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Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Well, I was TRYING to show you that there ARE actually peaceful Muslims, but apparentely you just decided to overlook them.

So what? Still doesn't represent Muslim in America as a whole.

I guess ya missed the point that CAIR is the MOST influential Islamic American organization in the US and also the bigest. So why aren't we gunna discuss this group since they are in fact the MAJOR player of all these groups in the US?

So wait, because the Catholic Church is the head of Catholicism, everything bad they say and do overrules every Catholic person's beliefs just because they're the "most major player" of all the Catholic groups?

Well shit!

Yup when the Catholic Church starts to teach to kill non believers, you will not find much support from me for them. Until then however, please keep your analogies grounded.

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

I guess ya missed the point that CAIR is the MOST influential Islamic American organization in the US and also the bigest. So why aren't we gunna discuss this group since they are in fact the MAJOR player of all these groups in the US?

So wait, because the Catholic Church is the head of Catholicism, everything bad they say and do overrules every Catholic person's beliefs just because they're the "most major player" of all the Catholic groups?

Well shit!

Yup when the Catholic Church starts to teach to kill non believers, you will not find much support from me for them. Until then however, please keep your analogies grounded.

Again, that's not what I'm saying.

At all.

I'm saying - the fact that you're letting a group speak for ALL muslims is very, very sad.

David.P wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I'm saying - the fact that you're letting a group speak for ALL muslims is very, very sad.

Clarify this line before i point out whats wrong with it.

He's letting ONE group speak for ALL muslims. I was trying to say - that's like letting the Catholic Church speak for ALL Catholics.

...Not that hard to figure out.

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

And you know this, how? Considering you still give no indication that you've even met a Muslim, let alone talked to them.

Actually I have met a few Muslims while in Iraq, and had quite a few rather deep conversations with them about various issues concerning the war. I found their stories interesting and informative and they were as pleasant to talk to as anyone I have met in my life.

And, you regard their religion as extremist.

Oookay. Something doesn't fit here.

Poseidon wrote:

He's letting ONE group speak for ALL muslims. I was trying to say - that's like letting the Catholic Church speak for ALL Catholics.

/Facepalm

What part of the church?  You cannot say the catholic church speaks on who's behalf if you do not specify which part of it. Do you mean catholicism as a whole?

Poseidon wrote:

...Not that hard to figure out.

I'm tired.

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

And you know this, how? Considering you still give no indication that you've even met a Muslim, let alone talked to them.

Actually I have met a few Muslims while in Iraq, and had quite a few rather deep conversations with them about various issues concerning the war. I found their stories interesting and informative and they were as pleasant to talk to as anyone I have met in my life.

And, you regard their religion as extremist.

Oookay. Something doesn't fit here.

Their religion goes against western values and beliefs, an individuals personal beliefs may not. I hate this religion I take individual members of this religion one at a time and form opinions about them ( like I do everyone else) based on how they influence those around them

Masques wrote:

Masques wrote:

You don't have to search far to find muslim groups denouncing hateful imams or speaking out on violence. You won't find them on TV much because peaceable individuals trying to facilitate dialog don't rouse the rabble. Get a few unshaven goons screaming "Durka Durka, Mohammad, Jihad!" and you boost the ratings and the bottom line a little.

Not true, any Islamic leader that spoke out continuously and consistently about this issue would get air time. THe problem is there simply isn't any voice loud enough.

Here is an example:

When the cartoons were published, there was no shortage of coverage as to how the Islamic community felt about it.

When the Russian sschool kids got massacured, there was no protests or riots condemning it.

Bottomlne is when Muslims want to be heard they are heard loud and clear, it is when they have no comment they speak the loudest.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Again, that's not what I'm saying.

At all.

I'm saying - the fact that you're letting a group speak for ALL muslims is very, very sad.

