belldawg
Serial Jay-Walker
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God Save the Queen wrote:

different than shooting a dog walking down the road for no reason?
Shooting a dog for no reason is just as bad
Volatile
Member
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God Save the Queen wrote:

while youre at it, better start kicking 90% of the United States Army infantry out of the military
Hopefully people stop enlisting. Then we can have a draft.

The armchair critics can then lead the way with their moral superiority.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

yes.  its the norm. most patrols ive been on, dogs were shot and killed for no reason whenever they were spotted.  sorry to say it.  its the truth.  thats why all this crying about a puppy being thrown off a cliff is pretty damn funny when I think about all the dogs that ive seen shot.
One man's experience. You know if you keep tossing your service out every other post you are going to throw your shoulder out. Lot's of us have friends and family who have served. Some of them a lot longer than you. To say we don't support the troops because we think this guy is an asshole is absurd.. really.

@ Flaming , yes I do .
my service is the exact reason I get my perspective and my frustration. If i wasnt going to discuss my experiences in iraq during OIF II, why else would I post in this thread????
That's fine. You started telling us how we should feel.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7177|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

yes.  its the norm. most patrols ive been on, dogs were shot and killed for no reason whenever they were spotted.  sorry to say it.  its the truth.  thats why all this crying about a puppy being thrown off a cliff is pretty damn funny when I think about all the dogs that ive seen shot.
One man's experience. You know if you keep tossing your service out every other post you are going to throw your shoulder out. Lot's of us have friends and family who have served. Some of them a lot longer than you. To say we don't support the troops because we think this guy is an asshole is absurd.. really.

@ Flaming , yes I do .
Do you think they really tell you about everything they have seen and done?

Seriously...it's a bunch of men away from home with big guns, told to kill people and avoid getting killed. Things get real fundamental real fast with those kinds of conditions, and I seriously doubt there is much difference from one person to another in those situations.

It's real easy to say you support our troops and stick yellow ribbons on your car...but as soon as relatively minor situations come up, people aren't so supportive. I mean seriously, the guy in the video could have been killed in an IED the next day.

DefCon-17 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

I do agree we are the dominant species, but that's no reason for anyone to write other life off as "stupid".

Besides, the only reason we are dominant is our intelligence.

We aren't shit without technology.
but we do have technology, and that is why other animals are stupid. I don't mean stupid as in worthless, I mean stupid as in animalistic, lacking in intelligence.

Because we are relatively weak, animals must always be respected for their physical dominance. You don't underestimate an animal, even a tame one, for what it can do.
Well sure, but that's based on comparison.

Maybe there is some alien race that makes us look like idiots.

..Technology wise, that is.
The human race is pretty idiotic in general.
Yeah, relative to dogs, we are superior. It doesn't make us smart, it just makes us smarter than them.
God Save the Queen
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and I never said you dont support the troops.  I said, if you are going to be happy about this guy getting kicked out, you should try to get the 90% of combat troops that Ive seen, worked with and talked to as well.   This isnt just one man's experience kerry.  I recently talked to a sheriffs deputy who just got back from iraq and the first thing his partner said he did (jokingly) was "all you did was kill dogs"  which led me to believe his experiences must have been similiar to mine.  this is just recently, every other vet ive talked to, especially the ones I still serve with would agree with me.
belldawg
Serial Jay-Walker
+52|6454|Perth, indian ocean
God Save the Queen do you shoot dogs when out on patrol?
*Not having a go, just asking an honest question*
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

yes.  its the norm. most patrols ive been on, dogs were shot and killed for no reason whenever they were spotted.  sorry to say it.  its the truth.  thats why all this crying about a puppy being thrown off a cliff is pretty damn funny when I think about all the dogs that ive seen shot.
One man's experience. You know if you keep tossing your service out every other post you are going to throw your shoulder out. Lot's of us have friends and family who have served. Some of them a lot longer than you. To say we don't support the troops because we think this guy is an asshole is absurd.. really.

@ Flaming , yes I do .
Do you think they really tell you about everything they have seen and done?

Seriously...it's a bunch of men away from home with big guns, told to kill people and avoid getting killed. Things get real fundamental real fast with those kinds of conditions, and I seriously doubt there is much difference from one person to another in those situations.

