Does drawing a picture of a certain prophet come under this banner?CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
Hate speech is not free speech
Radical islam is hate speech, hence not free speech.
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So if the Buddhists, Christfags, Jews, Hindus, Etc etc. Have no right to be offended by your groups parodies of their prophets and holy figures? Shouldn't your group?m3thod wrote:
Does drawing a picture of a certain prophet come under this banner?CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
Hate speech is not free speech
Radical islam is hate speech, hence not free speech.
Everyone has the right. My point is to muslims drawing pictures of their prophet was hate. So therefore, using cap spauld reasoning was not free speech. There, hope that clears it up.David.P wrote:
So if the Buddhists, Christfags, Jews, Hindus, Etc etc. Have no right to be offended by your groups parodies of their prophets and holy figures? Shouldn't your group?m3thod wrote:
Does drawing a picture of a certain prophet come under this banner?CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
Hate speech is not free speech
Radical islam is hate speech, hence not free speech.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Things have a way of naturally working themselves out, especially in NC.
You mean the WBC? Do you not see the difference? The WBC is small and hated by almost all other sects of Christianity. Last time they protested a gang of bikers were going to beat the shit out of them and the cops had to protect them! There are only 100 members of the WBC tops. They are small and insignificant, they don't have the power of the majority of their religion, Where as the Muslim protesters numbered in the 1000's, 10,000's, Hell even 50'000! But yet i Keep hearing Islamic extremists are only 1-2% of the general Muslim population. Really? Fucking Really? Yet the same media also reports the WBC as "Inspiring Millions of Christians" Yet i have not seen one WBC supporter on the street yelling at the top of their voice, "God hates Fags" "All soldiers should die" "Convert or Die!" Etc etc. But the From the latter I have heard various things of those sorts. It's funny though...ZombieVampire! wrote:
David: You do know there are white, Christian Americans who support the death of troops as punishment for gays?
And doctored photos hardly help your case.
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AHAHAHAHAHA! You always jump to defend them Poseidon. Why? Don't tell me it's cause for your Muslim stepmother's sake. Why do you really do it? You can't have any reasons to defend the belief's of an entire group based on your feelings towards one person.Poseidon wrote:
QFT.
There are plenty of Christian hate sites on the internet as well (like I dunno.... www.godhatesfags.com perhaps?), but David is so filled with hate and has his horse blinders so tightly on that he can't see that. Shame.
Method - i see where you are coming from in that Islam views those pictures as extremely offensive. However, i believe it also has to do with the degree of actual and perceived violence that the speech advocates.
eg: Somebody can paint a picture of Christ immersed in piss, print 'Jesus is my homeboy' t-shirts, etc and most Christians just view this as extremely bad taste and think that the person doing this is just after attention and/or needs help. We (i happen to be Christian) are not calling for the death of these people. Palestinians occupying the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem purportedly used the Bible as toilet paper, but that's ok. i guess they were expressing themselves. But again, i'm not really offended by this stuff. What offends me is the cave man mentality that these radicals have such that if you do/say anything that even slightly provokes Islam, they call for your head to be chopped off. Get a frigging grip.
this is a slippery slope. who's to say they won't make a rule that if you fart in the direction of mecca, that you should be killed. PFFFT. smell the love?
So i'm probably not making a good argument here, but in my mind, a picture of Mohammed is nothing compared to video of people chopping heads off in name of religion and encouraging others to do the same, recruiting terror, incicting violence, etc. This is not free speech in my opinion.
printing pictures of that prophet makes matters worse so i don't think they should have done this. it's a bad taste issue in my book. i don't go round drawing pictures of crap like that. just makes people pissed off. we need people to get along better rather than find ways to be divided.
eg: Somebody can paint a picture of Christ immersed in piss, print 'Jesus is my homeboy' t-shirts, etc and most Christians just view this as extremely bad taste and think that the person doing this is just after attention and/or needs help. We (i happen to be Christian) are not calling for the death of these people. Palestinians occupying the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem purportedly used the Bible as toilet paper, but that's ok. i guess they were expressing themselves. But again, i'm not really offended by this stuff. What offends me is the cave man mentality that these radicals have such that if you do/say anything that even slightly provokes Islam, they call for your head to be chopped off. Get a frigging grip.
this is a slippery slope. who's to say they won't make a rule that if you fart in the direction of mecca, that you should be killed. PFFFT. smell the love?
So i'm probably not making a good argument here, but in my mind, a picture of Mohammed is nothing compared to video of people chopping heads off in name of religion and encouraging others to do the same, recruiting terror, incicting violence, etc. This is not free speech in my opinion.
printing pictures of that prophet makes matters worse so i don't think they should have done this. it's a bad taste issue in my book. i don't go round drawing pictures of crap like that. just makes people pissed off. we need people to get along better rather than find ways to be divided.
I make fun of Islam a lot, but even I'll agree with method that the hate speech argument isn't good for anyone who supports freedom of speech.
