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2008-04-07 04:34:46
Bradt3hleader
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Just wondering if it does? I'm gona get more if it does.

Here's my rig:

P4 prossecor, 1GB RAM, 104 hard drive, ASUS nVIDIA EN8800GT

I upgraded to the 8800GT from a 7600GS and I have no performance improvments exept in COD4 SP.

So does RAM help? Will it improve my FPS?

I'm running COD4 MP on low, same FPS; BF2142 on medium, same FPS, and ArmA on medium, just like before with everything, always same FPS.

Will RAM help?




Danke
2008-04-07 04:38:51
Mitch92uK
aka [DBS]Mitch92uK
+192|6507|United Kingdom

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Just wondering if it does? I'm gona get more if it does.

Here's my rig:

P4 prossecor, 1GB RAM, 104 hard drive, ASUS nVIDIA EN8800GT

I upgraded to the 8800GT from a 7600GS and I have no performance improvments exept in COD4 SP.

So does RAM help? Will it improve my FPS?

I'm running COD4 MP on low, same FPS; BF2142 on medium, same FPS, and ArmA on medium, just like before with everything, always same FPS.

Will RAM help?




Danke
just save up and get a new cpu, mobo, ram and use your GT in that
2008-04-07 04:44:10
Bradt3hleader
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Another person who thinks I bathe myself in money in the morning.

But will the RAM help? I can always get a better CPU later. And WTF...what's wrong with my mobo? ASUS P5B
2008-04-07 04:46:00
Sydney
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You're CPU is bottlenecking.

The roaring beast that the 8800GT is, wanting to play everything fully maxed out is being caged by the pathetic P4 CPU.

RAM would make it load faster and feel smoother, but it wouldn't have too much of an impact on FPS, not nearly as much as a new CPU would.
2008-04-07 04:46:58
Cybargs
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CPU and Ram is bottlenecking. P4s are so shit.
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2008-04-07 05:00:09
Bradt3hleader
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So what CPU should I get?   BTW how can you prove it's bottlenecking? Because I know friends telling me it's not.
2008-04-07 05:03:47
Sydney
2λчиэλ
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I recommend the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, it's powerful and it overclocks well (I have one myself)
2008-04-07 05:12:05
Mitch92uK
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Bradt3hleader wrote:

Another person who thinks I bathe myself in money in the morning.

But will the RAM help? I can always get a better CPU later. And WTF...what's wrong with my mobo? ASUS P5B
Just trying to help, the GT in that system is a waste and ram is would be even more so.
2008-04-07 05:35:17
DUnlimited
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RAM is the first bottleneck you have. CPU the second. The ram is a bit more urgent though.

If I were you I'd save some up and get something along these lines:

OCZ Platinum: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227139 $29

E4500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115031 $120


Also if you have/get a good cooler, you can overclock that CPU a lot and gain very good performance!


PBAsydney wrote:

I recommend the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, it's powerful and it overclocks well (I have one myself)
Never. If your mobo supports E8400, it is a lot better buy. Cheaper and faster and clocks better.

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-04-07 05:38:48)

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2008-04-07 05:38:11
']['error
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DeathUnlimited wrote:

RAM is the first bottleneck you have. CPU the second. The ram is a bit more urgent though.

If I were you I'd save some up and get something along these lines:

OCZ Platinum: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227139 $29

E4500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115031 $120


Also if you have/get a good cooler, you can overclock that CPU a lot and gain very good performance!
You don't even know if his motherboard is compatible with the "Core 2" series.
2008-04-07 05:39:24
DUnlimited
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']['error wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

RAM is the first bottleneck you have. CPU the second. The ram is a bit more urgent though.

If I were you I'd save some up and get something along these lines:

OCZ Platinum: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227139 $29

E4500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115031 $120


Also if you have/get a good cooler, you can overclock that CPU a lot and gain very good performance!
You don't even know if his motherboard is compatible with the "Core 2" series.
Yes I do, he said he has Asus P5B.

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Another person who thinks I bathe myself in money in the morning.

