RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7134|US

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

What about the Naval Academy or the Air Force Academy? Any thoughts on that avenue?

HurricaИe wrote:

apply to the USAFA Poseidon. What's the worst that could happen... ya don't get accepted?
United States Naval Academy:

I've seen a show on the military academies. You need to be like the quarterback of your football team, have a 4.0 average, have a dad with a LOT of money and have connections to get in. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but it's nearly impossible for someone like me to get in. I had thought about applying, but in all honesty it'd be a waste of my time and money considering it's 50 bucks for an application.
Partially true.  1.  Yes, they are difficult to get into.  The average student had a 3.85GPA (usually honors, AP, or IB classes).  About 90% lettered in a HS sport (doesn't necessarily mean they were great). 

NO, you do NOT need to be rich or have connections.  Most cadets/midshipmen are not rich and do not have connections.  AFAIK, there is no fee for the application...at least not when I applied in '06

__________________
There are usually just over 1,000pilot slots AF wide, per year.  About 500 go to USAFA, 500 to AFROTC, then the rest go to OTS, etc.

If you want to be an Air Force pilot, you MUST have a degree before pilot training.  Only officers can be pilots, and only college grads can be officers.  Also, realize that there is a 10yr commitment after you pin on your wings.
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6755|Oregon
college first.
mcjagdflieger
Champion of Dueling Rectums
+26|6730|South Jersey

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mcjagdflieger wrote:

I didn't really read through this thread, so i dont know whate else you've heard, but I do have, perhaps slightly valuable input to your dilemma. I went to riddle, was in their AFROTC, and am open to answering a few questions. I'll start off with a few basics.  Only officers fly in the AF(someone correct me if im wrong, its happened before). I highly highly suggest if you go the ROTC route, you try it through an aeronautical engineering degree.  the AF does not give two fucks how many hours in a cessna you have, they need someone who is a math wiz and can jack off an F-16's computer systems with their eyes closed.  grades mean everything, your flight time means nothing. being an outstanding scholar and excelling in the ROTC program are the only things that matter to them. this is not to say you cannot do it with a BA in Aeronautical Science(professional pilot), you just better have god damn awesome grades to compete with the 350 aero engis and 75 other pilots who want the same thing you do...one of about 20 pilot slots that generally come from riddle's AF rotc program. the AF only gives out about 50 pilot slots a year. the entire AF. the whole country. including all rotc units, the academy, everything. you need to be the best, the best on the books. not in the air. dont waste your money flying at riddle, the AF takes care of it for you. i hope this isnt discouraging, but they ( The AF) dont fuck around. they want the absolute best in their multi-million dollar planes. you should also seriously consider flying in another branch, or the Guard.  i "heard", meaning im not sure, that the marines will give you a test and tell you if they'll give you a pilot slot before you even start doing anything, so ask around, find out as much as you can. more questions? i'll answer what i can.
The numbers of pilot slots varies from year to year. Worst I ever saw was 50 pilot slots for ROTC, nation-wide, during the drawdown of the early 90's. There were like 40 nav slots nationwide (ROTC). There are FAR more than 50 UPT slots available every year, AF-wide. USAFA gets the majority of them, then ROTC/OTS, then active duty applicants. It all depends on how you do on the right parts of your AFOQT and the BAT. The flavor of your degree means the square root of fuckall when it comes to being selected for pilot training.
Yah, i'll be doing History/Journalism degrees and pilot/officer training lol....
no, but keep in mind ladies he was talking about going to embry riddle
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6938|Montucky

SEREMAKER wrote:

I would say ..................... go mustang


enlist, pick up your degree while your in and then go officer ................ you'll get more respect
That only works in the Marines dude.

The Air Force is the Rodney Dangerfield of the military.

They get no Respect.. from any of us.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6830|'Murka

S3v3N wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

I would say ..................... go mustang


enlist, pick up your degree while your in and then go officer ................ you'll get more respect
That only works in the Marines dude.

The Air Force is the Rodney Dangerfield of the military.

They get no Respect.. from any of us.
Until you need us. Then you are all like France...you're always there when you need us.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6774
It seems to me if your not REAL  sure, your not REAL ready. Wait till after school, a lot can change.

  Besides, would you really want to serve under a clinton if they win ?
R0lyP0ly
Member
+161|7073|USA

RAIMIUS wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

What about the Naval Academy or the Air Force Academy? Any thoughts on that avenue?

HurricaИe wrote:

apply to the USAFA Poseidon. What's the worst that could happen... ya don't get accepted?
United States Naval Academy:

I've seen a show on the military academies. You need to be like the quarterback of your football team, have a 4.0 average, have a dad with a LOT of money and have connections to get in. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but it's nearly impossible for someone like me to get in. I had thought about applying, but in all honesty it'd be a waste of my time and money considering it's 50 bucks for an application.
Partially true.  1.  Yes, they are difficult to get into.  The average student had a 3.85GPA (usually honors, AP, or IB classes).  About 90% lettered in a HS sport (doesn't necessarily mean they were great). 

NO, you do NOT need to be rich or have connections.  Most cadets/midshipmen are not rich and do not have connections.  AFAIK, there is no fee for the application...at least not when I applied in '06

__________________
There are usually just over 1,000pilot slots AF wide, per year.  About 500 go to USAFA, 500 to AFROTC, then the rest go to OTS, etc.

If you want to be an Air Force pilot, you MUST have a degree before pilot training.  Only officers can be pilots, and only college grads can be officers.  Also, realize that there is a 10yr commitment after you pin on your wings.
RAIMIUS is correct. There is no application fee, and you don't have to 'know people' to get in.

