cowami
OY, BITCHTITS!
+1,106|6761|Noo Yawk, Noo Yawk

djphetal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I may be the outsider here, but I, personally, find this incredibly artistic, and quite brilliant. As I said before, it's very sad, and certainly not ethical, but I find the "art" in this to be what you're seeing here.
Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement...
This guy has created an exhibit that has gained more exposure than anything like it for a while now. Whether intentional or not, he has rallied people against a common cause. And not only that, why are people so easily united against a relatively minor tragedy? It not only says something about the nature of people, it is practically a case study on the sociological impact that "cruelty" can have on a large population.

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.
I can see what phetal's saying, in that the art is meant to be the reactions toward this, rather than the actual killing of the dog itself.

That being said, however, letting a dog starve to death is not cool.
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Lynx14
Member
+41|6442
If that guy comes near my dog i'll stab his ass

https://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8070/dcp1552nj5.jpg

What kind of sick bastard starves a dog to death and then calls it art?
Rubix-Cubes
Member
+123|7127|UK
no matter what your argument THIS IS NOT ART, there is no possible way you can call this art, this is a man trying to make a buck and get him self fame, i am sure that he does not give a shit about what happens to all those dogs that are starving and alone, you try to take the argument about us eating a nice steak as being the same, you're so so wrong, cows and other animals are bread for the purpose of eating, that dog was Humiliated and tortured for the sake of what you call art, if however any meat i ate was tortured in that way then i would not eat meat, that's why i eat free range eggs and chicken and anything else. WHAT that guy should have done is made a vid took some pics of the dog before, then took it in and cared for him then a few months later took some pics and a vid when the dog was healthy and cared for, then placed them in the art gallery, that would have made an impact too.  OK so he has done a good job of highlighting a serious problem, but bringing it to the forefront of conversation does not solve the problem, in my mind all this guy has done is put him self on my list of dead men walking.
MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6666|Schofield Barracks
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i signed it.
bastard.
how could no one do anything to help the dog?
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6807|Oregon

Rubix-Cubes wrote:

no matter what your argument THIS IS NOT ART, there is no possible way you can call this art, this is a man trying to make a buck and get him self fame, i am sure that he does not give a shit about what happens to all those dogs that are starving and alone, you try to take the argument about us eating a nice steak as being the same, you're so so wrong, cows and other animals are bread for the purpose of eating, that dog was Humiliated and tortured for the sake of what you call art, if however any meat i ate was tortured in that way then i would not eat meat, that's why i eat free range eggs and chicken and anything else. WHAT that guy should have done is made a vid took some pics of the dog before, then took it in and cared for him then a few months later took some pics and a vid when the dog was healthy and cared for, then placed them in the art gallery, that would have made an impact too.  OK so he has done a good job of highlighting a serious problem, but bringing it to the forefront of conversation does not solve the problem, in my mind all this guy has done is put him self on my list of dead men walking.
art is subjective.
period, end of discussion.
Tumleren
Member
+6|6858|Denmark
I think I'm in the middle of 'you guys' and djphetal.

I can see how he has brought attention to the fact that we are treating animals poorly, and that stuff like this happens every day. I'm not saying I'm going to go out and starve a dog, I would never ever do that, nor do i condone his way of expressing what he wanted out.
I personally think he should have just followed a dog around in the open, shot video, taken pictures of it etc. until it died from starvation. Even though he is effectively doing the same, he gets a totally different reaction from people when taking the dog into a gallery, and I'm guessing that's why he has done it the way he has - And apparently it worked.

I have signed the petition though, because i think it will be completely pointless to repeat this act of animal cruelty - It has a weak defense the first time, but in my opinion, there is absolutely no reason to let another dog die of starvation in a gallery, chained to the walls with dozens of people watching.

And about the people > animal question - I think every person in here would save his/her mother rather than his/her dog, if they had to choose. That doesn't make this okay though.

And why would you take a child from africa to a gallery to starve to death? Firstly, there's the question of ethics - From a public point of view, people ARE more valuable than animals, and so he would never be allowed to starve a child to death. Second, we are well aware of the famine down there, we see it almost every day; civil wars because of people starving, food being delivered and fought over, etc. In the middle of all our wars and international politics, we forget the everyday problems we have at home, the starving dogs being only one example.

