BF2S Forums Will Islam Take Over Europe?

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

What do you want huh?  You want me to cut and paste articles from the bbc or something?  You know what appeasement I am talking about.  I do not need theories when what is already happening has been posted before on this forum.

I would really rather you didn't paste segments from random incidences of 'appeasement' as it would prove nothing...if on the other hand you can draw from all these examples and put forward a way in which these incidences might lead to Europe getting rid of it's Government systems in favour of Shariah Law then please go ahead. Okay, so they've got the prayer rooms and they're allowed to pray during the working day, what happens next...

There's a huge difference between providing a prayer room in a German university to getting rid of Western style democratic Government in favour of Shariah Government.

Besides, that's Lowing's job, isn't it?

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Well how about you give us some numbers then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europe

I knew the numbers were low, but not that low.

Anyway usmarine, prove that it will happen.

Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population

Europe's Muslim population (without Russia) has nearly tripled over the last 30 years

This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005.[14] Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one



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You prove that it wont.

Kmarion wrote:

Identity politics is worldwide. Don't fool yourself.

American politics is pretty cut throat. Obama's gain in popularity came after the shameless accusations of a Muslim background. The majority of Americans saw through the transparent and empty attacks.

Talks about christianity here - not a word.
buddhism - not a word.
any other religion - not a single word.

Islam only came in the spotlights with the dawn of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. That's the ONLY religion we're talking about right now, and to tell you the truth religion in america matters a whole lot more than over here, as does race. The fact that there is a documentary being made by CNN over wether race matters in american politics already proves that point. The fact that muslims wouldn't stand a chance in a presidential race also proves that it matters more over there.

Even so, we're not giving up our constitutions and rights just to appease Islam. Right now we're just making sure muslims in our own countries aren't going to make any rows while we're bussy trying to track down the muslims in the middle east, also - offending a religion which plays a fundemental role in countries which you are fighting is a very stupid idea.

usmarine wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europe

I knew the numbers were low, but not that low.

Anyway usmarine, prove that it will happen.

Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population

Europe's Muslim population (without Russia) has nearly tripled over the last 30 years

This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005.[14] Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one



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You prove that it wont.

25% ...wow, that might even be enough to form a coalition Government.

You know what tends to happen when a society becomes more affluent and content usmarine... birth rates drop. Having 20 kids is probably the norm back in the homeland and these customs and conventions will no doubt carry on for a time after moving to a Western nation but the fact is with normal integration and a rise in living standards as compared with back home these birth rates will in all likelihood begin to level off. A young Muslim raised in the West and exposed to Western culture and conventions will have less desire to rush out and get married and have a million kids...take our old friend M3thod, a 'Westernised Muslim', how many kids did he have?

usmarine wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europe

I knew the numbers were low, but not that low.

Anyway usmarine, prove that it will happen.

Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population

Europe's Muslim population (without Russia) has nearly tripled over the last 30 years

This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005.[14] Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one



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You prove that it wont.

Well, muslims that come over here aren't die hard followers of their religion / Shar'ia law. They come here to flee those things, while still being able to practice their religion >in peace<. The birth rate among second generation or third generation muslims is alot lower than that of the first, also - the birth rate in places where living conditions are alot better is alot lower. Those who want to make european countries Islamic countries are a huge minority, they make up barely 0.01%. But they're still going against our law stating freedom of religion. It won't happen.

Graphs made on long term are somewhat untrustworthy. You can't predict the future, and it's especially hard in subjects like these - times change quickly, and with that situations drastically.

usmarine wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europe

I knew the numbers were low, but not that low.

Anyway usmarine, prove that it will happen.

Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population

Europe's Muslim population (without Russia) has nearly tripled over the last 30 years

This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005.[14] Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one



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You prove that it wont.

No, you prove that it will, your using an estimate that i could have done.

dayarath wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Identity politics is worldwide. Don't fool yourself.

American politics is pretty cut throat. Obama's gain in popularity came after the shameless accusations of a Muslim background. The majority of Americans saw through the transparent and empty attacks.

Talks about christianity here - not a word.
buddhism - not a word.
any other religion - not a single word.
Islam only came in the spotlights with the dawn of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. That's the ONLY religion we're talking about right now, and to tell you the truth religion in america matters a whole lot more than over here, as does race. The fact that there is a documentary being made by CNN over wether race matters in american politics already proves that point. The fact that muslims wouldn't stand a chance in a presidential race also proves that it matters more over there.

Even so, we're not giving up our constitutions and rights just to appease Islam. Right now we're just making sure muslims in our own countries aren't going to make any rows while we're bussy trying to track down the muslims in the middle east, also - offending a religion which plays a fundemental role in countries which you are fighting is a very stupid idea.

You miss the point. If anything these vague attacks on religion have opened more eyes to the insignificance of it. Just because you see them being reported overseas it does not necessarily mean it has effected popular opinion. During election season the news will report the smallest of controversies, irregardless of it's relevance. I suggest you form your opinion around common sense and not CNN.

Braddock wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population

Europe's Muslim population (without Russia) has nearly tripled over the last 30 years

This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005.[14] Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one



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You prove that it wont.

No, you prove that it will, your using an estimate that i could have done.

He doesn't even provide a link.

Maybe he made it up. Maybe its a scam.

Last edited by Bf2-GeneralArnott (2008-04-07 11:05:55)

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

He doesn't even provide a link.

hey you three idiots.  if you read serge's link.....which you obviously didn't, then you would see that.

Three?

usmarine wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

your using an estimate that i could have done.

Well go blame wiki or dont let people post wiki.  either way.

Where's your link to what Professor Bigdick said?

jord wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

He doesn't even provide a link.

hey you three idiots.  if you read serge's link.....which you obviously didn't, then you would see that.

Three?

serge, general, and brad.  or anyone else who cannot read.

usmarine wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine wrote:

god will you two shut up with that shit.  All this will become is a lowing vs Cam&Co thread now.  GJ

You two who?  BTW you didn't post a link and I offered real numbers not estimations by some random professor.

The numbers were from your link dummy.

Where the fuck in my link is professor Longpenis?