Obama calls for talks with Iran over Iraq

2008-04-09 03:22:20

#26

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6806|MN

FEOS wrote:
Dialogue does not equate to appeasement. I'm sure Ronny wasn't all "that's a sweet tie you've got, Gorby...can I wear it sometime" when they were talking. If Obama's dialogue consists of "We know you are supplying these specific weapons and this specific training and these specific members of QF are doing it...and we will kill them and show the world your complicity in this insurgency if it doesn't stop yesterday" then there's some hope. If he just asks Ahmanutjob where he gets his cool shirts and can we pretty please be BFF...then not so much.

From what I have seen we will get the latter.

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2008-04-09 04:00:41

#27

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6981

FEOS wrote:
Dialogue does not equate to appeasement. I'm sure Ronny wasn't all "that's a sweet tie you've got, Gorby...can I wear it sometime" when they were talking. If Obama's dialogue consists of "We know you are supplying these specific weapons and this specific training and these specific members of QF are doing it...and we will kill them and show the world your complicity in this insurgency if it doesn't stop yesterday" then there's some hope. If he just asks Ahmanutjob where he gets his cool shirts and can we pretty please be BFF...then not so much.

Give him some credit. He's not a moron.

2008-04-09 04:02:12

#28

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7267|Cologne, Germany

I don't know why anyone would rule out talks with Iran to find a peaceful resolution of the matter. If you don't talk to the other guys, how are you gonna reach a solution ? isn't that what diplomacy is for ? Find a peaceful solution for a difficult situation that would otherwise have to be settled militarily ?

Or is the US not even interested in finding a peaceful solution in the first place ? Because that's the impression one might get.

2008-04-09 04:18:38

#29

san4: The Mas; +311|7114|NYC, a place to live

As I asked earlier in this thread, what should we talk to Iran about?

We've got nothing to offer them.

2008-04-09 04:54:15

#30

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|7111|United States of America

Were I in the fancy $1000 shoes of a US leader, I'd go talk to Iran as well. The price of not doing so outweighs what can be gained. Besides, if people are convinced that Iran is supporting the insurgency and creating WMDs already, what is there to lose?

2008-04-09 04:55:18

#31

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6981

san4 wrote:
As I asked earlier in this thread, what should we talk to Iran about?
We've got nothing to offer them.

Parity of esteem. Facilitating the stabilisation of Iraq. Facilitating the stablisation of Afghanistan. Addressing the Palestine problem. Trading oil in euros. Embargoes. Energy policy. Peak oil. Atonement for past altercations (on both sides). Hisb'allah. Nuclear ambitions.

If the US attack Iran before even talking to them then frankly the US will very definitely be the bad guys. That would be just plain ignorant.

PS What did you have to offer the USSR? How does this differ? Both issues centre around ideological differences.

2008-04-09 05:29:55

#32

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I never thought this place would be so full of stupidity.

Am i stupid because i'm starting to like Obama?

2008-04-09 06:01:31

#33

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6968|Texas - Bigger than France

CameronPoe wrote:
God forbid anyone should talk. I mean it's not like Ronald Reagan ever spoke to the USSR.

http://www.state.gov/cms_images/5gorbac … n1_600.jpg

That's only because Gorby likes westerns, and Ronnie was an actor.

It's foolish not to include Iran in everything related to the ME. That includes peace and war.

And I'd bet they are already talking with Iran.

2008-04-09 06:25:07

#34

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

BN wrote:
ATG wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/story?id=4612088&page=1
and whats this?

U just going to post a link and not comment on how it fits in with this discussion?

Click the link dooffuss and it would explain itself.

2008-04-09 06:34:41

#35

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

AutralianChainsaw wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I never thought this place would be so full of stupidity.
Am i stupid because i'm starting to like Obama?

youre just stupid. youve been stupid. i dont care who you like. youre a moron. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.

2008-04-09 07:09:48

#36

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7194

Wasn't the Cuban missile crisis a great success of diplomacy...it does work.

U dont lose face or power. Its just using ur brain.

2008-04-09 07:12:13

#37

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

you could say Carter's Détente was an utter failure

2008-04-09 07:12:44

#38

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7194

ATG wrote:
BN wrote:
ATG wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/story?id=4612088&page=1
and whats this?

U just going to post a link and not comment on how it fits in with this discussion?
Click the link dooffuss and it would explain itself.

clicked...didn't really add weight to the topic.

2008-04-09 07:12:52

#39

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I never thought this place would be so full of stupidity.
Am i stupid because i'm starting to like Obama?
youre just stupid. youve been stupid. i dont care who you like. youre a moron. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.

Name calling again.. man you really have a problem haha

i think that you are the stupid guy.. you support the war and want to kill all arabs but you voted for the guy who seems to be the only one who want to stop the war and talk with your enemies.

You chose to vote for the guy because you saw a cool video of different artists saying they like him but you have no idea of his stances on major issues.

You are an uneducated moron. Pack your bags and go back to Iraq to kill the ones who did 911 you stupid fuck.

Yes you can

2008-04-09 07:14:24

#40

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

no u

2008-04-09 07:24:03

#41

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I never thought this place would be so full of stupidity.
Am i stupid because i'm starting to like Obama?
youre just stupid. youve been stupid. i dont care who you like. youre a moron. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.

about as true as truth can be

2008-04-09 07:26:22

#42

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

he hasnt figured it out yet

2008-04-09 07:28:33

#43

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
no u

ok you win

2008-04-09 07:29:56

#44

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

I won years ago.

2008-04-09 07:30:17

#45

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

usmarine wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Am i stupid because i'm starting to like Obama?
youre just stupid. youve been stupid. i dont care who you like. youre a moron. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.
about as true as truth can be

Oh he's back.. gunslinger favorite butt buddy.

Are you going back to Iraq "together" ?

2008-04-09 07:39:12

#46

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6716|Éire

Part of me almost hopes Iran develop nuclear weapons, it might create a bit of balance and stability in the region...seen as the idea of all nations getting rid of all nuclear weapons is about as realistic as Harry Potter becoming the next US President.

2008-04-09 08:01:26

#47

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Are you going back to Iraq "together" ?

Nah...... so did you remember your monthly donation for hamas? How is the hitler youth camp doing these days?

2008-04-09 08:31:06

#48

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

usmarine wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Are you going back to Iraq "together" ?
Nah...... so did you remember your monthly donation for hamas? How is the hitler youth camp doing these days?

Bah hamas will never get another dollar from me, they are just a bunch of terrorists.. i switched to Hezbollah, a lot more effective and at least they are targeting the IDF.

And the camp feel emply since you left.. we are all waiting for your return.

2008-04-09 08:53:05

#49

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6649|Escea

Braddock wrote:
Part of me almost hopes Iran develop nuclear weapons, it might create a bit of balance and stability in the region...seen as the idea of all nations getting rid of all nuclear weapons is about as realistic as Harry Potter becoming the next US President.

Why does it have to be fair in terms of armaments in that region? Iran has no need to use nukes as a deterrant, reason being the Israeli's have never used nukes in the decades they've had them, even during times when their country was under grave threat. This isn't like Pakistan vs India.

If you want the world to be fair, give nukes to every country and every terrorist group, you know so they have equal firepower to balance it all out and create some stability.

2008-04-09 09:06:13

#50

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6624

M.O.A.B wrote:
Iran has no need to use nukes as a deterrant.

Iran need nukes as a deterrant against the United States and Israel who keep threatning to bomb them.

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