Could be very true, but, does that always necessarily excuse the killing of a not very innocent 10 year old over the killing of a kitty cat?Poseidon wrote:
It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
Dude, you really need to watch some nature specials.Poseidon wrote:
Animals run on instincts. When they kill, they kill for survival and food.
Animals kill for fun all of the time.
Never said that anywhere.HurricaИe wrote:
Could be very true, but, does that always necessarily excuse the killing of a not very innocent 10 year old over the killing of a kitty cat?Poseidon wrote:
It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
3 people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.HurricaИe wrote:
Could be very true, but, does that always necessarily excuse the killing of a not very innocent 10 year old over the killing of a kitty cat?Poseidon wrote:
It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
it depends on the circumstance. Were these 3 people the scum of the earth? The dogs. Where these 3 people some little kids? A random family? My friends? Then the three people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.HurricaИe wrote:
Could be very true, but, does that always necessarily excuse the killing of a not very innocent 10 year old over the killing of a kitty cat?Poseidon wrote:
It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.HurricaИe wrote:
Could be very true, but, does that always necessarily excuse the killing of a not very innocent 10 year old over the killing of a kitty cat?
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
Indeed.Bert10099 wrote:
Good.
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If they aren't innocent, it doesn't make them evil, or bad. We humans are gifted with the ability to be aware of ourselves, and have great thinking capacity and morales. We lose sight of what is right sometimes and it will result in a slip up and if that makes us lose our innocence, i dont really care. I don't think innocence can decide whether a puppy should die over a human, or that it has less of a reason to die. A human has much more to offer, a puppy is a puppy, an animal, it is very limited. I like puppies as much as the next person but humans > puppies.Poseidon wrote:
You really need me to define what's "bad", Slinger?God Save the Queen wrote:
what is bad?
Anything malicious, no matter what it may be. It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
It's the same logic as to why someone would save an infant before they would save an adult. Infants are innocent.
Yeah, upsetting.Poseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
But those 3 people have families, friends, lives ahead of them, etc.
What would that dog have gained from not being burned alive?
Poseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
Fisrt thought.Poseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.Poseidon wrote:
Never said that anywhere.
In that case, human life is more valuable. It always is. I'm simply saying, people care more about when animals get killed because animals are innocent.
Tell the truth. Are you going to get more upset if you hear that a truckful of dogs was set on fire by some freak or if 3 people were murdered?
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
http://www.nbc6.net/news/13735379/detail.html
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I'm not saying we should value a puppy's life over a human's just because the puppy is innocent. I mean sure, if that person is a mass murderer, I'll save the puppy instead. All I'm saying is the reason that people (including myself) tend to care more when they hear about a puppy or animal being hurt is because animals as a whole are innocent. Humans as a whole have proven that they're not.Canadianloser wrote:
If they aren't innocent, it doesn't make them evil, or bad. We humans are gifted with the ability to be aware of ourselves, and have great thinking capacity and morales. We lose sight of what is right sometimes and it will result in a slip up and if that makes us lose our innocence, i dont really care. I don't think innocence can decide whether a puppy should die over a human, or that it has less of a reason to die. A human has much more to offer, a puppy is a puppy, an animal, it is very limited. I like puppies as much as the next person but humans > puppies.Poseidon wrote:
You really need me to define what's "bad", Slinger?God Save the Queen wrote:
what is bad?
Anything malicious, no matter what it may be. It's very, VERY rare you'll find a person or even a 10 year old who's truly "innocent" and has never done wrong in their life, has never used someone else to get their kicks, etc.
It's the same logic as to why someone would save an infant before they would save an adult. Infants are innocent.
Personally, innocent to me is being, essentially, amoral + not knowing what's right and wrong (because someone's set of morals may be completely different from another's). An animal may hunt for food, and it may also hunt for fun, but if it knows that something it did was wrong, it's no longer quite innocent IMO.
Yes, it's sad video; animal cruelty isn't really my cup of tea, but who am I to say that - I love to eat meat. But really, although what the marine did (or didn't do if the movie is indeed fake) was of bad taste, I'm not going to go into a rage about this. Did I feel sorry for it? Yeah, but when I think of all the other people living in shit conditions, or dying from whatever, it's not such a big deal in my mind (I mean, there are people in Haiti eating cookies for their meals... made of clay and dirt; I think they're more important than some dead puppy however tragic).
