It all goes back to the current administration.

2008-03-25 20:00:55

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

You gotta love the shameless cheer leaders that make up the trifecta of Rush Limbaugh, Shan Hannity and the republican nominee.
Rush was saying the other day that the gas prices dropped when Reagan was elected;

Then he said they spiked when the democrats won the mid term elections;

The fact is, whether by action, or inaction most of the blame lies at the feet of the republican party. A devalued dollar, inflation and an war of questionable need and dubious execution are what has jacked up world wide markets. Who was at the helm while shady mortgage deals were being brokered? Under whose watch did credit card interest rates go to 29.99%? Enron?

If Bush has led by example it is into a abyss. No republican or conservative in his right mind would support a government ran by " conservatives " that allow an open border and allow corporations and banks to plunder the public. The Bush administration has made the best arguments for limits to capitalism, because left unchecked big business is no different than a jackal scavenging in the desert. Just like big government.
Here's one more graph;

The price of standard crude oil on NYMEX was under $25/barrel in September 2003, and with inflation adjustments had remained below this mark since the mid 1980s. A series of events led the price to reach over $60 by August 11, 2005, surpass $75 in the summer of 2006, fall to between $50 and $60/barrel in the early part of 2007, then rise steeply, reaching $92/barrel by October 2007 and $99.29/barrel for December futures in New York on November 21, 2007.

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/dpr-rmr/2006-2 … 02-eng.asp

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2008-03-25 20:18:14

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Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6610|Ireland

You keep posting like that and you and CameronPoe won't have anything to argue about.

2008-03-25 20:22:21

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Like it or not, you gotta admit ATG's right.

2008-03-25 20:22:57

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:
You keep posting like that and you and CameronPoe won't have anything to argue about.

Not sure we do anymore, tbh. It all goes back to the current administration. Lying bastards. The lied about everything and the republican party deserves to suffer for it.
I don't listen to the right wing talking heads when they say Barracks policies will bankrupt America because the right wing policies are doing it anyway AND they are getting thousands of good Americans killed in the process.
Shameless failures.

2008-03-25 20:24:39

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HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6388|Washington DC

Can we have another American revolution

2008-03-25 20:24:45

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

I wouldn't put all the blame on Republicans, but neoconservatives are definitely the worst thing that's happened to the Republican party. They need to go back to the Libertarian wisdom of Barry Goldwater. The Religious Right in combination with the military industrial complex has essentially dumbed down the party.

2008-03-25 20:26:23

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Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6610|Ireland

Yeah, as fucked up as the Republican party is now I am surprised it doesn't get more support from liberals.

2008-03-25 20:28:21

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:
Yeah, as fucked up as the Republican party is now I am surprised it doesn't get more support from liberals.

See what I mean?

When you drop the forum identity and look at thing objectively there is just no defending these arseholes!

2008-03-25 20:32:36

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:
Yeah, as fucked up as the Republican party is now I am surprised it doesn't get more support from liberals.

There's a simple answer to that. Big government isn't solely a liberal thing. Big government on the right wing mostly involves invasive social policies with excessive military spending and interventionism.

True smaller government is practiced by Libertarians. Granted, I can't say I always agree with Libertarians, but it amuses me when the Republicans claim to stand for smaller government despite being the ones that dramatically increased government spending between 2001 and 2006. They knew how to limit government when Clinton was in charge, but they went crazy with spending once Bush entered office.

As things currently stand, Democrats comparatively spend less than Republicans.

2008-03-25 20:35:45

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

Turquoise wrote:
Lotta_Drool wrote:
Yeah, as fucked up as the Republican party is now I am surprised it doesn't get more support from liberals.
There's a simple answer to that. Big government isn't solely a liberal thing. Big government on the right wing mostly involves invasive social policies with excessive military spending and interventionism.

True smaller government is practiced by Libertarians. Granted, I can't say I always agree with Libertarians, but it amuses me when the Republicans claim to stand for smaller government despite being the ones that dramatically increased government spending between 2001 and 2006. They knew how to limit government when Clinton was in charge, but they went crazy with spending once Bush entered office.

As things currently stand, Democrats comparatively spend less than Republicans.

Heh, you should see all the different tax increases the California liberals are trying to push through.

2008-03-25 20:37:52

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

ATG wrote:
Heh, you should see all the different tax increases the California liberals are trying to push through.

I'll put it this way... I'd rather have people in charge that raise taxes than people who lower taxes but don't also lower spending.

Bush's tax cuts could have accomplished much more for our economy if he had only cut spending in the appropriate amounts. The Republicans had the power to actually shrink government between 2001 and 2006, but they blew it.

2008-03-25 20:48:58

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Ender2309: has joined the GOP; +470|6998|USA

Turquoise wrote:
Lotta_Drool wrote:
Yeah, as fucked up as the Republican party is now I am surprised it doesn't get more support from liberals.
There's a simple answer to that. Big government isn't solely a liberal thing. Big government on the right wing mostly involves invasive social policies with excessive military spending and interventionism.

