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2008-03-27 09:49:46
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7066|Your moms bedroom
Do you know where your passports are being made?

Heres a hint, its not in America

What a great way to stimulate the economy, lets outsource sensitve material to another country. With all the fuss all of the sudden up the presidential nominees having their passports breached... whatever the hell that means. Were just letting another COUNTRY make them!

Your tax dollars at work

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 … urcing.cnn

the more i think about this the more it infuriates me

what our technology isnt good enough?

we cant pay our citizens enough money to create/design something good enough?

we cant pay our factory workers enough money to help build and maintain facilities?

we cant pay people to protect and gaurd said facilities?

Last edited by Locoloki (2008-03-27 09:52:26)

2008-03-27 10:16:13
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7004|Columbus, OH
Outsourcing is a brainless move for CEOs to try to save the company money and pacify the stock holders. I say outsource upper-management.
Foreign CEO's make less than US CEO's....why not hire someone cheaper in the top echelon.

Last edited by loubot (2008-03-27 10:17:56)

2008-03-27 10:17:37
jord
Member
+2,382|7104|The North, beyond the wall.

loubot wrote:

Outsourcing is a brainless move for CEOs to try to save the company money and pacify the stock holders. I say outsource upper-management.
Generally companies try to make money...
2008-03-27 10:31:01
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7047|London, England
Piece of shit website crashed my browser. Haven't you guys heard of something called Youtube. It's what normal people use. It has a low rate of fucking things up and it's fast with streaming, hence why it's so popular. They should make it a rule or something.

About Outsourcing, It's what you get when you have so many rules and shit in a country. Business won't find it attractive so they go to places where it's cheaper. They just want to maximise profits. That's what you call freedom (or free market, or something, Idk I don't do business)

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-27 10:32:47)

2008-03-27 10:36:27
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7136|Sweden
Capitalism ftw.
2008-03-27 10:42:44
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6917|Northern California

Mek-Izzle wrote:

About Outsourcing, It's what you get when you have so many rules and shit in a country. Business won't find it attractive so they go to places where it's cheaper. They just want to maximise profits. That's what you call freedom (or free market, or something, Idk I don't do business)
Actually, after companies started off-shoring, the pro-corporation government that's been in power the last 8 years has made laws to protect, even encourage this anti-american corporate greed (and joblessness) by giving breaks to off-shore US businesses instead of penalizing them.

Freedom for corporations at the cost of patriotism and lost US jobs?  How American is it for haliburton to move to Dubai (where there's no extradition) after they, through KBR, have sucked up $16 billion in no-bid contracts?  How american is it to have Old Navy sell their annual 4th of July tshirts made in sweat shops in the mariana's?  Are you suggesting capitalism trumps patriotism?
2008-03-27 10:43:33
GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7211|Anaheim, CA

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Piece of shit website crashed my browser. Haven't you guys heard of something called Youtube. It's what normal people use. It has a low rate of fucking things up and it's fast with streaming, hence why it's so popular. They should make it a rule or something.
They probably outsource their hosting
2008-03-27 10:47:42
jord
Member
+2,382|7104|The North, beyond the wall.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

About Outsourcing, It's what you get when you have so many rules and shit in a country. Business won't find it attractive so they go to places where it's cheaper. They just want to maximise profits. That's what you call freedom (or free market, or something, Idk I don't do business)
Actually, after companies started off-shoring, the pro-corporation government that's been in power the last 8 years has made laws to protect, even encourage this anti-american corporate greed (and joblessness) by giving breaks to off-shore US businesses instead of penalizing them.

Freedom for corporations at the cost of patriotism and lost US jobs?  How American is it for haliburton to move to Dubai (where there's no extradition) after they, through KBR, have sucked up $16 billion in no-bid contracts?  How american is it to have Old Navy sell their annual 4th of July tshirts made in sweat shops in the mariana's?  Are you suggesting capitalism trumps patriotism?
I'm patriotic about my own country. One thing I will never understand is why Americans have such a big problem with outsourcing. So you're flag got made in China... So what, it's probably cheaper.
2008-03-27 10:49:02
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069

jord wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

About Outsourcing, It's what you get when you have so many rules and shit in a country. Business won't find it attractive so they go to places where it's cheaper. They just want to maximise profits. That's what you call freedom (or free market, or something, Idk I don't do business)
Actually, after companies started off-shoring, the pro-corporation government that's been in power the last 8 years has made laws to protect, even encourage this anti-american corporate greed (and joblessness) by giving breaks to off-shore US businesses instead of penalizing them.

Freedom for corporations at the cost of patriotism and lost US jobs?  How American is it for haliburton to move to Dubai (where there's no extradition) after they, through KBR, have sucked up $16 billion in no-bid contracts?  How american is it to have Old Navy sell their annual 4th of July tshirts made in sweat shops in the mariana's?  Are you suggesting capitalism trumps patriotism?
I'm patriotic about my own country. One thing I will never understand is why Americans have such a big problem with outsourcing. So you're flag got made in China... So what, it's probably cheaper.
employment problems.  keeping money in the economy.  that sort of thing.
2008-03-27 10:50:43
jord
Member
+2,382|7104|The North, beyond the wall.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:


Actually, after companies started off-shoring, the pro-corporation government that's been in power the last 8 years has made laws to protect, even encourage this anti-american corporate greed (and joblessness) by giving breaks to off-shore US businesses instead of penalizing them.

