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2008-02-16 18:00:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

I maintain, and have said so from the beginning; the people who believe suicide bombings are an acceptable political statement, their supporters, the teachers in the Madras teaching apocalyptic doomsday as  duty, and the pupils they have taught will all have to be killed before this war is through.
Its not much different from using cruise missiles and B52s to make political statements, teaching that the Arabs must be expelled from the ME to ensure the second coming, indoctrinating your troops to believe they must be prepared to lay down their lives so their fellow citizens can drive SUVs and eat so much they can't walk.

Each side just has a different perspective.
I think you'd have to admit that most Americans aren't dispensationalists.  Granted, too many of them are.

Still, I see what you're saying with the comparison.  Even though I'm against the continuing Iraq occupation, I'll have to disagree with you to the extent that American forces at least attempt to spare innocent people, whereas terrorists don't care who they kill.

Now, if we were talking about Israel's method of handling terrorists, your argument would be much stronger.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-02-16 18:02:16)

2008-02-16 18:14:30
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6839|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

teaching that the Arabs must be expelled from the ME to ensure the second coming
Doesn't happen

Dilbert_X wrote:

indoctrinating your troops to believe they must be prepared to lay down their lives so their fellow citizens can drive SUVs and eat so much they can't walk.
I'm not sure how "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" equates to that. But I guess you said it best...

Diblert_X wrote:

Each side just has a different perspective.
And your perspective is certainly....different.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-02-16 18:28:57
David.P
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https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/dvdpiddy/1203102225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.

Last edited by David.P (2008-02-16 18:29:47)

2008-02-16 18:31:30
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7077

David.P wrote:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/d … 225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.
I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
2008-02-16 19:19:14
David.P
Banned
+649|6702

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/d … 225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.
I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
2008-02-16 20:07:25
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7077

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/d … 225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.
I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
I read that sentence 7 times before I understood what the hell you're on about. You're also wrong.
2008-02-16 20:10:55
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7103|Canberra, AUS

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/d … 225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.
I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
Is English your first language?

And I doubt it somehow. Britain for one wouldn't like it too much.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-02-16 20:12:13
David.P
Banned
+649|6702

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:


I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
I read that sentence 7 times before I understood what the hell you're on about. You're also wrong.
Trying something new.
2008-02-16 20:14:01
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k56/d … 225149.jpg

EDIT: Ya i'm using up alot of my bandwith on that Islam fuck yeah poster, So this one will have to do.
I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
The EU does seem intended as a body of government to unite all of Europe, but I think each of these countries will at least remain culturally unique for another 50 years or so.

There are other things at work though.  Europe will have to continue an open immigration policy for its working population to be able to take care of the aging locals.  "Native" population growth in most European nations is very low, but the young people that immigrate to Europe are becoming more and more significant as the economic backbone of Europe.

Inevitably, this means Europe will slowly become more Indian, North African, and Middle Eastern in culture.  This isn't a bad thing, but it does mean some changes will result from it.
2008-02-16 20:14:08
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7077

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

David.P wrote:


It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
I read that sentence 7 times before I understood what the hell you're on about. You're also wrong.
Trying something new.
What's that, an experiment in how to make yourself even more stupid by losing what little command of the English language you already had?
2008-02-17 05:19:07
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

Turquoise wrote:

David.P wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:


I'd say the main difference is that one is a continent and one is a country.
It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
The EU does seem intended as a body of government to unite all of Europe, but I think each of these countries will at least remain culturally unique for another 50 years or so.

There are other things at work though.  Europe will have to continue an open immigration policy for its working population to be able to take care of the aging locals.  "Native" population growth in most European nations is very low, but the young people that immigrate to Europe are becoming more and more significant as the economic backbone of Europe.

