Poll

Would you agree to this policy?

Yes completely. Wish it were not hypothetical.54%54% - 12
No. US has no right to, even if hypothetical.4%4% - 1
Just leave Iraq and we will forgive US of past policy.9%9% - 2
GTFO asshole.31%31% - 7
Total: 22
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina
Disclaimer: this thread was written in retaliation to one posted by Teflon Shadow.  Read the original work http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102093, if you want.

Read the following letter to the citizens of the United States, their allies, and the other nations of the world. Tell me why you agree with the stance of this speaker or why you oppose the US from starting a plan like this.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat in Iraq has been completed.
Since congress and the American people do not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is not complete, but we still should leave.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq this action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict hoping to get a good slice of the cake. This list is short. The United Kingdom , Spain , Bulgaria , Australia , and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains nations that consider this war a huge mistake. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid ceases immediately and indefinitely, even to Israel, so forget 'bout the 6 billion next year, coz we need them at home. The money saved during the first 10 years will hardly pay for the costs of the Iraqi war...

The American people are no longer going to pour money into pther countries until things are fixed at home.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home . On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth, like we did with OBL. And that includes Saudi Arabia. No more soup for you.
Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize?  Come here, and maybe we will invade Iran, just kidding.

I am sending my apologies to France , Germany , and Russia.  You all were right, comrades. And we are not using the veto in the SC to help Israel anymore.

I have instructed to begin towing any vehicle of any politician with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world.

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. You were right too.  My apologies to you dear neighbor.

Mexico is also on List 2.  Apologies. Nevertheless, we need to improve border security.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now, since it only helps the US.

We are tired of the one-way highway. We think we can't continue to undermine other countries sovereignity just because we need their resources. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come.. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, we'll hear any solution you have to the global warming problem, but we need to use our oil in Alaska.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "We should have done this before, I apologize again".

Nearly a century of trying to screw folks from all around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America It is time to eliminate homelessness in America . To the nations on List 1, a final thought. We were wrong about Iraq, and we made you follow us, we are terrible sorry.  Apologies.
To the nations on List 2, a final thought: Apologies.

God bless America Thank you and good night.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-05-29 14:37:08)

13rin
Member
+977|6902
It amazes me how much you hate my country. USA! USA!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

It amazes me how much you hate my country. USA! USA!
Nah, it's just in retaliation to the stupid thread posted before.  I love the USA.  I have family there, and it's the country I visited the most.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky
Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..
I have family there.  I have many friends there.  I've been there about ten times.  And I also watch tv and use internet.  Oh, and this is a joke in retaliation to Teflon and his stupid thread.  I didn't make this, I just changed a few words.  Read his http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102093

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-05-29 13:43:37)

SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6964|Omaha, Nebraska!
GTFO Asshole.

-runs for cover-

Last edited by SoC./Omega (2008-05-29 13:45:02)

S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky

sergeriver wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..
I have family there.  I have many friends there.  I've been there about ten times.  And I also watch tv and use internet.
and.. you don't live here.

I have family in Germany and England.

I've been to Canada more times than I can count.

I have many friends in Canada too.
13rin
Member
+977|6902

sergeriver wrote:

Nah, it's just in retaliation to the stupid thread posted before.  I love the USA.  I have family there, and it's the country I visited the most.
I picked up on the retaliation part, but... Until you mentioned it, I never would have guessed unless you had family in the USA (maybe at Gitmo) <-that was a joke...  Sorry you're so bitter with us though...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7072

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
You think a bunch of people who supported the US presence in Iraq are going to become terrorists because they're sad you guys have left? *facedesk*
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Nah, it's just in retaliation to the stupid thread posted before.  I love the USA.  I have family there, and it's the country I visited the most.
I picked up on the retaliation part, but... Until you mentioned it, I never would have guessed unless you had family in the USA (maybe at Gitmo) <-that was a joke...  Sorry you're so bitter with us though...
I tried to be as short-sighted as Teflon.
SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6964|Omaha, Nebraska!

ghettoperson wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
You think a bunch of people who supported the US presence in Iraq are going to become terrorists because they're sad you guys have left? *facedesk*
I think he was referring to Al Queda gaining strength again, and the Iraqi troops not being able to handle it; and then kaboom, another attack on our soil.
GorillaKing798
Too legit to quit
+48|6538|Tampa, Florida

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
NASA does not waste tax dollars what so ever, and they are extremely productive. I have no problem pulling out of Iraq, however this would need to be done slowly to keep stability in the country, and ending foreign aid, unless this would cause a largely unfavorable situation in our part.

Examples (Qouting from Kmarion, original article http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2 … cs-quorum/)

Let's put this into perspective. (From the experts)

The 2007 NASA budget of $16.3 billion is a minute fraction of the $13 trillion total G.D.P.

Studying humans living in the microgravity of space has expanded our understanding of osteoporosis and balance disorders, and has led to new treatments. Wealth-generating medical devices and instrumentation such as digital mammography and outpatient breast biopsy procedures and the application of telemedicine to emergency care are but a few of the social and economic benefits of manned exploration that we take for granted.

