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The issue with slavery in the Americas was it was distinct in the manner that race and slavery were linked. Although slavery was an activity and normalized as a global issue until well into the 19th century, the manner in which the slavery business operated in the American (with this term, I speak of the Americas as a whole) colonies was different. The justification for the use of slavery by means of race is largely an American phenomenon.

Additionally, that it was relatively recent accounts for current feelings, as well as that these attitudes towards the past have continued to be felt by successive generations; albeit, it is not as large an issue as lowing makes it out to be. Largely, it is forgotten, and few wish for reparations. Treatments of blacks into the 50s and 60s, and issues of racism still today also contribute to these feelings.

As for the "White Entertainment Television" argument, I do believe that the idea of black nationalism is divisive and against our common interests, as any nationalism is. The reasoning of black culture is its own existence- As a group of people, there exists a greater common bond between the black community than the white community. You will not see white television or magazines because there isn't a common culture that white people enjoy in the same manner as black people. If someone were to create a "White Entertainment Television", it would most likely be racist. It would be unlikely that a program such as that would be devoted to a common culture, since little exists. On the other hand, there is common ethnic cultures that permeate white populations. The Irish and Scottish populations, to use an example, are significant in North America, and there still is a culture of these people. Think of kilts or St. Patrick's Day. These are the Caucasian expressions of culture that is concerned with genetic background.

Last edited by Drakef (2008-02-28 00:08:33)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

lowing wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I bet Ive grown up around more black people than the average person that posts here and Ive never heard any of them crying about reparations.

Basically I am asking why isn't it racist when blacks enjoy exclusive magazines, TV channels, beauty pageants, college funds, any of these things for white people would be considered racist? Isn't that very double standard racist and discriminatory in itself??

blame the media.  the powers that be decide on what is acceptable and what isnt.


sounds like your angry at black people in general.  I dont know if thats the case, but thats what it appears to me.  I believe you need to point your frustrations elsewhere.

Angry?? nope not at all. Why would you think I am angry? Are these not facts worthy of a discussion? I don't think it was the media calling for Don Imus's head on a platter for saying "nappy headed hoe". It was the black community, right up until the lyrics of hip hop and shit was put in their face. Then their gripe lost credibility.

Again I ask.......Do you see a double standard or not?

Drakef wrote:

The issue with slavery in the Americas was it was distinct in the manner that race and slavery were linked. Although slavery was an activity and normalized as a global issue until well into the 19th century, the manner in which the slavery business operated in the American (with this term, I speak of the Americas as a whole) colonies was different. The justification for the use of slavery by means of race is largely an American phenomenon.

Additionally, that it was relatively recent accounts for current feelings, as well as that these attitudes towards the past have continued to be felt by successive generations; albeit, it is not as large an issue as lowing makes it out to be. Largely, it is forgotten, and few wish for reparations. Treatments of blacks into the 50s and 60s, and issues of racism still today also contribute to these feelings.

As for the "White Entertainment Television" argument, I do believe that the idea of black nationalism is divisive and against our common interests, as any nationalism is. The reasoning of black culture is its own existence- As a group of people, there exists a greater common bond between the black community and the white community. You will not see white television or magazines because there isn't a common culture that white people enjoy in the same manner as black people. If someone were to create a "White Entertainment Television", it would most likely be racist. It would be unlikely that a program such as that would be devoted to a common culture, since little exists. On the other hand, there is common ethnic cultures that permeate white populations. The Irish and Scottish populations, to use an example, are significant in North America, and there still is a culture of these people. Think of kilts or St. Patrick's Day. These are the Caucasian expressions of culture that is concerned with genetic background.

I am pretty sure the majority of whites ancestors came from the European continent, just like the majority of black ancestry came from the African continent......Your argument is what again???

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

If anything it is those of you that approve of a double standard based on race and affirmative action that are the racists.

Uh.... I do?

why don't you respond to the whole thread. Spearhead??

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Uh.... I do?

why don't you respond to the whole thread. Spearhead??

There's nothing to respond to.  You referenced an article about an isolated incident involving some dumbshit people who happen to be black.  And if I'm reading the responses everyone else is making, no one is saying otherwise. 

Yet you make it sound as though your rights are being infringed upon.  Seriously lowing you might wanna take a look at where you live.  Demographics matter.  Around where I live, mostly white people are the racist assholes.  Maybe its different around you or something.