I think it's good that the marine got reprimanded though. Partially because (again) his actions were in bad taste, and also because of the negative attention the MC might get from not punishing him.
Yes, it's sad video; animal cruelty isn't really my cup of tea, but who am I to say that - I love to eat meat. But really, although what the marine did (or didn't do if the movie is indeed fake) was of bad taste, I'm not going to go into a rage about this. Did I feel sorry for it? Yeah, but when I think of all the other people living in shit conditions, or dying from whatever, it's not such a big deal in my mind (I mean, there are people in Haiti eating cookies for their meals... made of clay and dirt; I think they're more important than some dead puppy however tragic).
I think it's good that the marine got reprimanded though. Partially because (again) his actions were in bad taste, and also because of the negative attention the MC might get from not punishing him.
indeed dogs have done great things and have value, it is just uncomparable to humans in general. sure i'd rather have a puppy who saves a babies life alive than a terrorist, but in general.Kmarion wrote:
Fisrt thought.Poseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
http://www.nbc6.net/news/13735379/detail.html
I fail to see the point of that, Slinger. I find it especially ironic that you posted a German Shepherd considering they've probably saved countless lives of people in the police force in a little program called, oh, I dunno, K-9?God Save the Queen wrote:
http://data1.blog.de/blog/p/poemsandpro … arling.jpgPoseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.Miggle wrote:
3 people.
Dogs will never do anything useful in their life.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
they were also used at nazi death camps.
his point is, it can go either way. at least i think that is his pointPoseidon wrote:
I fail to see the point of that, Slinger. I find it especially ironic that you posted a German Shepherd considering they've probably saved countless lives of people in the police force in a little program called, oh, I dunno, K-9?God Save the Queen wrote:
http://data1.blog.de/blog/p/poemsandpro … arling.jpgPoseidon wrote:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've heard all week.
http://www.dogheroesof911.com/iframeima … 26_big.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawGod Save the Queen wrote:
they were also used at nazi death camps.
They also didn't know what they were being used for. The people there knew ALL too well what they were doing and got joy off of it.
I find it even funnier that K-9's and other dogs in the military have probably helped you on countless occasions.
was the dog thrown into the cliff a german shepherd?Poseidon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawGod Save the Queen wrote:
they were also used at nazi death camps.
They also didn't know what they were being used for. The people there knew ALL too well what they were doing and got joy off of it.
I find it even funnier that K-9's and other dogs in the military have probably helped you on countless occasions.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't.
Poseidon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawGod Save the Queen wrote:
they were also used at nazi death camps.
They also didn't know what they were being used for. The people there knew ALL too well what they were doing and got joy off of it.
I find it even funnier that K-9's and other dogs in the military have probably helped you on countless occasions.
Im sure the detainee doesnt think dogs are innocent.
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You're making absolutely no sense with your pictures, Slinger. None at all.God Save the Queen wrote:
http://photos.signonsandiego.com/galler … es/dog.jpgPoseidon wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawGod Save the Queen wrote:
they were also used at nazi death camps.
They also didn't know what they were being used for. The people there knew ALL too well what they were doing and got joy off of it.
I find it even funnier that K-9's and other dogs in the military have probably helped you on countless occasions.
Does the phrase "They also didn't know what they were being used for, the people there knew ALL too well what they were doing and got joy off of it" ring a bell to you? Perhaps because I JUST said it?
They were TRAINED TO DO THAT. It's just like pitbulls. They're the nicest dogs in the world but everyone thinks they're vicious because some people TRAIN THEM TO FIGHT. And even after, they can be rehabilitated.
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Trained to obey orders and attack. Sounds a lot like the rest of our military to me. Correct me if I'm wrong.Poseidon wrote:
They were TRAINED TO DO THAT. It's just like pitbulls. They're the nicest dogs in the world but everyone thinks they're vicious because some people TRAIN THEM TO FIGHT. And even after, they can be rehabilitated.
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you need to quit giving personalities to stupid animals. plain and simple. I already know you know who iam, saying slinger everytime you address me isnt necessary. especially since youre quoting me.
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This is kinda D&ST stuff
What reasoning did the marines have for throwing a dog of a cliff?
What reasoning did the marines have for throwing a dog of a cliff?
You really don't think animals have personalities?God Save the Queen wrote:
you need to quit giving personalities to stupid animals. plain and simple. I already know you know who iam, saying slinger everytime you address me isnt necessary. especially since youre quoting me.
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