Space exploration is not a drain on the economy; it generates infinitely more than wealth than it spends. Royalties on NASA patents and licenses currently go directly to the U.S. Treasury, not back to NASA.

Observing Earth has provided G.P.S., meteorological forecasts, predictions and management of hurricanes and other natural disasters, and global monitoring of the environment, as well as surveillance and intelligence. Satellite communications have changed life and business practices with computer operations, cell phones, global banking, and TV.

Our ability to explore and sustain human presence there will not only expand Earth’s access to mineral re$ource$ but, should the need arise, provide alternative habitats for humanity’s survival.

It is true that, for every dollar we spend on the space program, the U.S. economy receives about $8 of economic benefit. Space exploration can also serve as a stimulus for children to enter the fields of science and engineering.

Right now, all of America’s human space flight programs cost around $7 billion a year. That’s pennies per person per day. In 2006, according to the USDA, Americans spent more than $154 billion on alcohol. We spend around $10 billion a month in Iraq.

Economic, scientific and technological returns of space exploration have far exceeded the investment. Still, for those who would moan that this money could be “better spent back on Earth,” I would simply say that all of this money is spent on Earth — it creates jobs and provides business to companies, just as any other government program does. You have to spend all of NASA’s money “on Earth.” There is no way to spend it in space — at least, not yet.

Last edited by GorillaKing798 (2008-05-29 13:56:10)

S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky

ghettoperson wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
You think a bunch of people who supported the US presence in Iraq are going to become terrorists because they're sad you guys have left? *facedesk*
Ok.

As of now, the Iraqi good guys are in charge.  If we were to leave the Iraqi good guys wouldn't be incharge.  The Bad guys would be.

The Good guys would be pissed off since they can't make fat stacks of cash, and would love to retaliate. 

Apperently you haven't seen the move "The Siege"   as it would be a plausable scenario.

Also Iraq would become an Anti-USA terrorist training operation. Since we wouldn't have any presence there and the people of Iraq would be left to fend for themselves.


Apperantly you think people who lived their whole lives under a Dictator can somehow survive on their own trying this hip new gig called Democracy.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky
I know I was very broad with my statement of NASA, i'm talking about right now. Yes without NASA alot and I do mean alot of technology would have taken longer to be created, Its just a personal opionon thats all. 

I mean we have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but yet we send a rocket ship into outerspace. I know, I know, there are other things we can do to remedy the situation.

I just feel the lust and glory of space exploration is very tarnished these days.   


Keep in mind this isn't fact, this is what I think and what I believe.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

S3v3N wrote:

I know I was very broad with my statement of NASA, i'm talking about right now. Yes without NASA alot and I do mean alot of technology would have taken longer to be created, Its just a personal opionon thats all. 

I mean we have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but yet we send a rocket ship into outerspace. I know, I know, there are other things we can do to remedy the situation.

I just feel the lust and glory of space exploration is very tarnished these days.   


Keep in mind this isn't fact, this is what I think and what I believe.
You have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but you invade a country 20k miles away just to give 'em freedom?
GorillaKing798
Too legit to quit
+48|6538|Tampa, Florida

S3v3N wrote:

I know I was very broad with my statement of NASA, i'm talking about right now. Yes without NASA alot and I do mean alot of technology would have taken longer to be created, Its just a personal opionon thats all. 

I mean we have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but yet we send a rocket ship into outerspace. I know, I know, there are other things we can do to remedy the situation.

I just feel the lust and glory of space exploration is very tarnished these days.   


Keep in mind this isn't fact, this is what I think and what I believe.
Space exploration has provided medical solutions and an economic boost to the U.S. economy. NASA's budget is minute and actually generates revenue.

You may have people who can't read or write, but NASA is helping these people live longer and is putting money into the economy that may help fund other programs to support these people.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7072

S3v3N wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

Coming from a guy that doesn't live in the US, and only knows of the American way via TV and Inertnet..


Bias aside, I do agree with and would love to see the part of No More foriegn Aid to any country.

But you make no mention of the war in Afghanistan. 

However think about this, if we were to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, just imagine what the Iraqi people on our side will do, since we abonded them, terrorist actions on US soil perhaps.

You forgot one Idea that would be extremely nice to see.  We (USA) need to quit depending on forieng OIL.  We've got enough in the states to last untill we can find a suitable replacement, which needs to happen like yesterday. 

Also, one person item on my list is NASA.  They need to start doing something productive. I feel they are wasting Tax dollars and lots of it.
You think a bunch of people who supported the US presence in Iraq are going to become terrorists because they're sad you guys have left? *facedesk*
Ok.

As of now, the Iraqi good guys are in charge.  If we were to leave the Iraqi good guys wouldn't be incharge.  The Bad guys would be.

The Good guys would be pissed off since they can't make fat stacks of cash, and would love to retaliate. 

Apperently you haven't seen the move "The Siege"   as it would be a plausable scenario.

Also Iraq would become an Anti-USA terrorist training operation. Since we wouldn't have any presence there and the people of Iraq would be left to fend for themselves.


Apperantly you think people who lived their whole lives under a Dictator can somehow survive on their own trying this hip new gig called Democracy.
What the hell are you on about? It's plausible that the 'bad guys' would attack America, however I'm failing to see why the 'good guys' are going to do this. I didn't realise they were making megabucks out of the occupation.