I will ask yet again. Is there a double standard in America?? If so, why?

You just called me a racist for even mentioning this topic, and most of the white people you live around racist yet if it were a black guy and his percieved discrimination, no such accusations would have been made. I am asking why??

Drakef wrote:

lowing wrote:

Drakef wrote:

The issue with slavery in the Americas was it was distinct in the manner that race and slavery were linked. Although slavery was an activity and normalized as a global issue until well into the 19th century, the manner in which the slavery business operated in the American (with this term, I speak of the Americas as a whole) colonies was different. The justification for the use of slavery by means of race is largely an American phenomenon.

Additionally, that it was relatively recent accounts for current feelings, as well as that these attitudes towards the past have continued to be felt by successive generations; albeit, it is not as large an issue as lowing makes it out to be. Largely, it is forgotten, and few wish for reparations. Treatments of blacks into the 50s and 60s, and issues of racism still today also contribute to these feelings.

As for the "White Entertainment Television" argument, I do believe that the idea of black nationalism is divisive and against our common interests, as any nationalism is. The reasoning of black culture is its own existence- As a group of people, there exists a greater common bond between the black community than the white community. You will not see white television or magazines because there isn't a common culture that white people enjoy in the same manner as black people. If someone were to create a "White Entertainment Television", it would most likely be racist. It would be unlikely that a program such as that would be devoted to a common culture, since little exists. On the other hand, there is common ethnic cultures that permeate white populations. The Irish and Scottish populations, to use an example, are significant in North America, and there still is a culture of these people. Think of kilts or St. Patrick's Day. These are the Caucasian expressions of culture that is concerned with genetic background.

I am pretty sure the majority of whites ancestors came from the European continent, just like the majority of black ancestry came from the African continent......Your argument is what again???

I'm not entirely sure what you are attempting to point out.

My argument is that the lack of common white culture would not see a "White Entertainment Television", while in the same fashion the cohesive nature of the black culture in the United States allows for a program such as BET. I do believe that there is Caucasian ethnic pride in the same manner as black racial pride, if that creates any relative situation.

..........but black culture is just as diverse as white culture. You still have the division of classes amongst the black community. A black upper middle class citizen has very little in common with a black lower class citizen. Keeping in mind that none of the black community actually lived or came from Africa any more than I came from Europe. The common ground is, we are all Americans I have no ties to Europe, and the blacks have no ties to Africa ( generally speaking of course).

Black pride is acceptable, why isn't white pride?? Why can all other races live in their own communities, but if a white person chooses to live in a white community he is a racist?

Please keep in mind, I ask these questions playing the devils advocate. I am not a racist, regardless of what is written about me in this forum. I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results.

rawls2 wrote:

Because black still feel the sting of racism do you?

Compelling.


Not really.

rawls2 wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm


Not sure why my OP got censored. But here it goes again.

It is obvious blacks were not the only race held as slaves, yet they seem to be getting all of the attention for it. Why? Why is the black communities pain and suffering so much more great than mine. My ancestors suffered as well, yet no one is speaking out for reparations on my behalf. I will also bet that anyone reading this OP will think I am a nut for asking for it and a racist for even mentioning it. Is this another double standard of which I, as a white person, must contend with, or am I due just as much a piece of the reparations pie as any one else who makes claims against our history?  My ancestors were apparently also held in bondage and I want my reparations for it..........So again I ask, where do I sign up.

Because black still feel the sting of racism do you?

Yes, white people are discriminated against all the time every day. Or are we allowed to have a white guy college fund, a white miss America, white guy magazine, white scuba divers of America, without any protests? Is this not discrimination as well?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

About the only white pride (for all intents and purposes) things you can really do without being called a racist is participate in cultural festivals like the Scottish Highland Games.

I agree, and the question still remains.............. why??

I am thinking that I am not getting a lot of responses from people in this forum ( except from being called a racist of course) because they know there is overwhelming evidence that there is a double standard against whites and can not find away to defend it without being the very racist that they accuse me off. Am I close??

san4 wrote:

I think this is one of lowing's ancestors singing about her time in bondage...

well that video lasted about 5 secs......do you care to respond the OP instead or any posts? Maybe shed some light on the topic as you see it?