Inevitably, this means Europe will slowly become more Indian, North African, and Middle Eastern in culture.  This isn't a bad thing, but it does mean some changes will result from it.
We could call this newly culturalized continent.....................Eurabia!!! ( see how it comes full circle?)
and yes Turquoise, this would be a bad thing. But at least you see it is happening.
2008-02-17 05:24:49
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7257|Grapevine, TX

usmarine wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I feel sorry for you, you are just a troll.  So lame.
I disagree.  You called me a know it all in another thread.  Troll or Know it all?  which one, make up your special mind.
epic lulz
epic












lulz


God Bless the Red, the White, and the Blue.             Maybe toss it up a bit.... A Special-Minded, Troll it all?
2008-02-17 05:29:20
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

usmarine wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:


I disagree.  You called me a know it all in another thread.  Troll or Know it all?  which one, make up your special mind.
epic lulz
epic












lulz


God Bless the Red, the White, and the Blue.             Maybe toss it up a bit.... A Special-Minded, Troll it all?
And the flag has to do with this how again?
2008-02-17 05:34:05
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7257|Grapevine, TX
ummm, *quick, think of something fast* Freedom of speech,  yeah  that'l do...
2008-02-17 05:50:48
PureFodder
Member
+225|6714

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

David.P wrote:


It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
The EU does seem intended as a body of government to unite all of Europe, but I think each of these countries will at least remain culturally unique for another 50 years or so.

There are other things at work though.  Europe will have to continue an open immigration policy for its working population to be able to take care of the aging locals.  "Native" population growth in most European nations is very low, but the young people that immigrate to Europe are becoming more and more significant as the economic backbone of Europe.

Inevitably, this means Europe will slowly become more Indian, North African, and Middle Eastern in culture.  This isn't a bad thing, but it does mean some changes will result from it.
We could call this newly culturalized continent.....................Eurabia!!! ( see how it comes full circle?)
and yes Turquoise, this would be a bad thing. But at least you see it is happening.
There's no particular reason why low population growth is a bad thing. We're so rich these days that there's little chance of the aging baby boomers causing a huge economic problem. We supported them as kids while the country was recovering from a massive war, we're far richer now.

Surely low population growth is a good thing, I don't see the need for large scale immigration.
2008-02-17 05:59:37
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6427|...

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

David.P wrote:

It's a continent in the beginnings of become one country.
The EU does seem intended as a body of government to unite all of Europe, but I think each of these countries will at least remain culturally unique for another 50 years or so.

There are other things at work though.  Europe will have to continue an open immigration policy for its working population to be able to take care of the aging locals.  "Native" population growth in most European nations is very low, but the young people that immigrate to Europe are becoming more and more significant as the economic backbone of Europe.

Inevitably, this means Europe will slowly become more Indian, North African, and Middle Eastern in culture.  This isn't a bad thing, but it does mean some changes will result from it.
We could call this newly culturalized continent.....................Eurabia!!! ( see how it comes full circle?)
and yes Turquoise, this would be a bad thing. But at least you see it is happening.
No. Europe will stay Europe as it has always been. A massive multicultural blending pot? Yes. But we will never lose our identities as Europeans. Even so, the original ethnic races still far outnumber the non-western foreigners coming to our countries.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-02-17 06:00:14)

inane little opines
2008-02-17 06:11:17
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

dayarath wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


The EU does seem intended as a body of government to unite all of Europe, but I think each of these countries will at least remain culturally unique for another 50 years or so.

There are other things at work though.  Europe will have to continue an open immigration policy for its working population to be able to take care of the aging locals.  "Native" population growth in most European nations is very low, but the young people that immigrate to Europe are becoming more and more significant as the economic backbone of Europe.

Inevitably, this means Europe will slowly become more Indian, North African, and Middle Eastern in culture.  This isn't a bad thing, but it does mean some changes will result from it.
We could call this newly culturalized continent.....................Eurabia!!! ( see how it comes full circle?)
and yes Turquoise, this would be a bad thing. But at least you see it is happening.
No. Europe will stay Europe as it has always been. A massive multicultural blending pot? Yes. But we will never lose our identities as Europeans. Even so, the original ethnic races still far outnumber the non-western foreigners coming to our countries.
Europe is ALREADY not Europe "as it has always been". Or has that Euro thing been around longer than I think? Your countries are become "states" in a European Union. Much like the US.

