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2008-04-23 14:00:46
henno13
A generally unremarkable member
+230|6820|Belfast

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Death_Brinded_Pro wrote:

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

I don't care.
please say thats sarcasm....





if not... heartless bastard
Why would I care about some stupid animal? There are things going on in the world billions of times worse than some stupid dog.

djphetal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I may be the outsider here, but I, personally, find this incredibly artistic, and quite brilliant. As I said before, it's very sad, and certainly not ethical, but I find the "art" in this to be what you're seeing here.
Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement...
This guy has created an exhibit that has gained more exposure than anything like it for a while now. Whether intentional or not, he has rallied people against a common cause. And not only that, why are people so easily united against a relatively minor tragedy? It not only says something about the nature of people, it is practically a case study on the sociological impact that "cruelty" can have on a large population.

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.


ok...
your opinion

Last edited by henno13 (2008-04-23 14:02:12)

2008-04-23 14:07:53
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|7181|Germany

djphetal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I may be the outsider here, but I, personally, find this incredibly artistic, and quite brilliant. As I said before, it's very sad, and certainly not ethical, but I find the "art" in this to be what you're seeing here.
Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement...
This guy has created an exhibit that has gained more exposure than anything like it for a while now. Whether intentional or not, he has rallied people against a common cause. And not only that, why are people so easily united against a relatively minor tragedy? It not only says something about the nature of people, it is practically a case study on the sociological impact that "cruelty" can have on a large population.

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.
So, if I take a little baby from africa , only skin and bones, put it in an art gallery and let it starve to death, that´s cool in your book too ?

Or better lets take a 6 year old girl and let her get raped the whole day on display... that´s art too, right ?

I mean it creates "Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement... " Must be art then.

NO !

There is no creature on this planet who deserves to get hurt or die in the name of art.

Last edited by HellHead (2008-04-23 14:09:04)

2008-04-23 14:10:30
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

HellHead wrote:

djphetal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I may be the outsider here, but I, personally, find this incredibly artistic, and quite brilliant. As I said before, it's very sad, and certainly not ethical, but I find the "art" in this to be what you're seeing here.
Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement...
This guy has created an exhibit that has gained more exposure than anything like it for a while now. Whether intentional or not, he has rallied people against a common cause. And not only that, why are people so easily united against a relatively minor tragedy? It not only says something about the nature of people, it is practically a case study on the sociological impact that "cruelty" can have on a large population.

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.
So, if I take a little baby from africa , only skin and bones, put it in an art gallery and let it starve to death, that´s cool in your book too ?

Or better lets take a 6 year old girl and let her get raped the whole day on display... that´s art too, right.

NO !

There is no creature on this planet who deserves to get hurt or die in the name of art.
I wouldn't condone killing a human... nor raping one... in the name of art.
I wasn't saying that either.
Are you a member of PETA? Are you a vegetarian?
Animals and humans alike face far worse deaths than this, and while the act itself is not what I consider artistic, it's the reaction garnered from the masses which has turned this into "art."
2008-04-23 14:17:23
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|7181|Germany
I´m talking about ART here, not eating a steak at night.

And like I said, why is the starving baby diferent from the starving dog. You can even use the same excuse as this fucktard does
"In africa there are thousand of babys dieng each day, blablabla"

Same concept as for the dog.
And letting a feeling creature die is just wrong even if it triggers a reaction and then call it art.

The whole concept is just wrong !
Get it ?

Last edited by HellHead (2008-04-23 14:18:22)

2008-04-23 14:19:52
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6866|The Gem Saloon

djphetal wrote:

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.
if i met the artist, i would open his fucking stomach.
as hes trying to hold his guts in, i would put a piece of paper underneath to catch any entrails.

then, just as hes starting to fade away, i would remind him of the artistic value of what im doing, and then he will go knowing that he helped......whatever it is that these fruitcakes get from this.
2008-04-23 14:21:51
David.P
Banned
+649|6746
Tell me if he's gonna be in NYC.
2008-04-23 14:24:05
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

HellHead wrote:

The whole concept is just wrong !
Get it ?
No I don't "get it" because "wrong," "right," "art," "sad," etc. are all subjectively judged.
Killing this dog is different than killing a human because of a simple moral understanding. Yes, I find the life of a dog to be far more expendable than  that of a human. Does this make me evil? Of course not. Would you eat a human steak for dinner?
2008-04-23 14:28:25
tahadar
Sniper!!
+183|7210|Pakistan/England
modern art is such utter BS
2008-04-23 14:30:00
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6866|The Gem Saloon

djphetal wrote:

Does this make me evil?
no, just weird views.

i hope you dont have any pets.....
2008-04-23 14:32:43
i g
Banned
+876|6336|GA

that makes me fucking sick. i swear to god i would strangle that motherfucker if i ever saw him. eat shit and die you no good piece of fucking shit
2008-04-23 14:33:15
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6961|Gogledd Cymru

770093 My signature number.
2008-04-23 14:33:59
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6602|North Tonawanda, NY

djphetal wrote:

No I don't "get it" because "wrong," "right," "art," "sad," etc. are all subjectively judged.
Killing this dog is different than killing a human because of a simple moral understanding. Yes, I find the life of a dog to be far more expendable than  that of a human. Does this make me evil? Of course not. Would you eat a human steak for dinner?
It is obvious that human life is more valuable than animal life. 

This guy is raising awareness for the wild dog problem or whatever, but the issue I take is that he is the one starving that dog.  When you take an animal captive, you need to care for it.  If the dog were left to be wild, at least it could try to take care of itself by scavenging.