But will the RAM help? I can always get a better CPU later. And WTF...what's wrong with my mobo? ASUS P5B

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-04-07 05:40:08)

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2008-04-07 05:43:57
DUnlimited
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I thought you were from US, and just saw I was wrong. Well, I'm sure Max can find you something from Swiss stores, but I guess you get the point with those links.
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2008-04-07 06:02:42
max
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You'll need a faster CPU and more ram to run those games properly.
RAM
CPU
I picked out components that I think are best in your situation. It doesn't make sense IMO to get something of lower quality to only save very little. Together those components cost ~200CHF and together with the 8800GT should be able to run pretty much everything you throw at it (well except crysis, nothing runs that demonspawn well) and also OC well

That shop is pretty much the best we have in Switzerland, cheapish (at least for Switzerland) prices, loads of products and the guy who runs it is pretty flexible. I've ordered loads of stuff from there and I can only recommend it. Search this site for a price comparison of most swiss stores.
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2008-04-07 09:19:25
a_reborn_vetaran
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When I bought my Asus Geforce EN8800GT, I also had only 1 GB ram.
The tech team on this forums recommended me that I should upgrade it too 2 GB ram and now I can play Cod4 on highest easily, as I can for Battlefield 2 too!

But my CPU is kinda good (exept the speed then)

Greetz ,

Reborn
2008-04-07 09:32:39
Freezer7Pro
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a_reborn_vetaran wrote:

When I bought my Asus Geforce EN8800GT, I also had only 1 GB ram.
The tech team on this forums recommended me that I should upgrade it too 2 GB ram and now I can play Cod4 on highest easily, as I can for Battlefield 2 too!

But my CPU is kinda good (exept the speed then)

Greetz ,

Reborn
2GB is really a minimum for modern games. I can't imagine playing BF2 on 1GB again... Except for when I play it on 512MB on the lappy.
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2008-04-07 09:59:45
']['error
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max wrote:

You'll need a faster CPU and more ram to run those games properly.
RAM
CPU
^^^^^^

Last edited by ']['error (2008-04-07 10:00:25)

2008-04-07 10:09:16
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Here's how you tell if RAM is going to make a difference.  If you get slowdowns and stuttering in your games, look down and see if the hard drive is doing something.  Other than during map loads the hard drive shouldn't be getting accessed.  If it is, then your system is swapping data out of the page file and more RAM will help.  If your hard drive isn't being accessed during these slowdowns, then more RAM isn't likely to offer you anything much at all.
2008-04-07 10:11:30
unnamednewbie13
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Bradt3hleader wrote:

So what CPU should I get?   BTW how can you prove it's bottlenecking? Because I know friends telling me it's not.
If you're going to ask for help, stop second-guessing everything, or just ask your friends. RAM's the biggest issue here, but you could use a better CPU if you want to see justice done for your 8800GT. Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-07 10:32:05)

2008-04-07 10:54:45
Bradt3hleader
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bradt3hleader wrote:

So what CPU should I get?   BTW how can you prove it's bottlenecking? Because I know friends telling me it's not.
If you're going to ask for help, stop second-guessing everything, or just ask your friends. RAM's the biggest issue here, but you could use a better CPU if you want to see justice done for your 8800GT. Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.
Ok so I'll get more RAM...this week. Thanks


And I'll save up for another CPU.


I've spent over 4000 francs doing upgrades and shit to my PC. And of course I could have goten two good gaming PCs for that but my parents don't see it that way.

....I'm going to yell so foking loud....

Last edited by Bradt3hleader (2008-04-07 10:56:47)

2008-04-07 12:47:38
unnamednewbie13
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Bradt3hleader wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bradt3hleader wrote:

So what CPU should I get?   BTW how can you prove it's bottlenecking? Because I know friends telling me it's not.
If you're going to ask for help, stop second-guessing everything, or just ask your friends. RAM's the biggest issue here, but you could use a better CPU if you want to see justice done for your 8800GT. Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.
Ok so I'll get more RAM...this week. Thanks


And I'll save up for another CPU.


I've spent over 4000 francs doing upgrades and shit to my PC. And of course I could have goten two good gaming PCs for that but my parents don't see it that way.