Your identities are being diluted and ME immigration is a major ingredient. Just like Mexicans has rapidly become our major ingredient.
Your borders are becoming no more than lines on a map
Look at the US just 50 years ago, compared to now. All of the PC we are witnessing is an indicator of changes that are coming, new traditions, new cultures, new offensive topics etc....

This is your wake up call
2008-02-17 06:22:10
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6427|...

Iowing wrote:

Europe is ALREADY not Europe "as it has always been". Or has that Euro thing been around longer than I think? Your countries are become "states" in a European Union. Much like the US.

Your identities are being diluted and ME immigration is a major ingredient. Just like Mexicans has rapidly become our major ingredient.
Your borders are becoming no more than lines on a map
Look at the US just 50 years ago, compared to now. All of the PC we are witnessing is an indicator of changes that are coming, new traditions, new cultures, new offensive topics etc....

This is your wake up call
That our countries are melting togheter is a good thing in my opinion, I actually support that. Even so, the different regions, or states in this one big Europe still have their own cultures and colours, that we manage to get along better is just good. It's like cities, every single one has it's own history and customs, and many of the European countries are pretty related in their ways.

However, that immigrants which are not of european descent would change our cultures is not true. They add more, but they are still a small fractions of the actual entity called "Europe". I'll take the Netherlands here as example, because we actually have a lot of non-european immigrants compared to most countries here on average. 8% of our total population consists of middle eastern, azian and african people. Even so, I do not see major differences in our culture here, just that it has become more varied and colourfull. Though there still is the major dominant culture which is ours, the dutch.

Immigrants will always play an important part in Europe, but they will never change our ways dramatically. There are still alot of special requirements for entering European countries, and if you get denied by one of the countries in the European Union you will not be able to retry in another country that is part of the European Union. Thus the amount of non-european immigrants will always be alot lower than the actual original ethnic groups in here.
inane little opines
2008-02-17 06:40:51
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

dayarath wrote:

Iowing wrote:

Europe is ALREADY not Europe "as it has always been". Or has that Euro thing been around longer than I think? Your countries are become "states" in a European Union. Much like the US.

Your identities are being diluted and ME immigration is a major ingredient. Just like Mexicans has rapidly become our major ingredient.
Your borders are becoming no more than lines on a map
Look at the US just 50 years ago, compared to now. All of the PC we are witnessing is an indicator of changes that are coming, new traditions, new cultures, new offensive topics etc....

This is your wake up call
That our countries are melting togheter is a good thing in my opinion, I actually support that. Even so, the different regions, or states in this one big Europe still have their own cultures and colours, that we manage to get along better is just good. It's like cities, every single one has it's own history and customs, and many of the European countries are pretty related in their ways.

However, that immigrants which are not of european descent would change our cultures is not true. They add more, but they are still a small fractions of the actual entity called "Europe". I'll take the Netherlands here as example, because we actually have a lot of non-european immigrants compared to most countries here on average. 8% of our total population consists of middle eastern, azian and african people. Even so, I do not see major differences in our culture here, just that it has become more varied and colourfull. Though there still is the major dominant culture which is ours, the dutch.

Immigrants will always play an important part in Europe, but they will never change our ways dramatically. There are still alot of special requirements for entering European countries, and if you get denied by one of the countries in the European Union you will not be able to retry in another country that is part of the European Union. Thus the amount of non-european immigrants will always be alot lower than the actual original ethnic groups in here.
Well, I think that is a nice and positive outlook but I feel is a bit naive. The US is a perfect example of where you are headed.

You are kinda even contradicting yourself in admitting that European countries are "melting together and this is a good thing"  and then say nothing is really changing... You simply can not add ingredience to a broth without changing its flavor and color. It is impossible. You might like the new flavor and color but it is different none-the-less. I personally do not like the changes I see in our country due to immigration.
2008-02-17 06:44:09
jord
Member
+2,382|7106|The North, beyond the wall.
I seriously can't see Europe becoming one country. There's so much tension/cultural boundaries/languages.
2008-02-17 06:47:08
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6427|...

Iowing wrote:

Well, I think that is a nice and positive outlook but I feel is a bit naive. The US is a perfect example of where you are headed.