I may despise what this guy is preaching on his website, but I don't have the right to censor him.
If anything, look at it this way... It's better that his hate is out in the open, so that we can keep an eye on him. I'd rather groups like Islamists and Neo-Nazies be out in the open so that we are aware of who they are.
For the most part, American society affords you the right to say what you want, but the government reserves the right to watch you if you exhibit extremist behavior (and for good reason).
I may despise what this guy is preaching on his website, but I don't have the right to censor him.
If anything, look at it this way... It's better that his hate is out in the open, so that we can keep an eye on him. I'd rather groups like Islamists and Neo-Nazies be out in the open so that we are aware of who they are.
For the most part, American society affords you the right to say what you want, but the government reserves the right to watch you if you exhibit extremist behavior (and for good reason).
so in your mind if someone puts up a site that calls for Obama to be assassinated, and gives people information about where he will be, what to do, encourages people to try this themselves, that we should just let the govt 'do it's job' and be in reaction mode?Turquoise wrote:
I make fun of Islam a lot, but even I'll agree with method that the hate speech argument isn't good for anyone who supports freedom of speech.
I may despise what this guy is preaching on his website, but I don't have the right to censor him.
If anything, look at it this way... It's better that his hate is out in the open, so that we can keep an eye on him. I'd rather groups like Islamists and Neo-Nazies be out in the open so that we are aware of who they are.
For the most part, American society affords you the right to say what you want, but the government reserves the right to watch you if you exhibit extremist behavior (and for good reason).
if i ran into a movie theater and yelled 'fire', is that free speech? in fact it is not. this is inciting public unrest. i claim that calling for death of people, inciting others to act (the lawyers will have to prove this), etc is just this - hate speech and is not protected
i agree that it's great to have them in the open, but when there are tons of these out there, they are exposing many many people to this crap. unstable people. manipulatable people. radical islam is hands down winning the PR and media battle here. it's time that we throw out that PC crap and call it like it is. it's hate speech and should be shut down. they are using our own sensitivities and touchy-feely Kumba-yah shit against us. let's get with the program and do what needs to be done. deport dear ole sammy - AND his family
If someone did that, they'd be breaking other laws already in place. If this Muslim extremist is doing something like that, then he actually can be imprisoned.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
so in your mind if someone puts up a site that calls for Obama to be assassinated, and gives people information about where he will be, what to do, encourages people to try this themselves, that we should just let the govt 'do it's job' and be in reaction mode?
This all depends on what exactly he's saying. If he's providing personal or sensitive information, then yes, he can be prosecuted. If he is declaring that he will kill people, that will also get him imprisoned. Again, these are all covered by other laws already in place.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
if i ran into a movie theater and yelled 'fire', is that free speech? in fact it is not. this is inciting public unrest. i claim that calling for death of people, inciting others to act (the lawyers will have to prove this), etc is just this - hate speech and is not protected
Um... what gives you that idea? If anything, radical Islam is losing ground in most of the world. In Pakistan, the majority is actually starting to stand up and fight back extremism with a voice of moderation.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
i agree that it's great to have them in the open, but when there are tons of these out there, they are exposing many many people to this crap. unstable people. manipulatable people. radical islam is hands down winning the PR and media battle here. it's time that we throw out that PC crap and call it like it is. it's hate speech and should be shut down. they are using our own sensitivities and touchy-feely Kumba-yah shit against us. let's get with the program and do what needs to be done. deport dear ole sammy - AND his family
Extremism certainly isn't gaining ground here either, unless you think a very small group of people counts as significant.
We should count ourselves lucky that most Muslims in America are reformists or liberal (as in favoring Western values). There aren't many orthodox Muslims here, and why would they want to be here anyway? We're all liberals compared to the Islamists.
WBC are only one example. There are plenty of others, including many supporters of Israel. And if all Muslims wanted the West dead, then believe me, it'd be over already. They outnumber us by more than 2 to 1.David.P wrote:
You mean the WBC? Do you not see the difference? The WBC is small and hated by almost all other sects of Christianity. Last time they protested a gang of bikers were going to beat the shit out of them and the cops had to protect them! There are only 100 members of the WBC tops. They are small and insignificant, they don't have the power of the majority of their religion, Where as the Muslim protesters numbered in the 1000's, 10,000's, Hell even 50'000! But yet i Keep hearing Islamic extremists are only 1-2% of the general Muslim population. Really? Fucking Really? Yet the same media also reports the WBC as "Inspiring Millions of Christians" Yet i have not seen one WBC supporter on the street yelling at the top of their voice, "God hates Fags" "All soldiers should die" "Convert or Die!" Etc etc. But the From the latter I have heard various things of those sorts. It's funny though...ZombieVampire! wrote:
David: You do know there are white, Christian Americans who support the death of troops as punishment for gays?
And doctored photos hardly help your case.
Your point?
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