....I'm going to yell so foking loud....
Notate the inflated expenses accrued for upgrades in comparison to the superior performance of a whole unit that will ultimately cost less. On paper. You can nickel and dime yourself to death with upgrades, and most of the time anything you get is going to be bottlenecked by 80% of the rest of your rig.

Or explain to them that it's like a car. At the point where you're constantly replacing parts here and there to keep the thing running satisfactorily, you might as well have sold it and bought another.

Or do odd jobs around your neighborhood and make your own money to subsidize computer-related purchases.

Something like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6883103133) could play BF2/2142 with contemptuous ease. You could rip out the video card it comes with and replace it with your 8800GT.

VicktorVauhn wrote:

My computer was APG only...so that made it a little worse...But trying to drag the old computer along into the future will just have you buy part after part until you realize its hopeless.
It can be difficult to explain this to people until they see it on paper.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-07 12:55:07)

2008-04-07 12:52:01
VicktorVauhn
Member
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DeathUnlimited wrote:

RAM is the first bottleneck you have. CPU the second. The ram is a bit more urgent though.

If I were you I'd save some up and get something along these lines:

OCZ Platinum: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227139 $29

E4500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115031 $120


Also if you have/get a good cooler, you can overclock that CPU a lot and gain very good performance!


PBAsydney wrote:

I recommend the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, it's powerful and it overclocks well (I have one myself)
Never. If your mobo supports E8400, it is a lot better buy. Cheaper and faster and clocks better.
Um...I am gonna dissagree.

My last computer was a 2.4 P4, and while going from 1gig ram to 2 gig ram will really help a lot....in the end it will suck because the CPU isn't that great.

One reason they say you need a new mother board is because the CPU socket for a P4 and a dual core chip is different...you can't just upgrade the to a new CPU.

I would heavily reccoment that if you can limp along with what you have no you do it...and save your ass off for a new computer.

My computer was APG only...so that made it a little worse...But trying to drag the old computer along into the future will just have you buy part after part until you realize its hopeless.

If your mother board doesn't take DDR2 ram, any ram you buy you will be throwing out once you realize you want to upgrade further and change the MB...I guess ram is getting cheap enough that this isn't as bad as when I had to throw away the  2gig I just paid over $100 for but still...

You have the video card and a case... A motherboard is ~$100, and CPU is ~$250...Then you will only have to buy ram once, and you computer will kick so much more ass it will be rediculous. Giving up on the old P4 machine for an E6600, with DDR2 ram was just something I regreted not doing before I spent so much energy (& money) on the old machine.
2008-04-07 14:07:25
Brasso
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Bradt3hleader wrote:

Because I know friends telling me it's not.
your "friends" are wrong
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2008-04-07 14:39:58
02fxnmaurer
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cpu bottleneck....1gb of ram is fine
2008-04-07 17:26:50
CommieChipmunk
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Bradt3hleader wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bradt3hleader wrote:

So what CPU should I get?   BTW how can you prove it's bottlenecking? Because I know friends telling me it's not.
If you're going to ask for help, stop second-guessing everything, or just ask your friends. RAM's the biggest issue here, but you could use a better CPU if you want to see justice done for your 8800GT. Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.
Ok so I'll get more RAM...this week. Thanks


And I'll save up for another CPU.


I've spent over 4000 francs doing upgrades and shit to my PC. And of course I could have goten two good gaming PCs for that but my parents don't see it that way.

....I'm going to yell so foking loud....
wait, if you have a P4, do you have DDR ram or DDR2 ram.  Because if you're planning on upgrading to core 2 duo eventually, you'll have to buy a new motherboard and DDR2 ram anyway (assuming you have DDR) so you're essentially throwing money away if you get DDR ram now.
2008-04-07 18:49:14
Scorpion0x17
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Bradt3hleader - as you may have already gathered, you've got two problems - lack of RAM and a lowly CPU - upgrade one and you'll not see all that much improvement until you upgrade the other.

If your mobo will take a Core2, then I'd go that route first. Then, when you can, get more/better RAM (and possibly a new mobo (to, as Chipmunk says, make use of DDR2)).

 

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