Apparently you base too much of real life on movies.
GorillaKing798
Too legit to quit
+48|6538|Tampa, Florida

ghettoperson wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

You think a bunch of people who supported the US presence in Iraq are going to become terrorists because they're sad you guys have left? *facedesk*
Ok.

As of now, the Iraqi good guys are in charge.  If we were to leave the Iraqi good guys wouldn't be incharge.  The Bad guys would be.

The Good guys would be pissed off since they can't make fat stacks of cash, and would love to retaliate. 

Apperently you haven't seen the move "The Siege"   as it would be a plausable scenario.

Also Iraq would become an Anti-USA terrorist training operation. Since we wouldn't have any presence there and the people of Iraq would be left to fend for themselves.


Apperantly you think people who lived their whole lives under a Dictator can somehow survive on their own trying this hip new gig called Democracy.
What the hell are you on about? It's plausible that the 'bad guys' would attack America, however I'm failing to see why the 'good guys' are going to do this. I didn't realise they were making megabucks out of the occupation.

Apparently you base too much of real life on movies.
In my opinion it would just add more to our tarnished reputation. "Iraqi soldiers abandoned by the US" would be what all the press would be screaming. I could see how this could make some of them turn on us and join the fight against us if they were overthrown. They would blame the deaths of their friends on the US and possibly contribute to terror organizations.

Last edited by GorillaKing798 (2008-05-29 14:14:52)

d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6876|Ontario, Canada
All 20 of our Canadians tanks are fighting strong in Afghanistan!!
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky

sergeriver wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

I know I was very broad with my statement of NASA, i'm talking about right now. Yes without NASA alot and I do mean alot of technology would have taken longer to be created, Its just a personal opionon thats all. 

I mean we have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but yet we send a rocket ship into outerspace. I know, I know, there are other things we can do to remedy the situation.

I just feel the lust and glory of space exploration is very tarnished these days.   


Keep in mind this isn't fact, this is what I think and what I believe.
You have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but you invade a country 20k miles away just to give 'em freedom?
I don't agree with it Either, I went over their twice to occupy that country, just so greedy bastards can get rich on the blood of my brothers and sisters.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky

GorillaKing798 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

S3v3N wrote:


Ok.

As of now, the Iraqi good guys are in charge.  If we were to leave the Iraqi good guys wouldn't be incharge.  The Bad guys would be.

The Good guys would be pissed off since they can't make fat stacks of cash, and would love to retaliate. 

Apperently you haven't seen the move "The Siege"   as it would be a plausable scenario.

Also Iraq would become an Anti-USA terrorist training operation. Since we wouldn't have any presence there and the people of Iraq would be left to fend for themselves.


Apperantly you think people who lived their whole lives under a Dictator can somehow survive on their own trying this hip new gig called Democracy.
What the hell are you on about? It's plausible that the 'bad guys' would attack America, however I'm failing to see why the 'good guys' are going to do this. I didn't realise they were making megabucks out of the occupation.

Apparently you base too much of real life on movies.
In my opinion it would just add more to our tarnished reputation. "Iraqi soldiers abandoned by the US" would be what all the press would be screaming. I could see how this could make some of them turn on us and join the fight against us if they were overthrown. They would blame the deaths of their friends on the US and possibly contribute to terror organizations.
The Iraqi men on the US side would be fucked if we left, since the extremists would view them as traitors to their cause. Join or Die?

Its just a scenario that could hypthetically happen.
GR34
Member
+215|6968|ALBERTA> CANADA
America can keep fucking with every one tell they get that asses kicked for all I care. I want Canada and the UK and all other NATO nations to GTFO of there

Last edited by GR34 (2008-05-29 14:30:54)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

S3v3N wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

I know I was very broad with my statement of NASA, i'm talking about right now. Yes without NASA alot and I do mean alot of technology would have taken longer to be created, Its just a personal opionon thats all. 

I mean we have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but yet we send a rocket ship into outerspace. I know, I know, there are other things we can do to remedy the situation.

I just feel the lust and glory of space exploration is very tarnished these days.   


Keep in mind this isn't fact, this is what I think and what I believe.
You have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but you invade a country 20k miles away just to give 'em freedom?
I don't agree with it Either, I went over their twice to occupy that country, just so greedy bastards can get rich on the blood of my brothers and sisters.
Good post.  When you say I you mean the US or actually you?
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6941|Montucky

sergeriver wrote:

S3v3N wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


You have people that can't read nor write, people that can't afford to put food on the table but you invade a country 20k miles away just to give 'em freedom?
I don't agree with it Either, I went over their twice to occupy that country, just so greedy bastards can get rich on the blood of my brothers and sisters.
Good post.  When you say I you mean the US or actually you?
ME. I did two tours over there.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

S3v3N wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

S3v3N wrote:


I don't agree with it Either, I went over their twice to occupy that country, just so greedy bastards can get rich on the blood of my brothers and sisters.
Good post.  When you say I you mean the US or actually you?
ME. I did two tours over there.
My respect to you.

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