine’s Day might go against Gaza’s traditions, but Hamas is not trying to replace civil with Islamic law. "We are by nature a religious people and hate and reject all strange things," he said. "(But) we don’t kill adulterers or gays or cut off the hands of thieves."
Damn these Muslims for their tollerance and adoption of western ways.

Inch by inch..... becoming westernised.

Clearly there's no possibility of Islam integrating into western society.
2008-02-17 01:48:55
David.P
Banned
+649|6702
Yes in our homelands.

No in their lands because they are adopting the aspects which they like, Which is a good step if they plan to adopt more of them, Such as freedom of speech, Equal rights for all, And the ability to solve problems with words and not guns.
2008-02-17 01:53:11
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6915|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
It is not all Muslims, it is the radical asshats that screw it up for them all. Most of them would rather have Western stuff. The average Muslim adult is just like us, except he prays 5 times a day.
2008-02-17 02:04:55
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England

SgtHeihn wrote:

It is not all Muslims, it is the radical asshats that screw it up for them all. Most of them would rather have Western stuff. The average Muslim adult is just like us, except he prays 5 times a day.
Think about how many times a Christian family prays too

Whenever they eat
Before they go to bed
Probably when they wake up
Whenever they want something
Every Sunday

Well at least that's what Simpsons taught me. I just realised how much of a fag Bart is you know...
2008-02-17 02:08:23
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6915|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Mek-Izzle wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

It is not all Muslims, it is the radical asshats that screw it up for them all. Most of them would rather have Western stuff. The average Muslim adult is just like us, except he prays 5 times a day.
Think about how many times a Christian family prays too

Whenever they eat
Before they go to bed
Probably when they wake up
Whenever they want something
Every Sunday

Well at least that's what Simpsons taught me. I just realized how much of a fag Bart is you know...
You know the funny thing is, when I was in Iraq I never once saw anyone praying at prayer call. You know when that is because the damn speakers on the mosques are blaring, but people are still roaming about doing their thing.

And I am Christian and I don't pray that much.
2008-02-17 08:56:40
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6875|Chicago, IL
Some Muslims may want to destroy some aspects of our culture, but as history has proven, western culture can assimilate even the most stubborn of groups.

One look at the average second or third generation American Muslim will show you that their religion easily blends with western culture (assuming you can even tell a Muslim out from the rest of the crowd)

At its core, Islam is nearly identical to Christianity and Judaism, and any Muslim who isn't a total moron (see lowing's news stories for examples of these) knows this, and would have no issue celebrating, or at least being present at, another religion's holidays. (it is all the same god after all).
2008-02-17 08:58:26
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6897
There is one family of Muslims in my town. They pwn a convince store.
2008-02-17 08:59:16
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone
I think so but they think the same about us.
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2008-02-17 09:11:56
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA
Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
2008-02-17 09:12:00
Bagel_Bites
Member
+14|6355

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

There is one family of Muslims in my town. They pwn a convince store.
I bet they run their business without a frpwn.
2008-02-17 09:19:41
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6875|Chicago, IL

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
2008-02-17 09:21:20
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6897

Bagel_Bites wrote:

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

There is one family of Muslims in my town. They pwn a convince store.
I bet they run their business without a frpwn.
They don't, and its the best store in town. The stuff they sell is either cheaper than that of their competators (the chains) or is unique, they're the only ones to sell it.
2008-02-17 09:21:50
PureFodder
Member
+225|6714

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Most religions advocate that sort of thing. The only question is whether or not the practicers of any particular religion care to follow the crazy bits.

Most don't.
2008-02-17 09:27:34
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

S.Lythberg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
2008-02-17 09:32:43
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6881|Cambridge, UK

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
You say Islam advocates destruction because of how they interpret some parts of the Koran but same goes for Christians that take the whole Bible as literal.....

My favourite bit of 'Christian values' is Deuteronomy 7: "thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them", " ye shall destroy their altars... ", etc... I saw a program on a Christian nutter that was using this crap as an argument for killing all non-Christians that refused to convert.