EDIT- name misspelled

I'm telling you, if you want to fly, you can do it much easier and much more often in the navy. Seriously. Why are you dead set on the AF?

Last edited by R0lyP0ly (2008-04-13 13:58:41)

RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7134|US
R0lyP0ly, what are you basing that on?
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6743|New Haven, CT
The lower standards of the Navy.

*cue inter service rivalries*

But in relation to the actual topic, I would highly recommend, Poseidon, that you listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about, such as those currently or formerly members of the air force.
imortal
Member
+240|7084|Austin, TX

R0lyP0ly wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


United States Naval Academy:

I've seen a show on the military academies. You need to be like the quarterback of your football team, have a 4.0 average, have a dad with a LOT of money and have connections to get in. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but it's nearly impossible for someone like me to get in. I had thought about applying, but in all honesty it'd be a waste of my time and money considering it's 50 bucks for an application.
Partially true.  1.  Yes, they are difficult to get into.  The average student had a 3.85GPA (usually honors, AP, or IB classes).  About 90% lettered in a HS sport (doesn't necessarily mean they were great). 

NO, you do NOT need to be rich or have connections.  Most cadets/midshipmen are not rich and do not have connections.  AFAIK, there is no fee for the application...at least not when I applied in '06

__________________
There are usually just over 1,000pilot slots AF wide, per year.  About 500 go to USAFA, 500 to AFROTC, then the rest go to OTS, etc.

If you want to be an Air Force pilot, you MUST have a degree before pilot training.  Only officers can be pilots, and only college grads can be officers.  Also, realize that there is a 10yr commitment after you pin on your wings.
RAIMIUS is correct. There is no application fee, and you don't have to 'know people' to get in.

EDIT- name misspelled

I'm telling you, if you want to fly, you can do it much easier and much more often in the navy. Seriously. Why are you dead set on the AF?
If I recall, it is either a requirement, or is looked very highly on one of two things: being the child of a graduate of that acadamy (USMA, USNA, USAFA) or have the recomendation of a member of Congress.

Last edited by imortal (2008-04-14 05:53:32)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6830|'Murka

imortal wrote:

If I recall, it is either a requirement, or is looked very highly on one of two things: being the child of a graduate of that acadamy (USMA, USNA, USAFA) or have the recomendation of a member of Congress.
It's actually if you're the child of an officer (not just graduates). If not, you have to have Congressional and (at least when I was pursuing it) a Vice Presidential nomination. Since my dad was enlisted, I had to got the more difficult route...but ultimately decided to go ROTC instead.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7134|US
Legacy (being a child of a grad) is a bonous, but nowhere near a requirement.

You do need a nomination from a Member of Congress or (not and) the VP...although there are special nominations for odd situations like children of MOH recipients.  Nominations are competitive applications.  Each member of congress has their own application process, interviews, etc.  Prior relationships/connections are not required, and most congressmen/congresswomen try hard to eliminate the possibility of nepotism/favoritism.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6830|'Murka

Looks like they've changed the requirement a bit since the late 80's. Regardless, the point is still the same: the requirements aren't quite as onerous as depicted.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6613|Schofield Barracks

lowing wrote:

College first. I promise.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6957|Long Island, New York
I bring this topic back again because I simply don't know anymore.

At this point, I'm leaning towards enlisting after high school and going to the CCAF to get my Bachelor's in Aeronautical Science. I started my first day of flight school today so I'm already on my way to my PPL, which'll help me VASTLY.

However, I don't know if I want to get that "college experience" or if it'd look better to airlines if I had a degree from Embry-Riddle instead of the CCAF. With the flight program I'm doing now, I'd walk into ER with 9 credits. That's a shitload for a freshman.

Any vets on the forum that can help - I'd really appreciate it.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-09-03 17:39:07)

13rin
Member
+977|6899
College then OCS, FTW.

You can't get those 7 years back and good god are they fun.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-09-03 17:41:42)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
jord
Member
+2,382|7097|The North, beyond the wall.
Be a minigun door gunner.

Pew pew pew pew
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6763|tropical regions of london

DBBrinson1 wrote:

College then OCS, FTW.

You can't get those 7 years back and good god are they fun.
Army was more fun and you shoot shit
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7181

I would do what my uncle did.  he was enlisted during the korean war.  got out and said fuck enlisted, officer is the way.  went to college.  got his commission and served three tours in Nam.  retired full bird colonel from the 101st.  then got a VP job for pinkerton securities.  now he lives off of two very fat pensions.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-09-03 17:56:59)

13rin
Member
+977|6899

God Save the Queen wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

College then OCS, FTW.

You can't get those 7 years back and good god are they fun.
Army was more fun and you shoot shit
I really can't argue or debate that.... .
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
cowami
OY, BITCHTITS!
+1,106|6709|Noo Yawk, Noo Yawk

ha, you can be a ROTC kid here and wear jeans and a t-shirt everyday

Last edited by cowami (2008-09-03 18:48:50)

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SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6960|Omaha, Nebraska!
College first.
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hi
+322|6785|California
I don't think he should go to college, if he doesn't even know if he should go to college first.
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+564|7133|Purplicious Wisconsin
I want military first, if Obama gets elected I won't be able to have either.

Last edited by War Man (2008-09-03 22:29:16)

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7186|UK

jord wrote:

Be a minigun door gunner.

Pew pew pew pew
lol my mate does that. Hes like a flight assistant or what ever, so he gets the chopper ready and things and then mounts the guns.

Poseidon, go to uni, seriously. Firstly you will grow up massively. Secondly you will learn a lot. Thirdly its shit loads of fun. Fourthly you will open up choices for you.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-09-04 08:42:51)

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