True smaller government is practiced by Libertarians. Granted, I can't say I always agree with Libertarians, but it amuses me when the Republicans claim to stand for smaller government despite being the ones that dramatically increased government spending between 2001 and 2006. They knew how to limit government when Clinton was in charge, but they went crazy with spending once Bush entered office.

As things currently stand, Democrats comparatively spend less than Republicans.

hit the nail on the head. as social policies expand --medicaid, medicare, fire departments, education, etc. the bureaucracy must expand, and vice versa. its an infinite loop that feeds itself.

however, the major problem is the way budgeting is done. all these bureaucracies and senatorial committees are afraid of losing their money and power and so they spend every cent they get even when its not necessary, which is the real reason we're fucking broke.

2008-03-25 20:52:34

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

There's also a ton of corporate welfare that needs to be ditched. Privatizing and phasing SS into state-based programs would also save a lot of money on the federal level.

2008-03-25 20:59:25

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

Turquoise wrote:
ATG wrote:
Heh, you should see all the different tax increases the California liberals are trying to push through.
I'll put it this way... I'd rather have people in charge that raise taxes than people who lower taxes but don't also lower spending.

Bush's tax cuts could have accomplished much more for our economy if he had only cut spending in the appropriate amounts. The Republicans had the power to actually shrink government between 2001 and 2006, but they blew it.

Yup, non discretionary, non military spending exploded under Bush and that is the failure he will forever own. Iraq, that's a debate. The fact that Bush is a liar who spends like a drunk sailor is not.

2008-03-25 21:30:12

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Ender2309: has joined the GOP; +470|6998|USA

Turquoise wrote:
There's also a ton of corporate welfare that needs to be ditched. Privatizing and phasing SS into state-based programs would also save a lot of money on the federal level.

agreed. corporations are being treated like people and it needs to stop NOW.

2008-03-25 21:31:24

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Ender2309 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
There's also a ton of corporate welfare that needs to be ditched. Privatizing and phasing SS into state-based programs would also save a lot of money on the federal level.
agreed. corporations are being treated like people and it needs to stop NOW.

*nods* I'm guessing you've seen "The Corporation." That was such a good movie.

2008-03-25 21:33:56

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6956|Global Command

Bunch of sheep, aren't we? Who would want that job?

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2008-03-25 21:49:13

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Ender2309: has joined the GOP; +470|6998|USA

Turquoise wrote:
Ender2309 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
There's also a ton of corporate welfare that needs to be ditched. Privatizing and phasing SS into state-based programs would also save a lot of money on the federal level.
agreed. corporations are being treated like people and it needs to stop NOW.
*nods* I'm guessing you've seen "The Corporation." That was such a good movie.

nope. i just read a lot on the net and in my gov book.

2008-03-25 21:51:16

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Ender2309 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Ender2309 wrote:

agreed. corporations are being treated like people and it needs to stop NOW.
*nods* I'm guessing you've seen "The Corporation." That was such a good movie.
nope. i just read a lot on the net and in my gov book.

Ah... check it out then... Some of it will likely be a rehash for you, but it's so well put together.

2008-03-25 21:52:33

#20

Ender2309: has joined the GOP; +470|6998|USA

Turquoise wrote:
Ender2309 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

*nods* I'm guessing you've seen "The Corporation." That was such a good movie.
nope. i just read a lot on the net and in my gov book.
Ah... check it out then... Some of it will likely be a rehash for you, but it's so well put together.

will do chief.

@ATG: thats a pretty interesting chart. shows just how dependent we are on oil. man, i can't wait to get out on my own. gonna take advantage of solar power for sure. and buy a nice electric car for the short trips.

2008-03-27 11:01:38

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Phrozenbot: Member; +632|7042|do not disturb

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2008-03-27 12:26:41

#22

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

Turquoise wrote:
Ender2309 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

*nods* I'm guessing you've seen "The Corporation." That was such a good movie.
nope. i just read a lot on the net and in my gov book.
Ah... check it out then... Some of it will likely be a rehash for you, but it's so well put together.

Thanks man. I'm watching it now.

Its on youtube btw. All of it. To anyon who wants to watch it.

2008-03-27 14:46:02

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Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7101|Canberra, AUS

That is possibly the most facepalm-able attempt to blame democrats I have ever seen...

Srsly. That would take a person half a second to see through.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-03-27 15:53:25

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Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

Spark wrote:
http://i28.tinypic.com/j08njn.jpg

That is possibly the most facepalm-able attempt to blame democrats I have ever seen...

Srsly. That would take a person half a second to see through.

LOL. Ya.... the midterm elections were at the end of 06..

good catch, I didnt see it the first time tbh.

2008-03-27 15:55:00

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Spearhead wrote:
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nope. i just read a lot on the net and in my gov book.
Ah... check it out then... Some of it will likely be a rehash for you, but it's so well put together.
Thanks man. I'm watching it now.

Its on youtube btw. All of it. To anyon who wants to watch it.

No prob... it's one of my alltime faves... The Corporation should be required viewing for all intro economics classes in college.

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