Just my two cents on this

Last edited by Tumleren (2008-04-23 16:15:18)

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Gooners
Wiki Contributor
+2,700|7104

Tumleren wrote:

I think I'm in the middle of 'you guys' and djphetal.

I can see how he has brought attention to the fact that we are treating animals poorly, and that stuff like this happens every day. I'm not saying I'm going to go out and starve a dog, I would never ever do that, nor do i condone his way of expressing what he wanted out.
I personally think he should have just followed a dog around, shot video, taken pictures of it etc. until it died from starvation. Even though he is effectively doing the same, he gets a totally different reaction from people when taking the dog into a gallery, and I'm guessing that's why he has done it the way he has.

I have signed the petition though, because i think it will be completely pointless to repeat this act of animal cruelty - It has a weak defense the first time, but in my opinion, there is absolutely no reason to let another dog die of starvation in a gallery, chained to the walls with dozens of people watching.

And about the people > animal question - I think every person in here would save his/her mother rather than his/her dog, if they had to choose. That doesn't make this okay though.
either way, he wouldst had the power to save the animal, but he wouldn't
Tumleren
Member
+6|6858|Denmark

Gooners wrote:

Tumleren wrote:

I think I'm in the middle of 'you guys' and djphetal.

I can see how he has brought attention to the fact that we are treating animals poorly, and that stuff like this happens every day. I'm not saying I'm going to go out and starve a dog, I would never ever do that, nor do i condone his way of expressing what he wanted out.
I personally think he should have just followed a dog around, shot video, taken pictures of it etc. until it died from starvation. Even though he is effectively doing the same, he gets a totally different reaction from people when taking the dog into a gallery, and I'm guessing that's why he has done it the way he has.

I have signed the petition though, because i think it will be completely pointless to repeat this act of animal cruelty - It has a weak defense the first time, but in my opinion, there is absolutely no reason to let another dog die of starvation in a gallery, chained to the walls with dozens of people watching.

And about the people > animal question - I think every person in here would save his/her mother rather than his/her dog, if they had to choose. That doesn't make this okay though.
either way, he wouldst had the power to save the animal, but he wouldn't
How many stray dogs do you see in a week? How many does everybody in here see in a week? Each and every one of us have the power to save at least one of those dogs, yet we don't. We have excuses, we need time, we need space, we dont want a dog etc.
I think this is one of the points he is trying to make - We all have the chance to save them, yet the major part of us dont.
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SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|6446|England

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N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6403|Somewhere out in Space
Petitions dont change people.

Guns do.

And cats>dogs.

https://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x197/zergrushkeke/IMG_0021.jpg

the young one

https://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x197/zergrushkeke/IMG_0005.jpg

But fuck if this happens near me im grabbing the enfield.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6940
I agree, what he is doing is wrong however there are more important things. People make posts about War and Disaster and there is no where near as much out-cry than for some stupid dog thread. I find your concern for some stupid animal more disgusting than what this guy is doing. People are more important than animals, 1 person is more important that 100 animals.

Not only that but all of you do things that contribute to the deaths of animals, eating meat, driving cars, using the PC, eating wheat-products, swatting flies et cetera.

So quit bitching over some stupid dog and find something really important to get angry over.
Tumleren
Member
+6|6858|Denmark

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

I agree, what he is doing is wrong however there are more important things. People make posts about War and Disaster and there is no where near as much out-cry than for some stupid dog thread. I find your concern for some stupid animal more disgusting than what this guy is doing. People are more important than animals, 1 person is more important that 100 animals.

Not only that but all of you do things that contribute to the deaths of animals, eating meat, driving cars, using the PC, eating wheat-products, swatting flies et cetera.

So quit bitching over some stupid dog and find something really important to get angry over.
It's because we can't relate to 100 afghans dying in a suicide bombing - It's all the way around the globe, and unless we have family there, we dont really care that much.
Dogs, however, is very close to us.  People love them, and consider them a true member of a family, and so, people are outraged to hear of things like these happening. And this is also what is great about the art-piece (because since it's apparently a hoax, it (in my mind) is a great work of art) - It forces us to put things in perspective, which is probably also why he chose a dog, and not just some pics of dying africans. We can relate to it, and the fact that we can relate to dogs, but not other people makes us think about the africans and how we just forget about them, and focuse on (cynically) stupid things like dogs dying.
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Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7238|UK

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

I agree, what he is doing is wrong however there are more important things. People make posts about War and Disaster and there is no where near as much out-cry than for some stupid dog thread. I find your concern for some stupid animal more disgusting than what this guy is doing. People are more important than animals, 1 person is more important that 100 animals.