You are kinda even contradicting yourself in admitting that European countries are "melting together and this is a good thing"  and then say nothing is really changing... You simply can not add ingredience to a broth without changing its flavor and color. It is impossible. You might like the new flavor and color but it is different none-the-less. I personally do not like the changes I see in our country due to immigration.
Well, the mexican problem with the US is pretty different from how Europe actually works. And furthermore, if you look closely I'm not contradicting myself. That we're melting togheter is good, as I said but I also explained that European countries are somewhat like different cities. Each one of them has it's own history and customs, but we are all pretty related to eachother, there are no real major cultural differences inbetween for example, Netherlands, Germany and Belgium.

Ofcourse some things will change, but each country will still be clearly seperable from the others around it, atleast - that's how I see it.
inane little opines
2008-02-17 07:00:00
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

dayarath wrote:

Iowing wrote:

Well, I think that is a nice and positive outlook but I feel is a bit naive. The US is a perfect example of where you are headed.

You are kinda even contradicting yourself in admitting that European countries are "melting together and this is a good thing"  and then say nothing is really changing... You simply can not add ingredience to a broth without changing its flavor and color. It is impossible. You might like the new flavor and color but it is different none-the-less. I personally do not like the changes I see in our country due to immigration.
Well, the mexican problem with the US is pretty different from how Europe actually works. And furthermore, if you look closely I'm not contradicting myself. That we're melting togheter is good, as I said but I also explained that European countries are somewhat like different cities. Each one of them has it's own history and customs, but we are all pretty related to eachother, there are no real major cultural differences inbetween for example, Netherlands, Germany and Belgium.

Ofcourse some things will change, but each country will still be clearly seperable from the others around it, atleast - that's how I see it.
fsir enough, but a few quick questions, and these are legit questions I am not trying to trap you into an answer, just honesty....Do you see any changes in Europe over the past 20 years that you never saw coming or expected? Do you feel choked with PC in your countries, if so who is influencing all of PC?
2008-02-17 07:04:54
jord
Member
+2,382|7106|The North, beyond the wall.

lowing wrote:

Do you feel choked with PC in your countries, if so who is influencing all of PC?
Pretty clever that one, makes you think.

However you'd be surprised, the PC might be about Muslims but it isn't Muslims doing it. It's usually White people meddling in others affairs. The Muslims generally shun them. Infact most I know are embarrassed when it makes the news. They don't care about what Valentines day is called, it's like a "Oh not again..." moment for the Muslims I know.
2008-02-17 07:13:17
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6427|...

Iowing wrote:

fsir enough, but a few quick questions, and these are legit questions I am not trying to trap you into an answer, just honesty....Do you see any changes in Europe over the past 20 years that you never saw coming or expected? Do you feel choked with PC in your countries, if so who is influencing all of PC?
Question 1: Well seeing as I can't really make any decision out of personal experience here (and being used to the customs of the last 16 years) I'd say, probably yes. There have been major changes in Europe in line with important historical events, and more immigration / freedom to go do what you want, also WAY more cooperation inbetween European countries than ever before, it skyrocketed after the 2nd world war.

Question 2: Well, sometimes yes. It's as if people see the book of law as some kind of overly sacred thing which must be followed step by step without any exceptions. This makes people overlook what's actually right in the situation, and what would be logic seen from a moral and responsible point of view. I'm not sure who is in charge of some of the most redicoules things but politicians seem to be very fond of using PC nowadays.
inane little opines
2008-02-17 07:16:56
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7079|USA

jord wrote:

lowing wrote:

Do you feel choked with PC in your countries, if so who is influencing all of PC?
Pretty clever that one, makes you think.

However you'd be surprised, the PC might be about Muslims but it isn't Muslims doing it. It's usually White people meddling in others affairs. The Muslims generally shun them. Infact most I know are embarrassed when it makes the news. They don't care about what Valentines day is called, it's like a "Oh not again..." moment for the Muslims I know.
Regardless of the orgins of the PC, it apparently exists, and it is bringing changes to Europe, just like the US. I simply do not want these changes. Our pushers of PC are "white people" as well, trying to buy the minority vote, never the less, there it is.

 

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