Art is in the eye of the beholder, yes, but needlessly torturing a creature is just cruel.
2008-04-23 14:34:53
Gooners
Wiki Contributor
+2,700|7104

SenorToenails wrote:

djphetal wrote:

No I don't "get it" because "wrong," "right," "art," "sad," etc. are all subjectively judged.
Killing this dog is different than killing a human because of a simple moral understanding. Yes, I find the life of a dog to be far more expendable than  that of a human. Does this make me evil? Of course not. Would you eat a human steak for dinner?
It is obvious that human life is more valuable than animal life.
To DJPhetal, that is.
2008-04-23 14:35:50
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6602|North Tonawanda, NY

Gooners wrote:

To DJPhetal, that is.
You would value the life of an animal over that of a human?
2008-04-23 14:37:39
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|7181|Germany

djphetal wrote:

HellHead wrote:

The whole concept is just wrong !
Get it ?
No I don't "get it" because "wrong," "right," "art," "sad," etc. are all subjectively judged.
Killing this dog is different than killing a human because of a simple moral understanding. Yes, I find the life of a dog to be far more expendable than  that of a human. Does this make me evil? Of course not. Would you eat a human steak for dinner?
No, it just proves that you never lived with any animals, like a cat or a dog, and know that they are bit more than just "animals".

SenorToenails wrote:

Gooners wrote:

To DJPhetal, that is.
You would value the life of an animal over that of a human?
As long as they are capable of feeling pain they are at least equal.

(And don´t give me shit about the steak on my plate, cows and alike are bread for food and killed fast and painless,
they are not starved to death)

Last edited by HellHead (2008-04-23 14:41:41)

2008-04-23 14:39:16
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6866|The Gem Saloon

SenorToenails wrote:

Gooners wrote:

To DJPhetal, that is.
You would value the life of an animal over that of a human?
yep....plenty of em....i would kill 100 hitlers or stalins instead of one dog.

thats just me though...im sure phetal would disagree......
2008-04-23 14:40:06
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

Parker wrote:

no, just weird views.

i hope you dont have any pets.....
I do. I have a rabbit, I have also had a dog, 3 cats, and numerous rats. I loved them all, especially my dog Maggie. I, personally, would never kill an animal for artistic purposes... except a fly or mosquito or something else... but... yeah, maybe I can't explain it entirely... but that's what makes art what it is. To each their own. I don't disagree with signing the petition. You all have the right to do it, and should stand up for what you believe, as I am right now. If this guy gets shut down, then that proves something awesome about the power of human unity and compassion.

Although... I would like to know the thoughts of someone who supports the War in Iraq (or any war for that matter), and is opposed to this.
2008-04-23 14:41:53
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6602|North Tonawanda, NY

Parker wrote:

yep....plenty of em....i would kill 100 hitlers or stalins instead of one dog.

thats just me though...im sure phetal would disagree......
OK, so a dog's life is worth more than Hitler's.  I would be hard pressed to disagree.  But, who would you save in the event of a fire?  Your best friend or your dog?  How about a coworker or your cat?
2008-04-23 14:44:05
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6866|The Gem Saloon

SenorToenails wrote:

Parker wrote:

yep....plenty of em....i would kill 100 hitlers or stalins instead of one dog.

thats just me though...im sure phetal would disagree......
OK, so a dog's life is worth more than Hitler's.  I would be hard pressed to disagree.  But, who would you save in the event of a fire?  Your best friend or your dog?  How about a coworker or your cat?
my dog.....my best friend should be able to get out of the fire like i did.
opposable thumbs FTW!!!!!!
2008-04-23 14:44:23
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

HellHead wrote:

No, it just proves that you never lived with any animals, like a cat or a dog, and know that they are bit more than just "animals".


(And don´t give me shit about the steak on my plate, cows and alike are bread for food and killed fast and painless,
they are not starved to death)
Wrong, read above. I have loved my pets and definitely love animals.

I won't give you shit. I love meat. It's great. I'm just pointing out a relatively common point about selective compassion that exists in nearly everyone, myself included.
2008-04-23 14:46:05
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6602|North Tonawanda, NY

HellHead wrote:

As long as they are capable of feeling pain they are at least equal.
Do you ever use rat poison?  Mouse traps?

HellHead wrote:

(And don´t give me shit about the steak on my plate, cows and alike are bread for food and killed fast and painless,
they are not starved to death)
I wouldn't give you shit about that.  I love steak, and I think that cows ought to be eaten but slaughtered humanely, like you said.

But, I wouldn't put the life of my cat (who I love dearly) above that of my fiancee, friends, or even my neighbors.
2008-04-23 14:47:28
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

Parker wrote:

my dog.....my best friend should be able to get out of the fire like i did.
opposable thumbs FTW!!!!!!
Talk about "weird views..."
You're arguing semantics... the point is that if you were placed in a situation where you had to choose between saving a dog and a human... which would you pick?
If you chose the dog, I think you would receive quite a bit of ill will.
2008-04-23 14:48:00
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6602|North Tonawanda, NY

Parker wrote:

my dog.....my best friend should be able to get out of the fire like i did.
opposable thumbs FTW!!!!!!
They are both unconscious.  What then?

I know these hypotheticals are unrealistic, but they are meant to make you think.

Edit:  Also see djphetal's post above.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-23 14:48:46)

2008-04-23 14:50:23
Klinka-Klinko
NIKE Swoosh
+101|6692|cs_connecticut‬‭
I signed. That bastard deserves prison.
771192
2008-04-23 14:57:02
Spider1980
#1 Commander
+92|7013|Washington
771545. 

Comments:
Any excuse to torture animals and get away with it? We all know that it will be banned, so how many more animals need to die this way before that happens?

 

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