It's real easy to say you support our troops and stick yellow ribbons on your car...but as soon as relatively minor situations come up, people aren't so supportive. I mean seriously, the guy in the video could have been killed in an IED the next day.
No shit? You presume to know how I feel and what I done to support our veterans. Wtf do you really know about me? Weak argument this time FM. I have my opinion on animal abuse. Stop pushing this ridiculous idea that the only way you can support the troops is to accept everything they do (individually) unconditionally.
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Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

yes.  its the norm. most patrols ive been on, dogs were shot and killed for no reason whenever they were spotted.  sorry to say it.  its the truth.  thats why all this crying about a puppy being thrown off a cliff is pretty damn funny when I think about all the dogs that ive seen shot.
One man's experience.
People I know that have served over there would confirm what GS has said. This is a common occurrence.
God Save the Queen
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belldawg wrote:

God Save the Queen do you shoot dogs when out on patrol?
*Not having a go, just asking an honest question*
Ive shot at a dog once, at night.  I missed.

and I love dogs.  Iraq's a motherfucker

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-06-12 20:59:35)

belldawg
Serial Jay-Walker
+52|6454|Perth, indian ocean

God Save the Queen wrote:

belldawg wrote:

God Save the Queen do you shoot dogs when out on patrol?
*Not having a go, just asking an honest question*
Ive shot at a dog once, at night.  I missed.
Alright, just wondering
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:

and I never said you dont support the troops.  I said, if you are going to be happy about this guy getting kicked out, you should try to get the 90% of combat troops that Ive seen, worked with and talked to as well.   This isnt just one man's experience kerry.  I recently talked to a sheriffs deputy who just got back from iraq and the first thing his partner said he did (jokingly) was "all you did was kill dogs"  which led me to believe his experiences must have been similiar to mine.  this is just recently, every other vet ive talked to, especially the ones I still serve with would agree with me.
So unless I support the killing of puppies I can't support the troops and their mission? There are large gaps in logic that I can't ignore here.
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God Save the Queen
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why are you getting that I say you dont support the troops?  Im not saying that at all.  Im trying hard to point how im not saying that and you are still drawing that conclusion. 


if you think a member of the military should be discharged for animal abuse, then you would be shocked at how many people you think should be discharged.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7177|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


One man's experience. You know if you keep tossing your service out every other post you are going to throw your shoulder out. Lot's of us have friends and family who have served. Some of them a lot longer than you. To say we don't support the troops because we think this guy is an asshole is absurd.. really.

@ Flaming , yes I do .
Do you think they really tell you about everything they have seen and done?

Seriously...it's a bunch of men away from home with big guns, told to kill people and avoid getting killed. Things get real fundamental real fast with those kinds of conditions, and I seriously doubt there is much difference from one person to another in those situations.

It's real easy to say you support our troops and stick yellow ribbons on your car...but as soon as relatively minor situations come up, people aren't so supportive. I mean seriously, the guy in the video could have been killed in an IED the next day.
No shit? You presume to know how I feel and what I done to support our veterans. Wtf do you really know about me? Weak argument this time FM. I have my opinion on animal abuse. Stop pushing this ridiculous idea that the only way you can support the troops is to accept everything they do (individually) unconditionally.
I don't want you to support anything they do unconditionally. I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:

why are you getting that I say you dont support the troops?  Im not saying that at all.  Im trying hard to point how im not saying that and you are still drawing that conclusion. 


if you think a member of the military should be discharged for animal abuse, then you would be shocked at how many people you think should be discharged.
It's the either or idea I'm challenging. You said that if this upsets you, you had "better start taking back all your support".
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God Save the Queen
Banned
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in that case, I rescind that statement and replace it with the last sentence of my post prior to this.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Do you think they really tell you about everything they have seen and done?

Seriously...it's a bunch of men away from home with big guns, told to kill people and avoid getting killed. Things get real fundamental real fast with those kinds of conditions, and I seriously doubt there is much difference from one person to another in those situations.