Freedom for corporations at the cost of patriotism and lost US jobs?  How American is it for haliburton to move to Dubai (where there's no extradition) after they, through KBR, have sucked up $16 billion in no-bid contracts?  How american is it to have Old Navy sell their annual 4th of July tshirts made in sweat shops in the mariana's?  Are you suggesting capitalism trumps patriotism?
I'm patriotic about my own country. One thing I will never understand is why Americans have such a big problem with outsourcing. So you're flag got made in China... So what, it's probably cheaper.
employment problems.  keeping money in the economy.  that sort of thing.
I guess that's where our cultures differ. I pay for my own shit, and I buy what's cheapest. Be it English made or Taiwan made.
2008-03-27 10:52:25
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7047|London, England
As long as you get:

Business wanting the biggest profit possible
Customers wanting the cheapest shit possible
Loads of rules/regulations/unions that make being an employer really crap in your own country (unless you go down the illegal path)
Business controlling the politics so that they're allowed to do this
Poorer Countries with relatively lower wages who do the job just as good without the bitching etc..

You're gonna get outsourcing. It's almost impossible to stop...imo.

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-27 10:52:49)

2008-03-27 10:55:07
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069

jord wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:


I'm patriotic about my own country. One thing I will never understand is why Americans have such a big problem with outsourcing. So you're flag got made in China... So what, it's probably cheaper.
employment problems.  keeping money in the economy.  that sort of thing.
I guess that's where our cultures differ. I pay for my own shit, and I buy what's cheapest. Be it English made or Taiwan made.
that money being spent on the chinese sweat shop worker could have been spent on an american citizen, thereby improving the employment rate and the economy.
2008-03-27 11:55:42
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6917|Northern California
yep, there's alot more to outsourcing than getting the cheapest price.

From an American perspective, having claimed the moral authority of the world in cracking down on civil rights abuse..when we're the ones employing slave labor and sweat shops..even in our own US territory (see tom delay, gap/old navy/banana republic, nike, etc).

When Honda shifted making their cars in Japan to the US, the prices didn't go up that much, nor did the repairs or maintenance costs (they're still high as hell, but unchanged proportionately).  We employed Americans, and we have an American minivan that is #1 for the last several years...and for an American car (honda oddyssey), it's very impressive (i normally think american cars suck).  If these vans were still made in japan...there'd be huge factories closed down and hundreds or thousands out of work.

Unemployment effects everyone.  Sure we're only at 5%, but the moral impact it causes is high.

Quality of service.  I don't need to mention China and their obvious record so i wont.  But lets look at the love we all have for talking to a language barrier induced fury we get when talking to customer service from many US companies via India.  Indians who seriously do NOT give a shit about our computer problems, our broken appliances, our internet service not working, etc.  They live in stucco homes on dirt roads, so why should they care if I can't stream a soccer game and get a porn fix for the day? (not what i do, but what they think)

GS is correct.  Stimulating OUR economy with OUR money is ALWAYS, always better.  The problem with people is they're selfish, or just not educated to know that everytime they shop at Walmart, they're fleecing their own country.  They think they're saving money by going to Walmart but they fail to realize they're not only giving China money for the sweatshops they run but they're paying for Walmart employees health care because Walmart doesn't give healthcare to probably 90% of their people...who go to the local county clinic..paid for with taxes.

Greedy capitalism = bad.
Responsible capitalism = good.
2008-03-27 12:41:55
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7058|949

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:


employment problems.  keeping money in the economy.  that sort of thing.
I guess that's where our cultures differ. I pay for my own shit, and I buy what's cheapest. Be it English made or Taiwan made.
that money being spent on the chinese sweat shop worker could have been spent on an american citizen, thereby improving the employment rate and the economy.
Plus the future effect it could (is having) have on our economy.  An economy (and well-being, security) of a country is tied directly to industry and manufacturing.  Outsourcing contributes to the decline in value of the dollar, and realistically makes our country less secure by relying on outside production and capital to keep it going, instead of becoming more self-sufficient.
2008-03-27 12:47:15
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7066|Your moms bedroom
well this wasnt really meant to be a discussion on outsourcing as it was meant to be OUR FREAKING NATIONAL SECURITY IS BEING TRUSTED WITH ANOTHER NATION. What happens if just 1 box of those chips goes missing? Do we have investigators standing by to lock down Thailands borders?

@MEK- deal with it, if cnn.com wants to upload all of its videos on youtube i would glady embed it for you

Last edited by Locoloki (2008-03-27 12:54:27)

2008-04-08 08:06:57
Marinejuana
local
+415|7011|Seattle

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:

I'm patriotic about my own country. One thing I will never understand is why Americans have such a big problem with outsourcing. So you're flag got made in China... So what, it's probably cheaper.
employment problems.  keeping money in the economy.  that sort of thing.
I guess that's where our cultures differ. I pay for my own shit, and I buy what's cheapest. Be it English made or Taiwan made.
that money being spent on the chinese sweat shop worker could have been spent on an american citizen, thereby improving the employment rate and the economy.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

jord wrote:


I guess that's where our cultures differ. I pay for my own shit, and I buy what's cheapest. Be it English made or Taiwan made.
that money being spent on the chinese sweat shop worker could have been spent on an american citizen, thereby improving the employment rate and the economy.
Plus the future effect it could (is having) have on our economy.  An economy (and well-being, security) of a country is tied directly to industry and manufacturing.  Outsourcing contributes to the decline in value of the dollar, and realistically makes our country less secure by relying on outside production and capital to keep it going, instead of becoming more self-sufficient.

 

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