Not only that but all of you do things that contribute to the deaths of animals, eating meat, driving cars, using the PC, eating wheat-products, swatting flies et cetera.

So quit bitching over some stupid dog and find something really important to get angry over.
I dont know where you get this idea that human life is worth any more than any other life.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7156|Espoo, Finland
That's just sick...

I honestly don't get the people who say something like "So quit bitching over some stupid dog and find something really important to get angry over."
It's like saying that someone who killed 13 people is just fine because someone else killed 14...
Are you trying to sound tough or what is it? Really just makes you look like an idiot.

Edit: I value an individuals life, not a race or species. Though I generally value human life more than animals.

Last edited by Gawwad (2008-04-23 16:48:23)

Spider1980
#1 Commander
+92|7013|Washington

tuckergustav wrote:

So...you guys do know this was a hoax...right?

http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.c … -hoax.html
Figures.. I was wondering why the USA would have even allowed something like that if it was actually the reason for letting an animal die like that.
It's not the American way and I government is not that messed up to allow that kinda shit and other people wouldn't let it happen either.
Volatile
Member
+252|7176|Sextupling in Empire

Hey, those of you that don't like people being cruel to animals and are up in arms: There are people(could be one of your neighbors) that abandon their pets and dump them in the wild, which is a death sentence. Since it sounds like you want to do something about this, find out who they are and hunt them down.

But seriously, those who say that human life is not more valuable than that of an animal need to have a reality check. Take a look around. Everything you have is because of your human brothers and sisters. If you're ever in a situation where you're seriously injured or near death, you'll pray that another human is around to come to your aid.

While this is somewhat disturbing, it is not worthy of the anger and outrage that is displayed here. I take it most of you are sheltered and possibly unaware of actual atrocities being commited around the globe. Divert your energies elsewhere.

Edit: your local animal shelter probably has dozens of animals on death row. Go buy them all and support them.

Last edited by Volatile (2008-04-23 17:30:45)

Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7178
We should start a petition to have the same thing done on him.  Then we can take pictures of him and call it "art".
weerdfoo1
Banned
+26|6636|California

liquidat0r wrote:

That's one of the first online petitions I've actually signed. I normally don't bother, but that really is a disgusting thing to do.
Hakei
Banned
+295|6467

Vilham wrote:

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

I agree, what he is doing is wrong however there are more important things. People make posts about War and Disaster and there is no where near as much out-cry than for some stupid dog thread. I find your concern for some stupid animal more disgusting than what this guy is doing. People are more important than animals, 1 person is more important that 100 animals.

Not only that but all of you do things that contribute to the deaths of animals, eating meat, driving cars, using the PC, eating wheat-products, swatting flies et cetera.

So quit bitching over some stupid dog and find something really important to get angry over.
I dont know where you get this idea that human life is worth any more than any other life.
Yeah, that really does sound cute and I'm sure a few people think that you're really cool with that attitude. What you're saying is if you was to run over a human and actually KILL that human, you would be on the same level of sadness as running over a cat. Humans are the superior race on this planet, they have more power than any other species because we've developed a huge mind and the ability to feel things that no other species can feel, we can learn things that no other animal could learn, and that good sir, makes our lives worth more than any other life.
Brasso
member
+1,549|7102

what the fuck?  cruelty of living things, especially animals we regard as "pets", really pisses me off.

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6403|Somewhere out in Space
in b4 PETA/godwin's law.

Last edited by N00bkilla55404 (2008-04-23 18:08:32)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6918|Chicago, IL
I've heard that this is, in fact, a Hoax, the artist just wanted to show how the suffering (true or false) of a single animal can galvanize more people to the cause than a genocide in some far off country can.
Ryan
Member
+1,230|7315|Alberta, Canada

This isn't even worth responding to.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6624|what

It's worth signing the petition, however.
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N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6403|Somewhere out in Space

TheAussieReaper wrote:

It's worth signing the petition, however.
They dont work my friend.

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