It's real easy to say you support our troops and stick yellow ribbons on your car...but as soon as relatively minor situations come up, people aren't so supportive. I mean seriously, the guy in the video could have been killed in an IED the next day.
No shit? You presume to know how I feel and what I done to support our veterans. Wtf do you really know about me? Weak argument this time FM. I have my opinion on animal abuse. Stop pushing this ridiculous idea that the only way you can support the troops is to accept everything they do (individually) unconditionally.
I don't want you to support anything they do unconditionally. I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
I do.. actually if you go back and read through the original thread you will see me talking about reserving judgment. The situation has changed (OP).
It's kinda ironic that I am listening to Phil Hendrie interviewing Micheal Yon right now. They are talking about all the good work our troops are doing. If anyone is interested in it I'll post it.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7177|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


No shit? You presume to know how I feel and what I done to support our veterans. Wtf do you really know about me? Weak argument this time FM. I have my opinion on animal abuse. Stop pushing this ridiculous idea that the only way you can support the troops is to accept everything they do (individually) unconditionally.
I don't want you to support anything they do unconditionally. I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
I do.. actually if you go back and read through the original thread you will see me talking about reserving judgment. The situation has changed (OP).
It's kinda ironic that I am listening to Phil Hendrie interviewing Micheal Yon right now. They are talking about all the good work our troops are doing. If anyone is interested in it I'll post it.

Kmarion wrote:

Bert10099 wrote:

Good.
Indeed.
You call that reserving judgement? Doesn't really matter what you posted before...why did you post that here?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Again, the situation has changed. So yes it does matter what I said prior to the Marine Corps investigation. Nice try, swing and a miss.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7177|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Again, the situation has changed. So yes it does matter what I said prior to the Marine Corps investigation. Nice try, swing and a miss.
So, the difference to you was someone proving that yes, a marine actually threw a puppy off a cliff? That was the deciding factor, proving the video wasn't a fake?

You still aren't giving the soldier any benefit of the doubt.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Again, the situation has changed. So yes it does matter what I said prior to the Marine Corps investigation. Nice try, swing and a miss.
So, the difference to you was someone proving that yes, a marine actually threw a puppy off a cliff? That was the deciding factor, proving the video wasn't a fake?

You still aren't giving the soldier any benefit of the doubt.
To the original point you were trying to make.
I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
I didn't pass judgement based on what I saw in a 30 sec youtube video. I placed my faith in the ruling by the Marines after they did their investigation. I would presume that this was more than watching a youtube clip.

I gave my benefit of the doubt beforehand.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7177|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Again, the situation has changed. So yes it does matter what I said prior to the Marine Corps investigation. Nice try, swing and a miss.
So, the difference to you was someone proving that yes, a marine actually threw a puppy off a cliff? That was the deciding factor, proving the video wasn't a fake?

You still aren't giving the soldier any benefit of the doubt.
To the original point you were trying to make.
I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
I didn't pass judgement based on what I saw in a 30 sec youtube video. I placed my faith in the ruling by the Marines after they did their investigation. I would presume that this was more than watching a youtube clip.
You would presume...you don't know. They would have hung him out to dry even if he did very little wrong to be honest because this has already gotten so much bad media. Don't be such a sheep.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

So, the difference to you was someone proving that yes, a marine actually threw a puppy off a cliff? That was the deciding factor, proving the video wasn't a fake?

You still aren't giving the soldier any benefit of the doubt.
To the original point you were trying to make.
I do want to see some benefit of the doubt we the most we have of the back story is 30 seconds of video.
I didn't pass judgement based on what I saw in a 30 sec youtube video. I placed my faith in the ruling by the Marines after they did their investigation. I would presume that this was more than watching a youtube clip.
You would presume...you don't know. They would have hung him out to dry even if he did very little wrong to be honest because this has already gotten so much bad media. Don't be such a sheep.
Whats the matter? Don't you support the Marine Corps? Your making your own presumptions on what they would have done at this very moment.. sheep lol.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6601|North Tonawanda, NY

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

You would presume...you don't know. They would have hung him out to dry even if he did very little wrong to be honest because this has already gotten so much bad media. Don't be such a sheep.
Before you start doing that, do you have any reason to believe what you just claimed?
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6814|tropical regions of london
precedence
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7071|132 and Bush

Kmarion wrote:

It's kinda ironic that I am listening to Phil Hendrie interviewing Micheal Yon right now. They are talking about all the good work our troops are doing. If anyone is interested in it I'll post it.
Micheal-yon
Ya know.. if anyone is interested.

SenorToenails wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

You would presume...you don't know. They would have hung him out to dry even if he did very little wrong to be honest because this has already gotten so much bad media. Don't be such a sheep.
Before you start doing that, do you have any reason to believe what you just claimed?
I've got some to the contrary if you want.
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