No, what is "sad" is the vast majority of Muslims are letting the extremists speak for them. This is the root of my problem with this religion in my country. As Americans if the Islamic members of our society are willing to sit back and allow this shit to happen without a fight, then to me, it is paramount as an endorsement. Hence my problem with this religion in my country.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

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http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio … 2265.story

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David.P wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

He's letting ONE group speak for ALL muslims. I was trying to say - that's like letting the Catholic Church speak for ALL Catholics.

/Facepalm

What part of the church?  You cannot say the catholic church speaks on who's behalf if you do not specify which part of it. Do you mean catholicism as a whole?

Poseidon wrote:

...Not that hard to figure out.

I'm tired.

...The church as a whole. The Pope. Whatever. If he starts being a douchebag and spouting intolerant remarks, should his words be what all Catholics think? Of course not. But for Islam, that's acceptable apparentely, even when it's by people who don't have the power equivilent to the Pope.

the fact that I know the names of Bin Ladin, Al Sadr, al-Zarqawi, Udday, Qusay etc..... and I have never heard of these leaders is pretty much proof that they are ineffective in their messages.

(On the London Bombings of '05)

Some random muslim guy wrote:

Whoever is responsible for this atrocity will face the wrath of God for the crime they have committed. He who takes a single innocent life is as though he had killed all mankind (Quran 5:32). My prayers are with the victims and their families. May God ease their pain and help them cope. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/ar … 010685.php

Shit, these guys are fucking insane! They're all fanatics I tell you! ALL OF THEM!

Poseidon wrote:

(On the London Bombings of '05)

Some random muslim guy wrote:

Whoever is responsible for this atrocity will face the wrath of God for the crime they have committed. He who takes a single innocent life is as though he had killed all mankind (Quran 5:32). My prayers are with the victims and their families. May God ease their pain and help them cope. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/ar … 010685.php

Shit, these guys are fucking insane! They're all fanatics I tell you! ALL OF THEM!

Please dont make me dig up that BBC interview with a former muslim who left after his family celebrated 7/7.

Nvm cant find it.

Last edited by David.P (2008-03-21 22:03:51)

David.P wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

(On the London Bombings of '05)

Some random muslim guy wrote:

Whoever is responsible for this atrocity will face the wrath of God for the crime they have committed. He who takes a single innocent life is as though he had killed all mankind (Quran 5:32). My prayers are with the victims and their families. May God ease their pain and help them cope. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/ar … 010685.php

Shit, these guys are fucking insane! They're all fanatics I tell you! ALL OF THEM!

Please dont make me dig up that BBC interview with a former muslim who left after his family celebrated 7/7.

What's your point? Again, that one person doesn't speak for Islam as a whole.

It's funny, I've probably felt the brunt of Islamic extremism more than a lot of people here besides people like GS, USMarine, or anyone else who lives in NYC/Washington DC/PA (I lost a family friend in the WTC, and I could smell the smoke the following morning) yet I don't hate Islam. You'd think someone who was affected by Islamic extremism directly would be the most hate-mongering of all people...but I'm not.

Perhaps it's because I'm tolerant of other people? Maybe it's because I don't generalize because of the actions of a few?

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

David.P wrote:

Please dont make me dig up that BBC interview with a former muslim who left after his family celebrated 7/7.

What's your point? Again, that one person doesn't speak for Islam as a whole.

It's funny, I've probably felt the brunt of Islamic extremism more than a lot of people here besides people like GS, USMarine, or anyone else who lives in NYC/Washington DC/PA (I lost a family friend in the WTC, and I could smell the smoke the following morning) yet I don't hate Islam. You'd think someone who was affected by Islamic extremism directly would be the most hate-mongering of all people...but I'm not.

Perhaps it's because I'm tolerant of other people? Maybe it's because I don't generalize because of the actions of a few?

Apparently one person does not speak for the whole according to you unless he of course agrees with you. IE your Mom, or the guy talking about the London bombing

...I didn't say that. You need to read my posts, lowing. It helps in discussions.

I don't think that all muslims are peaceful. I never, ever said that. I also don't think all are extremists. Those people I posted do NOT speak for Islam as a whole, they simply disprove YOUR thought that extremists speak for Islam as a whole.