Both religions have nut jobs, and I've seen nothing to show that the majority of Muslims support such things.
2008-02-17 09:34:03
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6875|Chicago, IL

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
True, the middle east is stuck in the middle ages, there's no denying that, but the question is, is radical Islam a cause, or an effect?

your post is certified PC free by the PC association of America
2008-02-17 09:35:38
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
All PC removed, don't worry.
2008-02-17 09:39:41
PureFodder
Member
+225|6714

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Individual Muslims may not...but Islam advocates our destruction ( infidels) and there are those Muslims who want to follow the word of their teachings.
Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
Why 1100AD, many of the things accused against Islam were only sorted out in the west in the last few decades. Equal rights for women, minorities, homosexuals (mainly), death sentencing (mainly), religions tolerance is more like a hundred or so years ago, to name a few.

Plus you're using the worst examples of Islamic countries and comparing them to the best examples of western and Christian countries. If you used Columbia as the standard for a Christian country then Christianity has no part in our society. Islam is practiced all over the world in complete harmony with western values.
2008-02-17 10:12:16
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7168
Some yes

All no
2008-02-17 10:17:55
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6957|Global Command

SgtHeihn wrote:

It is not all Muslims, it is the radical asshats that screw it up for them all. Most of them would rather have Western stuff. The average Muslim adult is just like us, except he prays 5 times a day.
Don't forget the sheep.
2008-02-17 15:31:13
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
Why 1100AD, many of the things accused against Islam were only sorted out in the west in the last few decades. Equal rights for women, minorities, homosexuals (mainly), death sentencing (mainly), religions tolerance is more like a hundred or so years ago, to name a few.

Plus you're using the worst examples of Islamic countries and comparing them to the best examples of western and Christian countries. If you used Columbia as the standard for a Christian country then Christianity has no part in our society. Islam is practiced all over the world in complete harmony with western values.
I do not speak of Islam as a religion, it is a life style and it contributes nothing to the west, which has its base set upon Christian values. You do not have to be Christian to follow them. But ya sure as hell can't be Muslim.

Excellent point, so I say Columbians have no part in our socety either, so they can take their Juan Valdez coffee ground coccaine smugglin' asses back to where they came from as well.
2008-02-17 15:32:21
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

S.Lythberg wrote:

lowing wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


Islam, like any other religion, has to learn to change it's teachings as society progresses.  I doubt many American mosques advocate destroying the American infidels (hell, most Muslims I know don't even go to mosque if it isn't a holiday).

If it hasn't already, Islam is going to see a major rift between the orthodox (and occasionally insane) groups and the more modern, moderate groups.  It happened to the Jews, it happened to the Christians, and it's happening to Islam as we speak. 

Of course, you're right that there are groups of Muslims who take the Koran as literal truth, but need I remind you of Westboro Baptist church?
Islam is a religion that is stuck in the 1100 AD.........It has no use in our society, and our society does not benefit from its presence. It is a culture and belief that detracts and does not add.

If you spot any PC in my posts let me know so I can remove it.
True, the middle east is stuck in the middle ages, there's no denying that, but the question is, is radical Islam a cause, or an effect?

your post is certified PC free by the PC association of America
It is the cause and effect of their backasswardnessality....or somethin'
2008-02-18 10:21:13
Hazril
Member
+5|6426
I just believe that the majority of Muslims just want the opposite. The west infringing on thier way of life.

So they dont wanna celebrate Valentines day...so be it. Not like its e end of the world for them. Its thier loss.
Do U wanna celebrate Ramadhan? No. Okay carry on. Its your loss.

Some western values are well accepted in Islam and even deemed beneficial. Unfortunately some frown upon them, believing it to be wrong.
Exactly how some of u expressed yourself on Islamic issues. Goes to show that most of u arent any different, at least on this terms.
We are all humans after all I suppose.

And btw I do celebrate Valentines. Not because of its religious origins but because of the aura of romance of the general populace that day. Just wanna make my lady happy.

But roses cost a bomb that day. Hope she appreciates it.
2008-02-18 10:22:30
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7072
maybe just your ways

 

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